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Jamesrichards8 Flag 21 Oct 15 7.16am Send a Private Message to Jamesrichards8 Add Jamesrichards8 as a friend

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racism, police brutality or gun crime, those are the issues that are beyond repair and that's what's broken with America.


Actually, those are the visible symptoms but not the cause of what's broken with America. Thus, addressing the symptoms won't solve the underlying problem. You could introduce gun control tomorrow and it would be a good thing, but America would still be America and it's mentality would still be what it is today. The underlying problems run far deeper and it would require a thesis to even begin to get to grips with them. I lived there (Chicago, DC) for a decade so I have at least a superficial understanding based on first-hard experience; all I will say is that what's wrong is deeply ingrained and it will take as long to change America (generations) as it has taken for it to become what it is now.

Nothing, however, is beyond repair.


I can't say I've ever heard you post something that wasn't completely unfounded and unsubstantiated. You're talking about what's wrong with America without ever actually saying what it is. Honestly you're completely full of s***e.

He posted from the perspective as someone who lived there. The gun point is fair, as several countries have high gun ownership but without the relentless death count so essentially it is a symptom of the culture. He acknowledged that are complex reasons why. Not everything can be explained in a soundbite or an easy answer. If you don't like his perfectly reasonable post wouldn't it be better to move on rather than angering yourself and swearing at people?

Edited by oldcodger (21 Oct 2015 12.07am)

Reasonable post? He didn't begin to say anything at all! It's just a bunch of stereotype filled anti American nonsense

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (21 Oct 2015 7.17am)

 


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oldcodger Flag 21 Oct 15 7.51am Send a Private Message to oldcodger Add oldcodger as a friend

Quote Jamesrichards8 at 21 Oct 2015 7.16am

Quote oldcodger at 21 Oct 2015 12.06am

Quote Jamesrichards8 at 20 Oct 2015 11.41pm

Quote sydtheeagle at 20 Oct 2015 3.56pm

Quote coulsdoneagle at 20 Oct 2015 3.44pm

racism, police brutality or gun crime, those are the issues that are beyond repair and that's what's broken with America.


Actually, those are the visible symptoms but not the cause of what's broken with America. Thus, addressing the symptoms won't solve the underlying problem. You could introduce gun control tomorrow and it would be a good thing, but America would still be America and it's mentality would still be what it is today. The underlying problems run far deeper and it would require a thesis to even begin to get to grips with them. I lived there (Chicago, DC) for a decade so I have at least a superficial understanding based on first-hard experience; all I will say is that what's wrong is deeply ingrained and it will take as long to change America (generations) as it has taken for it to become what it is now.

Nothing, however, is beyond repair.


I can't say I've ever heard you post something that wasn't completely unfounded and unsubstantiated. You're talking about what's wrong with America without ever actually saying what it is. Honestly you're completely full of s***e.

He posted from the perspective as someone who lived there. The gun point is fair, as several countries have high gun ownership but without the relentless death count so essentially it is a symptom of the culture. He acknowledged that are complex reasons why. Not everything can be explained in a soundbite or an easy answer. If you don't like his perfectly reasonable post wouldn't it be better to move on rather than angering yourself and swearing at people?

Edited by oldcodger (21 Oct 2015 12.07am)

Reasonable post? He didn't begin to say anything at all! It's just a bunch of stereotype filled anti American nonsense

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (21 Oct 2015 7.17am)

I think the point is that the American gun issue is unique in that other countries where guns are readily available don't have the same problems. There is a mentality issue that doesn't exists elsewhere. It's hard to avoid that.

If someone is getting all this from the video posted in this thread though, I do agree with you that it's a leap and not entirely related. There are plenty of idiots in every country and homeless people are unfortunately treated very badly around the world for a variety of reasons.

 

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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 21 Oct 15 9.45am Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Parts of the deep south are no more backward than parts of the arab world, a staunch belief in sky fairies of various denominations, to my mind makes you dense.

 


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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 21 Oct 15 11.46am Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Quote dannyh at 21 Oct 2015 9.45am

Parts of the deep south are no more backward than parts of the arab world, a staunch belief in sky fairies of various denominations, to my mind makes you dense.


Well at least there on our side !!

 


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The Sash Flag Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 21 Oct 15 12.22pm Send a Private Message to The Sash Add The Sash as a friend

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Parts of the deep south are no more backward than parts of the arab world, a staunch belief in sky fairies of various denominations, to my mind makes you dense.


Well at least there on our side !!

Not if you wandered into town with yer real purdy mouth and skinny fit jeans they wouldn't be..


 


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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 21 Oct 15 2.54pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Quote Jimenez at 21 Oct 2015 11.46am

Quote dannyh at 21 Oct 2015 9.45am

Parts of the deep south are no more backward than parts of the arab world, a staunch belief in sky fairies of various denominations, to my mind makes you dense.


Well at least there on our side !!


really, what if I was gay, or a lesbian, or even worse I belived in darwinism over all that "the earth is only 4 thousand years old" bollicks.

I seem to recall that outsiders with "heathen views" are not tolerated anymore than a shariah law spouting dick head would be at the new Den.

Edited by dannyh (21 Oct 2015 2.55pm)

 


"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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Quote Jimenez at 21 Oct 2015 11.46am

Quote dannyh at 21 Oct 2015 9.45am

Parts of the deep south are no more backward than parts of the arab world, a staunch belief in sky fairies of various denominations, to my mind makes you dense.


Well at least there on our side !!


really, what if I was gay, or a lesbian, or even worse I belived in darwinism over all that "the earth is only 4 thousand years old" bollicks.

I seem to recall that outsiders with "heathen views" are not tolerated anymore than a shariah law spouting dick head would be at the new Den.

Edited by dannyh (21 Oct 2015 2.55pm)


Phenomenally easy to imagine

 


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blind eagle Flag Covington.Tennessee 21 Oct 15 5.03pm Send a Private Message to blind eagle Add blind eagle as a friend

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What kind of society churns out this scum...
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How do the people around not even go to help, the guy filming thinks it's funny.. how broken is he?

I've not long got back from Ohio (visiting family) and the bad parts of the country seem to have got worse. Of course, the well off parts remain a great example of "the American dream"

Do our American Eagles see the country struggling, or is it just me?

Yes America is STRUGGLING as never before!. By the time our current President leaves office America will be morally and financially bankrupt. Never in my life have I seen anything or anybody deteriorate as badly and as quickly as America has. I have been here 37 years and I am now a proud American but my adopted country is not the same as the one I chose!!!!!!!.

 

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richard shaw (og)65 Flag my minds eye 21 Oct 15 5.25pm Send a Private Message to richard shaw (og)65 Add richard shaw (og)65 as a friend

to me the situation in ferguson all summer is it in a microcosm , a trigger happy copper shoots some one , the case gets fudged . the local population are bound to get mad , they lost total respect for the local coppers and the authorities . I`m very far from the situation these people are in but I can totally understand their anger . unfortunately protest and in the end violence was their only way , then the authorities over react by putting the army on the streets . the scenes there for me were very reminiscent of military clampdowns in the 60s in the old soviet bloc .

America is in a pretty bad way , the gap between the have and have nots is huge and it isn't going to get any better

 


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phil38 Flag london 21 Oct 15 5.26pm Send a Private Message to phil38 Add phil38 as a friend

nothings ever broken, in many years they may even be able to fix the whole gun problem

 

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twist Flag Miami, Florida 21 Oct 15 8.42pm Send a Private Message to twist Add twist as a friend

Dont get me started.

 

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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 21 Oct 15 8.59pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

The gun problem is fixable. The wealth gap problem is fixable. All problems are fixable, it just takes the will to do it.

The problem right now is that the political system is completely broken. One subset of one branch of government – the House of Representatives – has been hijacked by a radical fringe that has no belief in government or intention to govern. They work only to preserve their own job, and to do that they have to become ever more extreme.

Here’s how that happened:

In 2010, as often happens in mid-term elections (i.e. those that occur in the middle of a President’s 4-year term), the opposition party had big gains. What made this somewhat unusual was that it was also a census year, which means that the congressional districts get redrawn based on the new population survey. Republicans had control of this process in the majority of the States and, true to form for the party in power when this happens, gerrymandered the f*** out of their congressional districts. This created safe-as-houses seats for fellow Republicans; safe, that is, from a Democratic challenger….

When the Republicans had ginned up as much racial and religious bigotry at Obama as possible, they created a monster. That monster wasn’t going to go back in its box, and it was made up of people who vote in party primaries. Thus, incumbent representatives now faced a challenge from their right and so had to be ever more radical just to keep their job. If there was even a hint of wavering in their right wing purity they would be “primaried” by someone even more extreme, and that whack-job would likely win.

So now we have a sizable chunk of the party in power in Congress, who are opposed not only to the President’s agenda, but also to the agenda of their own party. They have run the Speaker out of the job – he just said “f*** it” in the middle of his term – and now they cannot even figure out who to elect as Speaker, the 2nd most powerful position in government and 3rd in line to the Presidency. With this being the status quo, it’s impossible for government to do anything.

In American political history, the low bar had always been the “Do Nothing” Congress of 1947-1949; it passed 906 bills. By modern standards, that’s actually a lot. For example, when George W. Bush faced a strong Democratic-controlled Congress in his final years in office, they still managed to pass 483 bills in 2005/6 and 460 in 2007/8. The Obama administration got 385 bills through Congress in 2009/10, despite a scorched earth opposition from the minority of Republicans in the Senate. Then the Republicans got the House back in 2011/12 and the output dropped to 284 and in 2013/14 it was 296. Nearly half way through the 2015/16 Congress, the count of bills passed is 71.

This is a failure of government that is off the charts bad. They have run into bear traps of their own making (sequestration); they have shut down the government – twice – and are threatening to do it again; they have caused the first ever downgrade of the credit rating of US government…and they’re threatening to do that again. They fail to pass routine bills like the highways bill or the farm bill. They struggle to pass funding for the department of defense – and you’d think that would be a slamdunk with the right wingers!

The bottom line is that there are many problems, all of them solvable, but we are saddled with a flawed system that has given us leadership that couldn’t fix a light bulb if all of them combined their intellectual capacity, and multiplied it by 10.

Edited by Ray in Houston (21 Oct 2015 9.01pm)

 


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