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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 16 Oct 15 1.38pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm Immigration up 20% since 2010. National debt almost doubled since 2010. Police stations being closed down. Coppers axed. Anything happened about tax avoidance yet? Housing and rent out of control. Childrens services cut by 20%. This list goes on and on..... Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health. And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance. We are being had, aren't we? We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed. Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all. Sorry, but what a load of horse s**. You want something in life, you have to work for it, that's the way it has always been. The difference now is more people seem to think they are owed something for being born. You could always drop out and go and live in a tepee the dignified don't even enter in the game*
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In The Crowd 16 Oct 15 1.38pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm

Immigration up 20% since 2010.
National debt almost doubled since 2010.
Police stations being closed down. Coppers axed.
Anything happened about tax avoidance yet?
Housing and rent out of control.
Childrens services cut by 20%.

This list goes on and on.....

Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health.

And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance.

We are being had, aren't we?

We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed.

Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all.

Sorry, but what a load of horse s***. You want something in life, you have to work for it, that's the way it has always been.

The difference now is more people seem to think they are owed something for being born.

You could always drop out and go and live in a tepee

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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johnno42000 16 Oct 15 1.51pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 16 Oct 2015 1.38pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm Immigration up 20% since 2010. National debt almost doubled since 2010. Police stations being closed down. Coppers axed. Anything happened about tax avoidance yet? Housing and rent out of control. Childrens services cut by 20%. This list goes on and on..... Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health. And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance. We are being had, aren't we? We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed. Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all. Sorry, but what a load of horse s*. You want something in life, you have to work for it, that's the way it has always been. The difference now is more people seem to think they are owed something for being born. You could always drop out and go and live in a tepee Not for all of us Attachment**: (1a) Duke of Westminster.jpg (492.83Kb) 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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16 Oct 15 1.51pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 16 Oct 2015 1.38pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm

This list goes on and on.....

Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health.

And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance.

We are being had, aren't we?

We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed.

Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all.

Sorry, but what a load of horse s***. You want something in life, you have to work for it, that's the way it has always been.

The difference now is more people seem to think they are owed something for being born.

You could always drop out and go and live in a tepee

Not for all of us

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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Oct 15 1.51pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 16 Oct 2015 1.38pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm Immigration up 20% since 2010. National debt almost doubled since 2010. Police stations being closed down. Coppers axed. Anything happened about tax avoidance yet? Housing and rent out of control. Childrens services cut by 20%. This list goes on and on..... Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health. And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance. We are being had, aren't we? We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed. Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all. Sorry, but what a load of horse s***. You want something in life, you have to work for it, that's the way it has always been. The difference now is more people seem to think they are owed something for being born. You could always drop out and go and live in a tepee Did I say that? No I didn't - But increasingly it seems people seem to work hard at just standing still. I work, of course people should work, but work should actually provide a return, rather than presenting minimum wage existances for people who are in hoc to large highly profitable corporations, who have manipulated government towards providing them the circumstances they desire, over the needs of society. These days if you want something in life, you can't work for it. You'll be paid a flat wage, minimum opportunities for overtime, with overtime paid at flat rate. In the days of my father and grandfather, you could keep a family on a man's single wage, and opportunities to earn overtime were very good, and work was rewarded. Now its expected. The reward for hard work is more work, and even if you're promoted the chances are you'll not be paid more. That's the corporate state, wage slavery, where we are tied by our responsibilities, debts, mortgages to companies who lower rates of tax than their workers (who also benefited enormously from 'EU Right to work', TITP, Tax Legislation and so on. Companies own the future, and they are buying our present. Who do Cameron and Blair really represent, you and me, or the corporate interests of the UK and those who own them. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 16 Oct 15 1.51pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 16 Oct 2015 1.38pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm

This list goes on and on.....

Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health.

And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance.

We are being had, aren't we?

We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed.

Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all.

Sorry, but what a load of horse s***. You want something in life, you have to work for it, that's the way it has always been.

The difference now is more people seem to think they are owed something for being born.

You could always drop out and go and live in a tepee

Did I say that?

No I didn't - But increasingly it seems people seem to work hard at just standing still. I work, of course people should work, but work should actually provide a return, rather than presenting minimum wage existances for people who are in hoc to large highly profitable corporations, who have manipulated government towards providing them the circumstances they desire, over the needs of society.

These days if you want something in life, you can't work for it. You'll be paid a flat wage, minimum opportunities for overtime, with overtime paid at flat rate.

In the days of my father and grandfather, you could keep a family on a man's single wage, and opportunities to earn overtime were very good, and work was rewarded. Now its expected. The reward for hard work is more work, and even if you're promoted the chances are you'll not be paid more.

That's the corporate state, wage slavery, where we are tied by our responsibilities, debts, mortgages to companies who lower rates of tax than their workers (who also benefited enormously from 'EU Right to work', TITP, Tax Legislation and so on.

Companies own the future, and they are buying our present. Who do Cameron and Blair really represent, you and me, or the corporate interests of the UK and those who own them.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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We are goin up! Coulsdon 16 Oct 15 1.54pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed. Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all. Sorry but posts like this make me angry. What a load of absolute rubbish. If by wage slaves you mean we have to work harder to earn money to spend on things we enjoy doing then yes, we're all wage slaves. Do you think everything should be free and not earnt? No incentives in this world for anyone? No liberty for us to do as we please and spend our hard-earned on what we please? Grow up. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm

We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed.

Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all.

Sorry but posts like this make me angry. What a load of absolute rubbish. If by wage slaves you mean we have to work harder to earn money to spend on things we enjoy doing then yes, we're all wage slaves. Do you think everything should be free and not earnt? No incentives in this world for anyone? No liberty for us to do as we please and spend our hard-earned on what we please?

Grow up.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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chris123 hove actually 16 Oct 15 1.58pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.51pm Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 16 Oct 2015 1.38pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm Immigration up 20% since 2010. National debt almost doubled since 2010. Police stations being closed down. Coppers axed. Anything happened about tax avoidance yet? Housing and rent out of control. Childrens services cut by 20%. This list goes on and on..... Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health. And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance. We are being had, aren't we? We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed. Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all. Sorry, but what a load of horse s***. You want something in life, you have to work for it, that's the way it has always been. The difference now is more people seem to think they are owed something for being born. You could always drop out and go and live in a tepee Did I say that? No I didn't - But increasingly it seems people seem to work hard at just standing still. I work, of course people should work, but work should actually provide a return, rather than presenting minimum wage existances for people who are in hoc to large highly profitable corporations, who have manipulated government towards providing them the circumstances they desire, over the needs of society. These days if you want something in life, you can't work for it. You'll be paid a flat wage, minimum opportunities for overtime, with overtime paid at flat rate. In the days of my father and grandfather, you could keep a family on a man's single wage, and opportunities to earn overtime were very good, and work was rewarded. Now its expected. The reward for hard work is more work, and even if you're promoted the chances are you'll not be paid more. That's the corporate state, wage slavery, where we are tied by our responsibilities, debts, mortgages to companies who lower rates of tax than their workers (who also benefited enormously from 'EU Right to work', TITP, Tax Legislation and so on. Companies own the future, and they are buying our present. Who do Cameron and Blair really represent, you and me, or the corporate interests of the UK and those who own them. So your father and grandfather were better off than you?
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hove actually 16 Oct 15 1.58pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.51pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 16 Oct 2015 1.38pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm

This list goes on and on.....

Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health.

And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance.

We are being had, aren't we?

We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed.

Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all.

Sorry, but what a load of horse s***. You want something in life, you have to work for it, that's the way it has always been.

The difference now is more people seem to think they are owed something for being born.

You could always drop out and go and live in a tepee

Did I say that?

These days if you want something in life, you can't work for it. You'll be paid a flat wage, minimum opportunities for overtime, with overtime paid at flat rate.

Companies own the future, and they are buying our present. Who do Cameron and Blair really represent, you and me, or the corporate interests of the UK and those who own them.

So your father and grandfather were better off than you?

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johnno42000 16 Oct 15 1.58pm
Quote We are goin up! at 16 Oct 2015 1.54pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed. Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all. Sorry but posts like this make me angry. What a load of absolute rubbish. If by wage slaves you mean we have to work harder to earn money to spend on things we enjoy doing then yes, we're all wage slaves. Do you think everything should be free and not earnt? No incentives in this world for anyone? No liberty for us to do as we please and spend our hard-earned on what we please? Grow up. What happens if we work harder to earn money just to survive? No luxuries just enough to pay the rent, utilities and basic food? Such as the lady on Question Time was trying to explain to the panel last night. She voted Conservative as she thought they would give her the best chance to advance and they have clearly let her and her family down due to the Tax Credit cuts. Edited by johnno42000 (16 Oct 2015 2.00pm) 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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16 Oct 15 1.58pm

Quote We are goin up! at 16 Oct 2015 1.54pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm

We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed.

Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all.

Grow up.

What happens if we work harder to earn money just to survive? No luxuries just enough to pay the rent, utilities and basic food? Such as the lady on Question Time was trying to explain to the panel last night. She voted Conservative as she thought they would give her the best chance to advance and they have clearly let her and her family down due to the Tax Credit cuts.

Edited by johnno42000 (16 Oct 2015 2.00pm)

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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Kermit8 Hevon 16 Oct 15 1.59pm
Quote We are goin up! at 16 Oct 2015 1.54pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed. Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all. Sorry but posts like this make me angry. What a load of absolute rubbish. If by wage slaves you mean we have to work harder to earn money to spend on things we enjoy doing then yes, we're all wage slaves. Do you think everything should be free and not earnt? No incentives in this world for anyone? No liberty for us to do as we please and spend our hard-earned on what we please? Grow up. The first paragraph is spot on though, don't you agree? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote We are goin up! at 16 Oct 2015 1.54pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm

We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed.

Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all.

Grow up.

The first paragraph is spot on though, don't you agree?

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Stuk Top half 16 Oct 15 2.07pm
The tory government only got elected 5 months ago. Optimistic as ever
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The tory government only got elected 5 months ago.

Optimistic as ever

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DanH SW2 16 Oct 15 2.07pm
Quote We are goin up! at 16 Oct 2015 1.54pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed. Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all. Sorry but posts like this make me angry. What a load of absolute rubbish. If by wage slaves you mean we have to work harder to earn money to spend on things we enjoy doing then yes, we're all wage slaves. Do you think everything should be free and not earnt? No incentives in this world for anyone? No liberty for us to do as we please and spend our hard-earned on what we please? Grow up. I agree with both of you. In a way. I've had two pints at lunch so I can't be bothered to expand.
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Quote We are goin up! at 16 Oct 2015 1.54pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm

We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed.

Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all.

Grow up.

I agree with both of you. In a way. I've had two pints at lunch so I can't be bothered to expand.

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Kermit8 Hevon 16 Oct 15 2.08pm
Quote johnno42000 at 16 Oct 2015 1.58pm Quote We are goin up! at 16 Oct 2015 1.54pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed. Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all. Sorry but posts like this make me angry. What a load of absolute rubbish. If by wage slaves you mean we have to work harder to earn money to spend on things we enjoy doing then yes, we're all wage slaves. Do you think everything should be free and not earnt? No incentives in this world for anyone? No liberty for us to do as we please and spend our hard-earned on what we please? Grow up. What happens if we work harder to earn money just to survive? No luxuries just enough to pay the rent, utilities and basic food? Such as the lady on Question Time was trying to explain to the panel last night. She voted Conservative as she thought they would give her the best chance to advance and they have clearly let her and her family down due to the Tax Credit cuts. Edited by johnno42000 (16 Oct 2015 2.00pm) Yep. The tax credit cut is just wrong. Punishing the working families for being in work and between them - the mum and dad - for being on much less than average earnings. The only socio-economic group immune to the cuts by the Tories seem to be those who can actually afford it the most. Higher rate tax lowered from 50p to 45p a while back. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote johnno42000 at 16 Oct 2015 1.58pm

Quote We are goin up! at 16 Oct 2015 1.54pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm

We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed.

Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all.

Grow up.

Edited by johnno42000 (16 Oct 2015 2.00pm)

Yep. The tax credit cut is just wrong. Punishing the working families for being in work and between them - the mum and dad - for being on much less than average earnings.

The only socio-economic group immune to the cuts by the Tories seem to be those who can actually afford it the most. Higher rate tax lowered from 50p to 45p a while back.

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Quote Stuk at 16 Oct 2015 2.07pm The tory government only got elected 5 months ago. Pedant Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote Stuk at 16 Oct 2015 2.07pm

The tory government only got elected 5 months ago.

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We are goin up! Coulsdon 16 Oct 15 2.57pm
Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 2.08pm Quote johnno42000 at 16 Oct 2015 1.58pm Quote We are goin up! at 16 Oct 2015 1.54pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed. Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all. Sorry but posts like this make me angry. What a load of absolute rubbish. If by wage slaves you mean we have to work harder to earn money to spend on things we enjoy doing then yes, we're all wage slaves. Do you think everything should be free and not earnt? No incentives in this world for anyone? No liberty for us to do as we please and spend our hard-earned on what we please? Grow up. What happens if we work harder to earn money just to survive? No luxuries just enough to pay the rent, utilities and basic food? Such as the lady on Question Time was trying to explain to the panel last night. She voted Conservative as she thought they would give her the best chance to advance and they have clearly let her and her family down due to the Tax Credit cuts. Edited by johnno42000 (16 Oct 2015 2.00pm) Yep. The tax credit cut is just wrong. Punishing the working families for being in work and between them - the mum and dad - for being on much less than average earnings. The only socio-economic group immune to the cuts by the Tories seem to be those who can actually afford it the most. Higher rate tax lowered from 50p to 45p a while back. First things first, I think the tax credit cut is a completely daft move. If you're going to cut tax credits, do it at a pace that is matched by a raise in the minimum wage. I don't like tax credits as a concept and I think dependency on them is a very bad thing for our society, but I agree that since people currently are dependent on them, this should be gradually reduced rather than slashed and I think the government has got this one badly wrong as the minimum wage hasn't been raised to match the cut in benefit. With regard to the 50p rate being cut, Labour had it at 40p for pretty much their whole term in office and then raised it a couple of months before a general election as a trap for the Tories. I think it's wrong to take extra income tax off the wealthy when it's been proven that it doesn't actually raise any money. What I want the treasury to do is maximise their income whilst also keeping as much money in our economy as possible. If we have competitive taxes, the wealthy are more likely to live here, pay taxes here and most importantly spend their money here. I don't believe in symbolic taxation, I believe in pragmatism. What I really object to is statements such as "we are now all wage-slaves" for the reasons I've already explained. Capitalism has seen progress in wealth at every level, and yes everything we have in life must be earned, even if it's tough. If someone could tell me where this fantasy alternative is, where everyone gets everything they want without having earned it, then I'd love to see it. I don't think it exists. The problem with socialism is they assume that you can create wealth at the bottom by diminishing it at the top, and it has been proven time and again that it does. not. work. Edited by We are goin up! (16 Oct 2015 2.58pm) The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 2.08pm

Quote johnno42000 at 16 Oct 2015 1.58pm

Quote We are goin up! at 16 Oct 2015 1.54pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.22pm

We're all in it togeather, except of course the corporations, the priviliged and the wealthy. Even the middle classes, a traditional bastion of conservatism are being squeezed.

Whilst we argue, left no right, the corporate state marches onwards making wage-slaves of us all.

Grow up.

Edited by johnno42000 (16 Oct 2015 2.00pm)

Yep. The tax credit cut is just wrong. Punishing the working families for being in work and between them - the mum and dad - for being on much less than average earnings.

The only socio-economic group immune to the cuts by the Tories seem to be those who can actually afford it the most. Higher rate tax lowered from 50p to 45p a while back.

First things first, I think the tax credit cut is a completely daft move. If you're going to cut tax credits, do it at a pace that is matched by a raise in the minimum wage. I don't like tax credits as a concept and I think dependency on them is a very bad thing for our society, but I agree that since people currently are dependent on them, this should be gradually reduced rather than slashed and I think the government has got this one badly wrong as the minimum wage hasn't been raised to match the cut in benefit.

With regard to the 50p rate being cut, Labour had it at 40p for pretty much their whole term in office and then raised it a couple of months before a general election as a trap for the Tories. I think it's wrong to take extra income tax off the wealthy when it's been proven that it doesn't actually raise any money. What I want the treasury to do is maximise their income whilst also keeping as much money in our economy as possible. If we have competitive taxes, the wealthy are more likely to live here, pay taxes here and most importantly spend their money here. I don't believe in symbolic taxation, I believe in pragmatism.

What I really object to is statements such as "we are now all wage-slaves" for the reasons I've already explained. Capitalism has seen progress in wealth at every level, and yes everything we have in life must be earned, even if it's tough. If someone could tell me where this fantasy alternative is, where everyone gets everything they want without having earned it, then I'd love to see it. I don't think it exists. The problem with socialism is they assume that you can create wealth at the bottom by diminishing it at the top, and it has been proven time and again that it does. not. work.

Edited by We are goin up! (16 Oct 2015 2.58pm)

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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