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 We are goin up!  Coulsdon 13 Oct 15 12.07pm |
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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 11.50am
What's all the fuss about? Firstly, the Conservative 'surplus' pledge is a nothing more than a legitimisation device to get yet more draconian pieces of 'social engineering' through Parliament. It is also a mean spirited target which enables the 'Out' camp to point at the money going to Europe as a cause rather than effect of our econmic impotence. A couple of right-wingers in the party don't like it? Diane Abbott...Ha Ha....she's just a better camouflaged self-centered careerist who's really not as 'left' as sh'd like us to believe. Obviously the re-birth of a proper Labour Party based on Socialist Values is going to be messy. Once they put the Blairites out of harms way - whether by de-selection or by imposing discipline - then a consesus policy porfolio can be followed. Untill then, every issue will be devisive, every debate will drive away some careerist hanger-on or closit Tory. Nobody should expect this to be anything other than a barely concealed internal civil-war but there is no room in Corbyn's Labour for anybody who is not willing to dump the post-Thatcher emphasis on Corporate interest in favour of a re-statement of political purpose as champions of the oppressed, the dispossessed and the exploited in our society. Make no mistake, the oppressed, the dispossessed and the exploited make up a very large segment of British society and one that is continually growing thanks to Osborne and chums. The Tories are a grand recruiting sargeant for Labour.
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| ghosteagle 13 Oct 15 12.11pm |
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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 11.50am
What's all the fuss about? Firstly, the Conservative 'surplus' pledge is a nothing more than a legitimisation device to get yet more draconian pieces of 'social engineering' through Parliament. It is also a mean spirited target which enables the 'Out' camp to point at the money going to Europe as a cause rather than effect of our econmic impotence. A couple of right-wingers in the party don't like it? Diane Abbott...Ha Ha....she's just a better camouflaged self-centered careerist who's really not as 'left' as sh'd like us to believe. Obviously the re-birth of a proper Labour Party based on Socialist Values is going to be messy. Once they put the Blairites out of harms way - whether by de-selection or by imposing discipline - then a consesus policy porfolio can be followed. Untill then, every issue will be devisive, every debate will drive away some careerist hanger-on or closit Tory. Nobody should expect this to be anything other than a barely concealed internal civil-war but there is no room in Corbyn's Labour for anybody who is not willing to dump the post-Thatcher emphasis on Corporate interest in favour of a re-statement of political purpose as champions of the oppressed, the dispossessed and the exploited in our society. Make no mistake, the oppressed, the dispossessed and the exploited make up a very large segment of British society and one that is continually growing thanks to Osborne and chums.
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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 11.50am
What's all the fuss about? Firstly, the Conservative 'surplus' pledge is a nothing more than a legitimisation device to get yet more draconian pieces of 'social engineering' through Parliament. It is also a mean spirited target which enables the 'Out' camp to point at the money going to Europe as a cause rather than effect of our econmic impotence. A couple of right-wingers in the party don't like it? Diane Abbott...Ha Ha....she's just a better camouflaged self-centered careerist who's really not as 'left' as sh'd like us to believe. Obviously the re-birth of a proper Labour Party based on Socialist Values is going to be messy. Once they put the Blairites out of harms way - whether by de-selection or by imposing discipline - then a consesus policy porfolio can be followed. Untill then, every issue will be devisive, every debate will drive away some careerist hanger-on or closit Tory. Nobody should expect this to be anything other than a barely concealed internal civil-war but there is no room in Corbyn's Labour for anybody who is not willing to dump the post-Thatcher emphasis on Corporate interest in favour of a re-statement of political purpose as champions of the oppressed, the dispossessed and the exploited in our society. Make no mistake, the oppressed, the dispossessed and the exploited make up a very large segment of British society and one that is continually growing thanks to Osborne and chums. The Tories are a grand recruiting sargeant for Labour. What a lot of tosh. Firstly, the Tory aim is to reduce the burden on the state from people working and still eligible for benefit of one sort or another. This situation only encourages employers to pay less at tax payers expense. What is this social engineering of which you speak ? There is no ground swell of discontent. This is just the usual tired old nonsense that you always hear when the Conservatives are in power. The tiny minority of hard line lefties get all upset and throw their dummy out of the pram. Probably paid for with benefits. Where were you all at the election ?
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 13 Oct 15 12.46pm |
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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 11.50am
What's all the fuss about? Firstly, the Conservative 'surplus' pledge is a nothing more than a legitimisation device to get yet more draconian pieces of 'social engineering' through Parliament. It is also a mean spirited target which enables the 'Out' camp to point at the money going to Europe as a cause rather than effect of our econmic impotence. A couple of right-wingers in the party don't like it? Diane Abbott...Ha Ha....she's just a better camouflaged self-centered careerist who's really not as 'left' as sh'd like us to believe. Obviously the re-birth of a proper Labour Party based on Socialist Values is going to be messy. Once they put the Blairites out of harms way - whether by de-selection or by imposing discipline - then a consesus policy porfolio can be followed. Untill then, every issue will be devisive, every debate will drive away some careerist hanger-on or closit Tory. Nobody should expect this to be anything other than a barely concealed internal civil-war but there is no room in Corbyn's Labour for anybody who is not willing to dump the post-Thatcher emphasis on Corporate interest in favour of a re-statement of political purpose as champions of the oppressed, the dispossessed and the exploited in our society. Make no mistake, the oppressed, the dispossessed and the exploited make up a very large segment of British society and one that is continually growing thanks to Osborne and chums. The Tories are a grand recruiting sargeant for Labour.
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| ghosteagle 13 Oct 15 12.53pm |
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Oct 2015 12.42pm
Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 11.50am
What's all the fuss about? Firstly, the Conservative 'surplus' pledge is a nothing more than a legitimisation device to get yet more draconian pieces of 'social engineering' through Parliament. It is also a mean spirited target which enables the 'Out' camp to point at the money going to Europe as a cause rather than effect of our econmic impotence. A couple of right-wingers in the party don't like it? Diane Abbott...Ha Ha....she's just a better camouflaged self-centered careerist who's really not as 'left' as sh'd like us to believe. Obviously the re-birth of a proper Labour Party based on Socialist Values is going to be messy. Once they put the Blairites out of harms way - whether by de-selection or by imposing discipline - then a consesus policy porfolio can be followed. Untill then, every issue will be devisive, every debate will drive away some careerist hanger-on or closit Tory. Nobody should expect this to be anything other than a barely concealed internal civil-war but there is no room in Corbyn's Labour for anybody who is not willing to dump the post-Thatcher emphasis on Corporate interest in favour of a re-statement of political purpose as champions of the oppressed, the dispossessed and the exploited in our society. Make no mistake, the oppressed, the dispossessed and the exploited make up a very large segment of British society and one that is continually growing thanks to Osborne and chums. The Tories are a grand recruiting sargeant for Labour. What a lot of tosh. Firstly, the Tory aim is to reduce the burden on the state from people working and still eligible for benefit of one sort or another. This situation only encourages employers to pay less at tax payers expense. What is this social engineering of which you speak ? There is no ground swell of discontent. This is just the usual tired old nonsense that you always hear when the Conservatives are in power. The tiny minority of hard line lefties get all upset and throw their dummy out of the pram. Probably paid for with benefits. Where were you all at the election ?
I think the attempts by the tories to force poor people out of london qualifies as social engineering, and should be the focus of more discussion within the public domain.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 13 Oct 15 12.58pm |
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Quote ghosteagle at 13 Oct 2015 12.53pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Oct 2015 12.42pm
Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 11.50am
What's all the fuss about? Firstly, the Conservative 'surplus' pledge is a nothing more than a legitimisation device to get yet more draconian pieces of 'social engineering' through Parliament. It is also a mean spirited target which enables the 'Out' camp to point at the money going to Europe as a cause rather than effect of our econmic impotence. A couple of right-wingers in the party don't like it? Diane Abbott...Ha Ha....she's just a better camouflaged self-centered careerist who's really not as 'left' as sh'd like us to believe. Obviously the re-birth of a proper Labour Party based on Socialist Values is going to be messy. Once they put the Blairites out of harms way - whether by de-selection or by imposing discipline - then a consesus policy porfolio can be followed. Untill then, every issue will be devisive, every debate will drive away some careerist hanger-on or closit Tory. Nobody should expect this to be anything other than a barely concealed internal civil-war but there is no room in Corbyn's Labour for anybody who is not willing to dump the post-Thatcher emphasis on Corporate interest in favour of a re-statement of political purpose as champions of the oppressed, the dispossessed and the exploited in our society. Make no mistake, the oppressed, the dispossessed and the exploited make up a very large segment of British society and one that is continually growing thanks to Osborne and chums. The Tories are a grand recruiting sargeant for Labour. What a lot of tosh. Firstly, the Tory aim is to reduce the burden on the state from people working and still eligible for benefit of one sort or another. This situation only encourages employers to pay less at tax payers expense. What is this social engineering of which you speak ? There is no ground swell of discontent. This is just the usual tired old nonsense that you always hear when the Conservatives are in power. The tiny minority of hard line lefties get all upset and throw their dummy out of the pram. Probably paid for with benefits. Where were you all at the election ?
I think the attempts by the tories to force poor people out of london qualifies as social engineering, and should be the focus of more discussion within the public domain. Poor people out of London ???!! are you having a tin bath mate. Have you been to Leyton, West Croydon, Addo, Fort neef etc etc etc. if they ARE trying to push poor people out of london they are doing a sh1t job.
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| Red-Blue-Yellow Surrey 13 Oct 15 12.59pm |
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Quote We are goin up! at 13 Oct 2015 12.07pm
In your weird world the general election never happened, did it? Pardon? No, the Election happened, was fought by a out of date and out of touch leadership which, thankfully, was a casualty of the defeat.
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| ghosteagle 13 Oct 15 1.03pm |
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Quote dannyh at 13 Oct 2015 12.58pm
Quote ghosteagle at 13 Oct 2015 12.53pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Oct 2015 12.42pm
Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 11.50am
What's all the fuss about? Firstly, the Conservative 'surplus' pledge is a nothing more than a legitimisation device to get yet more draconian pieces of 'social engineering' through Parliament. It is also a mean spirited target which enables the 'Out' camp to point at the money going to Europe as a cause rather than effect of our econmic impotence. A couple of right-wingers in the party don't like it? Diane Abbott...Ha Ha....she's just a better camouflaged self-centered careerist who's really not as 'left' as sh'd like us to believe. Obviously the re-birth of a proper Labour Party based on Socialist Values is going to be messy. Once they put the Blairites out of harms way - whether by de-selection or by imposing discipline - then a consesus policy porfolio can be followed. Untill then, every issue will be devisive, every debate will drive away some careerist hanger-on or closit Tory. Nobody should expect this to be anything other than a barely concealed internal civil-war but there is no room in Corbyn's Labour for anybody who is not willing to dump the post-Thatcher emphasis on Corporate interest in favour of a re-statement of political purpose as champions of the oppressed, the dispossessed and the exploited in our society. Make no mistake, the oppressed, the dispossessed and the exploited make up a very large segment of British society and one that is continually growing thanks to Osborne and chums. The Tories are a grand recruiting sargeant for Labour. What a lot of tosh. Firstly, the Tory aim is to reduce the burden on the state from people working and still eligible for benefit of one sort or another. This situation only encourages employers to pay less at tax payers expense. What is this social engineering of which you speak ? There is no ground swell of discontent. This is just the usual tired old nonsense that you always hear when the Conservatives are in power. The tiny minority of hard line lefties get all upset and throw their dummy out of the pram. Probably paid for with benefits. Where were you all at the election ?
I think the attempts by the tories to force poor people out of london qualifies as social engineering, and should be the focus of more discussion within the public domain. Poor people out of London ???!! are you having a tin bath mate. Have you been to Leyton, West Croydon, Addo, Fort neef etc etc etc. if they ARE trying to push poor people out of london they are doing a sh1t job.
I disagree, they are doing a fine job with the combination of rising rents and camerons proposal to remove the need for developers to build affordable housing which will push even more of the poorest out of the capital.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 13 Oct 15 1.03pm |
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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 12.59pm
Quote We are goin up! at 13 Oct 2015 12.07pm
In your weird world the general election never happened, did it? Pardon? No, the Election happened, was fought by a out of date and out of touch leadership which, thankfully, was a casualty of the defeat. Wow just wow, that is the longest most bizzare answer to a question I've ever read. I take it back you not Rick from the young ones. You are Chairman Mao.
"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'" |
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| chris123 hove actually 13 Oct 15 1.05pm |
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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 12.59pm
Quote We are goin up! at 13 Oct 2015 12.07pm
In your weird world the general election never happened, did it? Pardon? No, the Election happened, was fought by a out of date and out of touch leadership which, thankfully, was a casualty of the defeat.
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| ghosteagle 13 Oct 15 1.06pm |
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Quote dannyh at 13 Oct 2015 1.03pm
Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 12.59pm
Quote We are goin up! at 13 Oct 2015 12.07pm
In your weird world the general election never happened, did it? Pardon? No, the Election happened, was fought by a out of date and out of touch leadership which, thankfully, was a casualty of the defeat. Wow just wow, that is the longest most bizzare answer to a question I've ever read. I take it back you not Rick from the young ones. You are Chairman Mao.
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| Red-Blue-Yellow Surrey 13 Oct 15 2.08pm |
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Quote dannyh at 13 Oct 2015 1.03pm
You are Chairman Mao.
Think of me as somebody with a Politics Degree, a jaundiced view of conservative and neo-liberal politics and politicians, a recogniser of crypto-fascist corporate influence masquerading as 'economic neccessity'....or for the hard of reading...A DIED IN THE WOOL SOCIALIST. Not a self-serving Union minion, not a looney left idealist, just someone who, after 60yrs on this Earth, sees the alternatives available to a properly enfranchised citizenry. From Each According To Their Ability - To Each According To Their Need. Simple....the Credo not achieving it. That's harder. That's what the whole purpose of the Labour Party is.
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