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jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Oct 15 10.21am | |
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Quote Mapletree at 05 Oct 2015 10.03am
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Quote Mapletree at 05 Oct 2015 9.33am
Protected, cossetted group sitting fat and happy on final salary pension schemes that they didn't pay nearly enough for and massive housing equity growth. In the very pleasant position of being able to dole out their largesse to the coming generation as they see fit, maintaining control over them. And they can avoid inheritance tax if they do that too. I see no reason they should get special treatment either way but I would err on the side of redistribution of wealth rather than giving them free bus journeys and fuel benefits without means testing. I actually fail to see why they are exempt from National Insurance payments (even when they are still working), they take so much out of the system it's hard to understand why they should consider that they have 'already paid their dues'. The politic of envy.
If it's the politics of envy, does that mean you think we can all get the benefits this group has had? Not likely is it. But of course this group is untouchable and makes sure its voice is heard by politicians who rarely dare touch it. Life isn't fair. I agree young people get screwed all time, along with the poor and the disabled. But that's not a justification for then just targeting other groups in society - especially in the way the think tank proposes. The job of government is to regulate and provide a basis for all its people. Could it be that actually we need to raise revenue? Personally I believe that the governments going back at least 20 years have served the desires of corporate influences, and the wealthy, and delivered the costs to average individual in society.
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Hoof Hearted 05 Oct 15 10.22am | |
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1.6million pensioners are living with very little money and in poverty in the UK. Cosseted? Wealthy? This lot? And no mention of their benefits being protected by this odious Tory Tax Alliance Think Tank. Still they will be dead soon.
What a horribly skewed vision of life you must have, begrudging old people living a bit after they have worked 50+ years paying tax/NI and having put up with the blitz and rationing. The things that you are envious of they have PAID for themselves.
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Mapletree Croydon 05 Oct 15 10.24am | |
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1.6million pensioners are living with very little money and in poverty in the UK. Cosseted? Wealthy? This lot? And no mention of their benefits being protected by this odious Tory Tax Alliance Think Tank. Still they will be dead soon.
There was no mention of means testing by the think tank which leads me to believe they want all pensioners to take a hit.
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Mapletree Croydon 05 Oct 15 10.28am | |
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1.6million pensioners are living with very little money and in poverty in the UK. Cosseted? Wealthy? This lot? And no mention of their benefits being protected by this odious Tory Tax Alliance Think Tank. Still they will be dead soon.
What a horribly skewed vision of life you must have, begrudging old people living a bit after they have worked 50+ years paying tax/NI and having put up with the blitz and rationing. The things that you are envious of they have PAID for themselves.
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aquickgame2 Beni = summer,Caribbean = winter 05 Oct 15 10.35am | |
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Most of these oldies have worked all of their lives,40/45 years of tax,NI that they were told or taken from their pay. Many were prudent with their money,brought up children,paid their rent/mortgage and bills and are now enjoying the last years of their lives.Many had the good fortune to be in the housing boom,good luck to them. Let them enjoy,we will all be there soon enough.
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Hoof Hearted 05 Oct 15 10.42am | |
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1.6million pensioners are living with very little money and in poverty in the UK. Cosseted? Wealthy? This lot? And no mention of their benefits being protected by this odious Tory Tax Alliance Think Tank. Still they will be dead soon.
What a horribly skewed vision of life you must have, begrudging old people living a bit after they have worked 50+ years paying tax/NI and having put up with the blitz and rationing. The things that you are envious of they have PAID for themselves.
As for the public sector... I totally agree with you. As pay and benefits are paid for by our taxes it is right that they should be reviewed and dispensed with if they are a burden on society (which they are now). The private sector has largely put it's house in order by restricting benefits and closing schemes to new entrants. The public sector (Teachers, Local Government, Fire Brigade etc) has yet to fully address the impact their pension entitlement has on the tax payer. Maybe your crusade against pensioners should be specifically targeted at ex public sector workers?
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Kermit8 Hevon 05 Oct 15 10.51am | |
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What is clear, and I wouldn't put it past this lot, that if the government do stop certain benefits for all pensioners then that 1.6million struggling now will be much higher this time next year.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 05 Oct 15 10.52am | |
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Anyone who affiliates themselves 'for life' to a particular political party, is a 'cnt' to my thinking. Thatcher put all her monies in an off-shore company. How much inheritance tax did Blair (and Cherie Booth) and Cameron pay from their parents estate ? I'll give you a clue,. . . Z,..e...r....o Wake up and smell the coffee
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 05 Oct 15 10.55am | |
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and why is the number of people in 'desperate poverty' falling ? good Government policy ? It's because those in poverty are dying quicker. lies, damn lies, and statistics.
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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 05 Oct 15 10.55am | |
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1) "because they might die before the next election so can't vote." 2) "because they will probably forget who did it to them" What a delightful group. What an unintelligent post. Pensioners are the richest age group in the country. Benefits are universal and not means tested, as a result the poorest pensioners get the same as those who go on regular cruises. The fact is that that universal benefits for pensioners is not fair. The system needs reviewing and change.
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Mapletree Croydon 05 Oct 15 10.56am | |
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You are choosing to miss the point. Final salary pension schemes have emasculated many august organisations. Unfortunately businesses didn't react quickly enough, I remember specifically telling the CEO of a FTSE 100 company to deal with it and he refused - burying his head in the sand. So now big business - instead of investing for the future - is trying to repay debts that were created when actuarial reviews showed they didn't anywhere near have coverage. And that includes for example the big accountancy houses - if they got it wrong what hope other businesses. Now it's too late to do anything about that but we can at least acknowledge that there is a generation that effectively retired too early and stop featherbedding them. This is a class divide thing. Those further down the chain probably didn't retire too early, if they worked manually they may have struggled to keep working. Those at the top of the chain have ended up taking the money and running to the sun despite having many years more work left in them. And by the way unless you are at least 88 you can't have fought in the Second World War, there is nothing special about the generation of recently-retired people that are holding so much of the country's wealth.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 05 Oct 15 11.01am | |
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Quote Mapletree at 05 Oct 2015 10.56am
You are choosing to miss the point. Final salary pension schemes have emasculated many august organisations. Unfortunately businesses didn't react quickly enough, I remember specifically telling the CEO of a FTSE 100 company to deal with it and he refused - burying his head in the sand. So now big business - instead of investing for the future - is trying to repay debts that were created when actuarial reviews showed they didn't anywhere near have coverage. And that includes for example the big accountancy houses - if they got it wrong what hope other businesses. Now it's too late to do anything about that but we can at least acknowledge that there is a generation that effectively retired too early and stop featherbedding them. This is a class divide thing. Those further down the chain probably didn't retire too early, if they worked manually they may have struggled to keep working. Those at the top of the chain have ended up taking the money and running to the sun despite having many years more work left in them. And by the way unless you are at least 88 you can't have fought in the Second World War, there is nothing special about the generation of recently-retired people that are holding so much of the country's wealth.
The pension system from decades ago was/is totally unsustainable
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