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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Sep 15 11.30am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

As I see it, this was an action by an individual acting in good faith as a result of a past experience.

As the hospital has said :

The spokesman also said the hospital trust was "absolutely clear that members of Her Majesty's armed forces, whether in uniform or not, should not be treated any differently to any other person".

"We are now making this point clear to all our members of staff and will seek to make sure that this never happens again," he added.

One hopes that the person who has caused the problem in the past was dealt with by the authorities in a firm and robust manner.


Edited by Willo (26 Sep 2015 11.47am)

 

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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 26 Sep 15 11.48am Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

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How pathetic........ if anything this man should have received better treatment as a serving officer of our armed forces, not hidden away for fear of offending other "cultures".

This sort of stuff makes my blood boil.........

How dare you even say that Hoof - really you should show far more respect than that. I do believe you must be a racist for even starting a thread like this. Besides, to serve in the British armed forces means that he must have been racist too.


Some people will see it like that Tom!


I wonder how the guy who just appeared on Sky news this mornings will see it?

Still, it was probably the fault of the 9 year old girl. Raping c@nt

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Edited by Tom-the-eagle (26 Sep 2015 9.57am)

WTF has that got to do with a bad decision by a hospital?

Mods have a word. This is just Muslim bashing.


Edited by nickgusset (26 Sep 2015 10.28am)


Is the correct answer. Apparently no one read the article or, if they did, they looked at the picture but couldn't actually read.


Is not the correct answer and I read the complete article.
it quotes:
“This employee was acting in good faith because previously, there had been an altercation between a member of the public and a different member of the armed forces in uniform.”

If that was the case previously then the notice should have been made more prominent, where I might add is in any doctors or hospital, that anyone causing a problem will be asked to leave, and this means anyone. So if some objects to a member of the armed forces being there and picks on them, then that person should be ejected and let the service man sit in peace. I am afraid this country is bending and leaning towards ANYONE but the right people IMO....it is getting bad really bad now.


That may be the case. But it's got sod all to do with a rape case!

But this thread is about a hospital hiding a sick serviceman Nick??

 


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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 26 Sep 15 11.49am Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Quote Willo at 26 Sep 2015 11.30am

As I see it, this was an action by an individual acting in good faith as a result of a past experience.

As the hospital has said :

The spokesman also said the hospital trust was "absolutely clear that members of Her Majesty's armed forces, whether in uniform or not, should not be treated any differently to any other person".

"We are now making this point clear to all our members of staff and will seek to make sure that this never happens again," he added.

One hopes that the person who has caused the problem in the past was dealt with by the authorities in a firm and robust manner.


Edited by Willo (26 Sep 2015 11.47am)


I totally agree willo.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 26 Sep 15 11.50am

Quote susmik at 26 Sep 2015 11.48am

Quote nickgusset at 26 Sep 2015 11.02am

Quote susmik at 26 Sep 2015 10.52am

Quote sydtheeagle at 26 Sep 2015 10.37am

Quote nickgusset at 26 Sep 2015 10.22am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 26 Sep 2015 9.52am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 26 Sep 2015 9.49am

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Quote Hoof Hearted at 26 Sep 2015 9.36am

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How pathetic........ if anything this man should have received better treatment as a serving officer of our armed forces, not hidden away for fear of offending other "cultures".

This sort of stuff makes my blood boil.........

How dare you even say that Hoof - really you should show far more respect than that. I do believe you must be a racist for even starting a thread like this. Besides, to serve in the British armed forces means that he must have been racist too.


Some people will see it like that Tom!


I wonder how the guy who just appeared on Sky news this mornings will see it?

Still, it was probably the fault of the 9 year old girl. Raping c@nt

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Edited by Tom-the-eagle (26 Sep 2015 9.57am)

WTF has that got to do with a bad decision by a hospital?

Mods have a word. This is just Muslim bashing.


Edited by nickgusset (26 Sep 2015 10.28am)


Is the correct answer. Apparently no one read the article or, if they did, they looked at the picture but couldn't actually read.


Is not the correct answer and I read the complete article.
it quotes:
“This employee was acting in good faith because previously, there had been an altercation between a member of the public and a different member of the armed forces in uniform.”

If that was the case previously then the notice should have been made more prominent, where I might add is in any doctors or hospital, that anyone causing a problem will be asked to leave, and this means anyone. So if some objects to a member of the armed forces being there and picks on them, then that person should be ejected and let the service man sit in peace. I am afraid this country is bending and leaning towards ANYONE but the right people IMO....it is getting bad really bad now.


That may be the case. But it's got sod all to do with a rape case!

But this thread is about a hospital hiding a sick serviceman Nick??


Read Tom the eagles post at 9.54

 

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Quote nickgusset at 26 Sep 2015 11.50am

Quote susmik at 26 Sep 2015 11.48am

Quote nickgusset at 26 Sep 2015 11.02am

Quote susmik at 26 Sep 2015 10.52am

Quote sydtheeagle at 26 Sep 2015 10.37am

Quote nickgusset at 26 Sep 2015 10.22am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 26 Sep 2015 9.52am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 26 Sep 2015 9.49am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 26 Sep 2015 9.46am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 26 Sep 2015 9.36am

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How pathetic........ if anything this man should have received better treatment as a serving officer of our armed forces, not hidden away for fear of offending other "cultures".

This sort of stuff makes my blood boil.........

How dare you even say that Hoof - really you should show far more respect than that. I do believe you must be a racist for even starting a thread like this. Besides, to serve in the British armed forces means that he must have been racist too.


Some people will see it like that Tom!


I wonder how the guy who just appeared on Sky news this mornings will see it?

Still, it was probably the fault of the 9 year old girl. Raping c@nt

[Link]


Edited by Tom-the-eagle (26 Sep 2015 9.57am)

WTF has that got to do with a bad decision by a hospital?

Mods have a word. This is just Muslim bashing.


Edited by nickgusset (26 Sep 2015 10.28am)


Is the correct answer. Apparently no one read the article or, if they did, they looked at the picture but couldn't actually read.


Is not the correct answer and I read the complete article.
it quotes:
“This employee was acting in good faith because previously, there had been an altercation between a member of the public and a different member of the armed forces in uniform.”

If that was the case previously then the notice should have been made more prominent, where I might add is in any doctors or hospital, that anyone causing a problem will be asked to leave, and this means anyone. So if some objects to a member of the armed forces being there and picks on them, then that person should be ejected and let the service man sit in peace. I am afraid this country is bending and leaning towards ANYONE but the right people IMO....it is getting bad really bad now.


That may be the case. But it's got sod all to do with a rape case!

But this thread is about a hospital hiding a sick serviceman Nick??


Read Tom the eagles post at 9.54

My posts are to do with the serviceman in hospital and NOTHING to do with any rape case Nick.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 26 Sep 15 12.00pm

Quote susmik at 26 Sep 2015 11.55am

Quote nickgusset at 26 Sep 2015 11.50am

Quote susmik at 26 Sep 2015 11.48am

Quote nickgusset at 26 Sep 2015 11.02am

Quote susmik at 26 Sep 2015 10.52am

Quote sydtheeagle at 26 Sep 2015 10.37am

Quote nickgusset at 26 Sep 2015 10.22am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 26 Sep 2015 9.52am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 26 Sep 2015 9.49am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 26 Sep 2015 9.46am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 26 Sep 2015 9.36am

[Link]

How pathetic........ if anything this man should have received better treatment as a serving officer of our armed forces, not hidden away for fear of offending other "cultures".

This sort of stuff makes my blood boil.........

How dare you even say that Hoof - really you should show far more respect than that. I do believe you must be a racist for even starting a thread like this. Besides, to serve in the British armed forces means that he must have been racist too.


Some people will see it like that Tom!


I wonder how the guy who just appeared on Sky news this mornings will see it?

Still, it was probably the fault of the 9 year old girl. Raping c@nt

[Link]


Edited by Tom-the-eagle (26 Sep 2015 9.57am)

WTF has that got to do with a bad decision by a hospital?

Mods have a word. This is just Muslim bashing.


Edited by nickgusset (26 Sep 2015 10.28am)


Is the correct answer. Apparently no one read the article or, if they did, they looked at the picture but couldn't actually read.


Is not the correct answer and I read the complete article.
it quotes:
“This employee was acting in good faith because previously, there had been an altercation between a member of the public and a different member of the armed forces in uniform.”

If that was the case previously then the notice should have been made more prominent, where I might add is in any doctors or hospital, that anyone causing a problem will be asked to leave, and this means anyone. So if some objects to a member of the armed forces being there and picks on them, then that person should be ejected and let the service man sit in peace. I am afraid this country is bending and leaning towards ANYONE but the right people IMO....it is getting bad really bad now.


That may be the case. But it's got sod all to do with a rape case!

But this thread is about a hospital hiding a sick serviceman Nick??


Read Tom the eagles post at 9.54

My posts are to do with the serviceman in hospital and NOTHING to do with any rape case Nick.

I know. But Tom the eagles was. That was my point, it's nothing to do with the hospital but he saw it as an opportunity for a bit of Muslim bashing.

 

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Hoof Hearted 26 Sep 15 12.46pm

Let's not water down the serious nature of what happened in the hospital by deflecting attention away from it, by saying we are muslim bashing.

The article does not say that the culture in question was muslim, but I rather suspect it was muslim's feelings about servicemen that were being "spared".

It says a lot about our society that already two of you on here are more outraged that a link has been made to a Muslim rape case than the blatant disregard for the feelings of an injured serviceman that cannot even go to hospital in his uniform for fear of reprisal or abuse by secular members of our society.

It also stiffens my resolve to campaign for no more "asylum seekers/economic migrants" to be allowed to settle here as their culture does not dovetail with our own.

 

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Hoof Hearted 26 Sep 15 1.00pm

Quote sydtheeagle at 26 Sep 2015 11.15am

NHS employee uses initiative and makes judgment call to head off anticipated problem. OK, so even if the wrong judgment call was made, no real harm was done and isn't that the sort of independent-thinking, proactive behaviour all you right wingers are screaming is needed in the NHS?


Wrong.

When the first incident happened, the aggressor should have been reprimanded, and detained until the police arrived to arrest him. If found guilty he should be deported.

Notices should have been put up in the hospital to warn others that this disgusting behaviour will not be tolerated.

When this latest RAF sergeant arrived he should have been seen immediately and treated like a hero.

Instead he is treated like a second class citizen by idiots that don't deserve to be working in our hospitals if they believed what they did was acceptable.

The NHS need to brief their staff to be proud of our servicemen and women and treat them with respect.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 26 Sep 15 1.00pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 26 Sep 2015 12.46pm

Let's not water down the serious nature of what happened in the hospital by deflecting attention away from it, by saying we are muslim bashing.

The article does not say that the culture in question was muslim, but I rather suspect it was muslim's feelings about servicemen that were being "spared".

It says a lot about our society that already two of you on here are more outraged that a link has been made to a Muslim rape case than the blatant disregard for the feelings of an injured serviceman that cannot even go to hospital in his uniform for fear of reprisal or abuse by secular members of our society.

It also stiffens my resolve to campaign for no more "asylum seekers/economic migrants" to be allowed to settle here as their culture does not dovetail with our own.

I've already said it was a bad decision. The hospital trust has said it was a bad decision.

What I object to is the linking of 2 unrelated events to justify having a go at Muslims.
It fosters false stereotypes that the ignorant buy into.


 

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sydtheeagle Flag England 26 Sep 15 1.20pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Quote Hoof Hearted at 26 Sep 2015 1.00pm

Quote sydtheeagle at 26 Sep 2015 11.15am

NHS employee uses initiative and makes judgment call to head off anticipated problem. OK, so even if the wrong judgment call was made, no real harm was done and isn't that the sort of independent-thinking, proactive behaviour all you right wingers are screaming is needed in the NHS?


Wrong.

When the first incident happened, the aggressor should have been reprimanded, and detained until the police arrived to arrest him. If found guilty he should be deported.

Notices should have been put up in the hospital to warn others that this disgusting behaviour will not be tolerated.

When this latest RAF sergeant arrived he should have been seen immediately and treated like a hero.

Instead he is treated like a second class citizen by idiots that don't deserve to be working in our hospitals if they believed what they did was acceptable.

The NHS need to brief their staff to be proud of our servicemen and women and treat them with respect.

Actually, not wrong. Because none of those things did happen. So by all means blame the NHS administrators for failing to handle the first incident efficiently but my point still stands: an individual NHS employee used their initiative and made a judgment call to head off an anticipated problem. So even if the wrong judgment call was made, no real harm was done and isn't that the sort of independent-thinking, proactive behaviour all you right wingers are screaming is needed in the NHS?

No wrong was done in this incident by the staff involved. There is an argument, however, that in the light of previous experience, a policy should have been implemented that they could follow. Being proud of one's servicemen and trying to avoid trouble in E/R are not mutually exclusive. I'm quite sure the employee took the action they did in what they thought were the interests of everyone's safety. It may have been a bad decision, but that doesn't make it a disrespectful one. Furthermore, the solider was not treated like a second class citizen. I don't know how many ERs you've been in, but being taken out of the waiting room and into the ward is significant plus in comfort terms in my experience.

Lastly, we don't know that notices weren't posted and the presence of notices hardly makes it less likely that trouble will break out amongst those who have a desire to cause it. Should they have put a big sign on the World Trade Center saying "Terrorist Attacks Forbidden"? Someone used their judgment in what they thought was the appropriate way. Get over it.


Edited by sydtheeagle (26 Sep 2015 1.21pm)

 


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Quote nickgusset at 26 Sep 2015 1.00pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 26 Sep 2015 12.46pm

Let's not water down the serious nature of what happened in the hospital by deflecting attention away from it, by saying we are muslim bashing.

The article does not say that the culture in question was muslim, but I rather suspect it was muslim's feelings about servicemen that were being "spared".

It says a lot about our society that already two of you on here are more outraged that a link has been made to a Muslim rape case than the blatant disregard for the feelings of an injured serviceman that cannot even go to hospital in his uniform for fear of reprisal or abuse by secular members of our society.

It also stiffens my resolve to campaign for no more "asylum seekers/economic migrants" to be allowed to settle here as their culture does not dovetail with our own.

I've already said it was a bad decision. The hospital trust has said it was a bad decision.

What I object to is the linking of 2 unrelated events to justify having a go at Muslims.
It fosters false stereotypes that the ignorant buy into.



Your right of course. It makes all servicemen & women look like murdering, raping, sadists, of which they clearly all are not !!

 


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Quote Hoof Hearted at 26 Sep 2015 12.46pm

Let's not water down the serious nature of what happened in the hospital by deflecting attention away from it, by saying we are muslim bashing.

The article does not say that the culture in question was muslim, but I rather suspect it was muslim's feelings about servicemen that were being "spared".

It says a lot about our society that already two of you on here are more outraged that a link has been made to a Muslim rape case than the blatant disregard for the feelings of an injured serviceman that cannot even go to hospital in his uniform for fear of reprisal or abuse by secular members of our society.

It also stiffens my resolve to campaign for no more "asylum seekers/economic migrants" to be allowed to settle here as their culture does not dovetail with our own.

People can 'rather suspect' what they like and it may have been a muslim, but it could've been someone of a different culture or otherwise who was generally anti war, iraq war or whatever. We can all agree that it's monumentally stupid to confront someone sick in a hospital bed and to let that dictate what happened to the Sgt, but it's hardly sensible to let it influence your feelings about muslims or 'asylum seekers' based on this incident. An incident where we don't even yet know a thing about what happened previously.

You fail to see that glossing over a completely random 'muslim rapist' story, before then yourself saying that you suspect a muslim was involved and it has 'stiffened your resolve' contributes to this cycle. Let's stop using victims of mistreatment to score points because we see how well that works out. Sadly some of you are much too close in behaviour to the very people you appear to dislike or despise.

Edited by oldcodger (26 Sep 2015 3.34pm)

 

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