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ambrose7 Flag Croydon 09 Jul 15 11.11am Send a Private Message to ambrose7 Add ambrose7 as a friend

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Very good budget for some, not if you are under 25 or unable to work.

I don't understand by wealthily pensioners get a free TV licence, can't it be means tested?

If we are desperate to balance the budget, why are we reducing income from inheritance tax and corporation tax? Why not wait until the budget has been balanced before doing this?

And, why announce that next week there will be a vote effectively ending the fox hunting ban on the same day as the budget? It's as if they have something to hide.


Couldn't agree more - just don't understand why they are pushing through the tax cuts during a period of austerity (and that's from someone probably veering towards the right on the HOL).

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If you scroll to the bottom of the table on this link, it shows the corporation tax averages across the world. As you will see, the cuts we are going to introduce just follow the trend across the world over the last few years, and indeed recent decades.

Rather than a cut, it's more just keeping up with everyone else. Corporation tax is more so than ever a massive area of competition for countries so is more influenced by market forces than the independent will of the nation.

I'd assume that's the thinking anyway

 


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npn Flag Crowborough 09 Jul 15 11.14am Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Quote Willo at 09 Jul 2015 10.56am

Quote npn at 09 Jul 2015 10.46am

Quote topcat at 09 Jul 2015 9.56am

Very good budget for some, not if you are under 25 or unable to work.

I don't understand by wealthily pensioners get a free TV licence, can't it be means tested?

If we are desperate to balance the budget, why are we reducing income from inheritance tax and corporation tax? Why not wait until the budget has been balanced before doing this?

And, why announce that next week there will be a vote effectively ending the fox hunting ban on the same day as the budget? It's as if they have something to hide.


Couldn't agree more - just don't understand why they are pushing through the tax cuts during a period of austerity (and that's from someone probably veering towards the right on the HOL).


Got to consider the wider 'Framework' of job creation and a competitive Britain.

We have already taken the 'Corporation tax' rate to the lowest in the G20 and aligned it for large and small businesses, but the feeling is that we simply cannot afford to stand still hence the further cut.


Inheritance tax has no impact on competitiveness, it's just a gimme.

I'm all for trimming down where we can, but everyone would understand if Osborne said "no tax cuts at the moment, let's get our house in order first". Corporation tax I get, encouraging businesses to set up here (where they have a choice) but individual taxation reduction, nah, can't support it at the moment. Once the books are balanced yeah, I'd like to pay minimal tax, just not now.

 

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npn Flag Crowborough 09 Jul 15 11.15am Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Quote ambrose7 at 09 Jul 2015 11.11am

Quote npn at 09 Jul 2015 10.46am

Quote topcat at 09 Jul 2015 9.56am

Very good budget for some, not if you are under 25 or unable to work.

I don't understand by wealthily pensioners get a free TV licence, can't it be means tested?

If we are desperate to balance the budget, why are we reducing income from inheritance tax and corporation tax? Why not wait until the budget has been balanced before doing this?

And, why announce that next week there will be a vote effectively ending the fox hunting ban on the same day as the budget? It's as if they have something to hide.


Couldn't agree more - just don't understand why they are pushing through the tax cuts during a period of austerity (and that's from someone probably veering towards the right on the HOL).

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If you scroll to the bottom of the table on this link, it shows the corporation tax averages across the world. As you will see, the cuts we are going to introduce just follow the trend across the world over the last few years, and indeed recent decades.

Rather than a cut, it's more just keeping up with everyone else. Corporation tax is more so than ever a massive area of competition for countries so is more influenced by market forces than the independent will of the nation.

I'd assume that's the thinking anyway


Yes - corp tax I get, just personal tax and inheritance tax I don't get (as I said,m at the moment)

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 09 Jul 15 11.57am

I think that there is still a very strong 'belief' in the trickle down effect, which forms the basis of most validation of tax cuts (that if people have more money they'll spend more money, and that feeds back into the economy and to people at all levels).

Doesn't actually work in practice, though it sounds good in theory.

Corporation Tax is a very sticky ground in terms of determining whether or not its of a benefit to lower. Again people raise the idea of competitiveness and encouraging business into the UK, but most of those who benefit from this won't leave the UK either, or are tied to profits from the UK Markets.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 09 Jul 15 12.05pm

There are three approaches to taxation, that can be presented successfully.

1) Low tax, low government spending
2) Reasonable tax, reasonable spending
3) High Tax, High Spending

All of these are only successful for certain demographics. In the first low spending means poor education, negligible public spending, high poverty impact.

The second is a myth.

The third tends to limit investment, innovation and business attraction.

In reality for any of them to work, the government needs to spend wisely, and publically state what they will be providing and not providing.

For example, paying higher taxes can be sold to a public, that gets great returns on education from the state, because whilst the wealthy are paying more tax - they don't need to worry about things like private education, university fees etc. Low tax works fine if the public is happy spending most of that on things like welfare programs, state infrastructure, education etc rather than expensive defense projects and everything being means tested (ie state education is only for those who can't afford it).

The problem has always really been that successive governments claim they can provide the benefits of a high taxation system spending, whilst minimizing taxation.

 


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OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 09 Jul 15 12.10pm Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

It's a decent budget but does definitely hit the smallest and poorest hardest.

Small businesses for example will lose advantages over big business and will also suffer from additional tax on dividends, now the dividend credit system has been eliminated.

And a lot of the key policies are simply stolen from Labour - see "living wage".

Fair to say it is definitely a corporatist budget (good for big business - reduction in corporation tax and bank levy for example), but is largely sensible.

 


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kennybrowns leftfoot Flag Reigate 09 Jul 15 12.20pm Send a Private Message to kennybrowns leftfoot Add kennybrowns leftfoot as a friend

Nice to see the Tories continue there assault on the emergency services.... 1% pay increase frozen for four years..

You're all heart George.. Thanks mate.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 09 Jul 15 12.24pm

Quote Willo at 09 Jul 2015 10.56am

Quote npn at 09 Jul 2015 10.46am

Quote topcat at 09 Jul 2015 9.56am

Very good budget for some, not if you are under 25 or unable to work.

I don't understand by wealthily pensioners get a free TV licence, can't it be means tested?

If we are desperate to balance the budget, why are we reducing income from inheritance tax and corporation tax? Why not wait until the budget has been balanced before doing this?

And, why announce that next week there will be a vote effectively ending the fox hunting ban on the same day as the budget? It's as if they have something to hide.


Couldn't agree more - just don't understand why they are pushing through the tax cuts during a period of austerity (and that's from someone probably veering towards the right on the HOL).


Got to consider the wider 'Framework' of job creation and a competitive Britain.

We have already taken the 'Corporation tax' rate to the lowest in the G20 and aligned it for large and small businesses, but the feeling is that we simply cannot afford to stand still hence the further cut.


Is this something to do with the bulls*** called trickle down economics?

 

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johnfirewall Flag 09 Jul 15 12.40pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

All seems pretty common sense.

No housing benefit for under 21s. I had mates who moved out of happy family homes because they could get a place for nothing. It's unproductive and halts any aspiration to actually get a job to get your own place.

£9 living wage, even if it hits companies profits who have minimised their tax exposure on those anyway, a no-lose.

Capping child benefit. Hoepfully a return to an era when people would have kids only when they were financially stable rather than having 12 for the rest of us to pay for.

No social housing over £30k. I can't believe you were previously allowed to earn anywhere near that much.

Cut on tax relief on buy-to-let mortgages. Another thing I'm shocked to hear actually existed.

Boost to cadet units in schools is a great idea.

Pension increase to Vicotria and George Cross recipients, could have been extended to the wider forces.

Student grants replaced by loans (loan increased). Half of all the debt is never repaid anyway. I don't want to agree that it keeps poor kids out of education, as I my grant was just beer money but I'd favour moves that actually see people encouraged to get a job like apprenticeships.

The reaction from Labour predictably only mentions benefit cuts and not the actual benefit delivered to working families. It goes to show really what they're all about and what the voters want them to be about and thus why I'm thankful every day for a Tory majority government.

 

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johnfirewall Flag 09 Jul 15 12.42pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Quote kennybrowns leftfoot at 09 Jul 2015 12.20pm

Nice to see the Tories continue there assault on the emergency services.... 1% pay increase frozen for four years..

You're all heart George.. Thanks mate.


A guaranteed 1% a year is more than most.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 09 Jul 15 12.55pm

Quote johnfirewall at 09 Jul 2015 12.40pm

All seems pretty common sense.

No housing benefit for under 21s. I had mates who moved out of happy family homes because they could get a place for nothing. It's unproductive and halts any aspiration to actually get a job to get your own place.

£9 living wage, even if it hits companies profits who have minimised their tax exposure on those anyway, a no-lose.

Capping child benefit. Hoepfully a return to an era when people would have kids only when they were financially stable rather than having 12 for the rest of us to pay for.

No social housing over £30k. I can't believe you were previously allowed to earn anywhere near that much.

Cut on tax relief on buy-to-let mortgages. Another thing I'm shocked to hear actually existed.

Boost to cadet units in schools is a great idea.

Pension increase to Vicotria and George Cross recipients, could have been extended to the wider forces.

Student grants replaced by loans (loan increased). Half of all the debt is never repaid anyway. I don't want to agree that it keeps poor kids out of education, as I my grant was just beer money but I'd favour moves that actually see people encouraged to get a job like apprenticeships.

The reaction from Labour predictably only mentions benefit cuts and not the actual benefit delivered to working families. It goes to show really what they're all about and what the voters want them to be about and thus why I'm thankful every day for a Tory majority government.

There isn't a lot about it, at first glance that concerns me. The only issue I can see is the cut of tax credits occurring before the raising of minimum wage - and that minimum wage is a national, rather than regionally defined.

I suspect the idea that idea that employers will spend their cuts on wages and staff won't actually materialize in anyway, as demand and competition tend to drive wages.

There is a concern regarding the minimum wage raises being for 25 and overs, as plenty of young people have to exist and survive without the comfort of family to fall back on.

The rest is fairly standard fare, nothing exciting but nothing controversial

 


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Quote johnfirewall at 09 Jul 2015 12.42pm

Quote kennybrowns leftfoot at 09 Jul 2015 12.20pm

Nice to see the Tories continue there assault on the emergency services.... 1% pay increase frozen for four years..

You're all heart George.. Thanks mate.


A guaranteed 1% a year is more than most.

And you know this how?

 


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