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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 20 May 15 9.40am
Quote matt_himself at 20 May 2015 4.35am It was the right thing to do to continue the peace. Goodness only knows what Charles was thinking when he met Adams, who probably sanctioned the killing of his uncle. My preference would be for Adams to be locked away for the rest of his life, however this process has to be adhered to and stuck to, despite the unsavoury pasts of some of those, on both sides, who are now viewed as 'elder statesmen'. EFA the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 20 May 15 9.40am

Quote matt_himself at 20 May 2015 4.35am

It was the right thing to do to continue the peace.

Goodness only knows what Charles was thinking when he met Adams, who probably sanctioned the killing of his uncle.

My preference would be for Adams to be locked away for the rest of his life, however this process has to be adhered to and stuck to, despite the unsavoury pasts of some of those, on both sides, who are now viewed as 'elder statesmen'.

EFA

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Lombardos barber 20 May 15 9.40am
Quote derben at 20 May 2015 7.48am Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 7.30am Great from both sides. How could it not be? The people of NI deserve a chance at proper peace (and an end to dissident republicanism and loyalist criminality). Just the loyalists are 'criminal' then? "Criminal" as in the loyalist "cause" now is basically thuggery. DRs still pose a threat to peace through terrorism.
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Quote derben at 20 May 2015 7.48am

Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 7.30am

Great from both sides.

How could it not be?

The people of NI deserve a chance at proper peace (and an end to dissident republicanism and loyalist criminality).

Just the loyalists are 'criminal' then?

"Criminal" as in the loyalist "cause" now is basically thuggery.

DRs still pose a threat to peace through terrorism.

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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 20 May 15 9.55am
Quote matt_himself at 20 May 2015 4.35am It was the right thing to do to continue the peace. Goodness only knows what Charles was thinking when he met Adams, who probably knows who killed his uncle. My preference would be for Adams to be locked away for the rest of his life, however this process has to be adhered to and stuck to, despite the unsavoury pasts of some of those, on both sides, who are now viewed as 'elder statesmen'. There is a first time for everything! Good post. It's not easy, not for either of them or for a lot of people watching, but it's the right thing to do if people are going to move on. Still a long way to go though. It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
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topcat

Holmesdale / Surbiton 20 May 15 9.55am

Quote matt_himself at 20 May 2015 4.35am

It was the right thing to do to continue the peace.

Goodness only knows what Charles was thinking when he met Adams, who probably knows who killed his uncle.

There is a first time for everything! Good post.

It's not easy, not for either of them or for a lot of people watching, but it's the right thing to do if people are going to move on.

Still a long way to go though.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

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derben 20 May 15 10.11am
Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 9.40am Quote derben at 20 May 2015 7.48am Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 7.30am Great from both sides. How could it not be? The people of NI deserve a chance at proper peace (and an end to dissident republicanism and loyalist criminality). Just the loyalists are 'criminal' then? "Criminal" as in the loyalist "cause" now is basically thuggery. DRs still pose a threat to peace through terrorism. But the nice IRA are not thugs?
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derben

20 May 15 10.11am

Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 9.40am

Quote derben at 20 May 2015 7.48am

Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 7.30am

Great from both sides.

How could it not be?

The people of NI deserve a chance at proper peace (and an end to dissident republicanism and loyalist criminality).

Just the loyalists are 'criminal' then?

"Criminal" as in the loyalist "cause" now is basically thuggery.

DRs still pose a threat to peace through terrorism.

But the nice IRA are not thugs?

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jamiemartin721 Reading 20 May 15 10.32am
Quote derben at 20 May 2015 10.11am Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 9.40am Quote derben at 20 May 2015 7.48am Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 7.30am Great from both sides. How could it not be? The people of NI deserve a chance at proper peace (and an end to dissident republicanism and loyalist criminality). Just the loyalists are 'criminal' then? "Criminal" as in the loyalist "cause" now is basically thuggery. DRs still pose a threat to peace through terrorism. But the nice IRA are not thugs? I think they're largely organized crime gangs now for the most part (there isn't too much in the way of employment opportunities for their skill sets). For the most part the Provisional IRA still exist at its core but in compliance with the Good Friday Agreement, similarly the same with the loyalist groups. Problem is what do you do with 'freedom fighters' whos only skills are intimidation, assassination, moving contraband, blowing s*** up and spending time in prison. Hence once peace is achieved most 'terrorist/freedom fighters/resistance groups' drift into organized crime. However they still have their ridiculous offshoots. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 20 May 15 10.32am

Quote derben at 20 May 2015 10.11am

Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 9.40am

Quote derben at 20 May 2015 7.48am

Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 7.30am

Great from both sides.

How could it not be?

The people of NI deserve a chance at proper peace (and an end to dissident republicanism and loyalist criminality).

Just the loyalists are 'criminal' then?

"Criminal" as in the loyalist "cause" now is basically thuggery.

DRs still pose a threat to peace through terrorism.

But the nice IRA are not thugs?

I think they're largely organized crime gangs now for the most part (there isn't too much in the way of employment opportunities for their skill sets). For the most part the Provisional IRA still exist at its core but in compliance with the Good Friday Agreement, similarly the same with the loyalist groups.

Problem is what do you do with 'freedom fighters' whos only skills are intimidation, assassination, moving contraband, blowing s*** up and spending time in prison. Hence once peace is achieved most 'terrorist/freedom fighters/resistance groups' drift into organized crime.

However they still have their ridiculous offshoots.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Lombardos barber 20 May 15 10.39am
Quote derben at 20 May 2015 10.11am Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 9.40am Quote derben at 20 May 2015 7.48am Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 7.30am Great from both sides. How could it not be? The people of NI deserve a chance at proper peace (and an end to dissident republicanism and loyalist criminality). Just the loyalists are 'criminal' then? "Criminal" as in the loyalist "cause" now is basically thuggery. DRs still pose a threat to peace through terrorism. But the nice IRA are not thugs? Eh??? What??? Hilarious comment, utterly hilarious!! Is that what i said!! Buffoonary!!! Read a newspaper every now and again Sir! Ill explain it to you nice and simply. Loyalist groups, in the main, are no longer engaged in terrorism... they are largely driven by self-interest, maintaining control of their communities through fear, extortion and drugs. Crime and thuggery. They use the peace process as a vehicle to make money. Dissident Republicans are still engaged in terrorism and the planning of terrorist attacks. Do they enagage in criminal activity... of course. Are they nice people? Not in my eyes. Do they represent the biggest threat to the peace process? Probably.
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Lombardos barber

20 May 15 10.39am

Quote derben at 20 May 2015 10.11am

Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 9.40am

Quote derben at 20 May 2015 7.48am

Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 7.30am

Great from both sides.

How could it not be?

The people of NI deserve a chance at proper peace (and an end to dissident republicanism and loyalist criminality).

Just the loyalists are 'criminal' then?

"Criminal" as in the loyalist "cause" now is basically thuggery.

DRs still pose a threat to peace through terrorism.

But the nice IRA are not thugs?

Eh??? What??? Hilarious comment, utterly hilarious!! Is that what i said!! Buffoonary!!! Read a newspaper every now and again Sir!

Ill explain it to you nice and simply.

Loyalist groups, in the main, are no longer engaged in terrorism... they are largely driven by self-interest, maintaining control of their communities through fear, extortion and drugs. Crime and thuggery. They use the peace process as a vehicle to make money.

Dissident Republicans are still engaged in terrorism and the planning of terrorist attacks. Do they enagage in criminal activity... of course. Are they nice people? Not in my eyes. Do they represent the biggest threat to the peace process? Probably.

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Hoof Hearted 20 May 15 10.41am
It just goes to show that time is a great healer. I'm sure Diana's family will forgive Charles in time.
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Hoof Hearted 20 May 15 10.41am

It just goes to show that time is a great healer.

I'm sure Diana's family will forgive Charles in time.

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derben 20 May 15 10.43am
Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 10.39am Quote derben at 20 May 2015 10.11am Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 9.40am Quote derben at 20 May 2015 7.48am Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 7.30am Great from both sides. How could it not be? The people of NI deserve a chance at proper peace (and an end to dissident republicanism and loyalist criminality). Just the loyalists are 'criminal' then? "Criminal" as in the loyalist "cause" now is basically thuggery. DRs still pose a threat to peace through terrorism. But the nice IRA are not thugs? Eh??? What??? Hilarious comment, utterly hilarious!! Is that what i said!! Buffoonary!!! Read a newspaper every now and again Sir! Ill explain it to you nice and simply. Loyalist groups, in the main, are no longer engaged in terrorism... they are largely driven by self-interest, maintaining control of their communities through fear, extortion and drugs. Crime and thuggery. They use the peace process as a vehicle to make money. Dissident Republicans are still engaged in terrorism and the planning of terrorist attacks. Do they enagage in criminal activity... of course. Are they nice people? Not in my eyes. Do they represent the biggest threat to the peace process? Probably. Good, we agree then. Perhaps you might consider applying the use of adjectives like 'criminal' and 'thugs' to both sides when discussing them. The left has always kind of implied that the Loyalists criminals and thugs were somehow worse than the Republican criminals and thugs.
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derben

20 May 15 10.43am

Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 10.39am

Quote derben at 20 May 2015 10.11am

Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 9.40am

Quote derben at 20 May 2015 7.48am

Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 7.30am

Great from both sides.

How could it not be?

The people of NI deserve a chance at proper peace (and an end to dissident republicanism and loyalist criminality).

Just the loyalists are 'criminal' then?

"Criminal" as in the loyalist "cause" now is basically thuggery.

DRs still pose a threat to peace through terrorism.

But the nice IRA are not thugs?

Eh??? What??? Hilarious comment, utterly hilarious!! Is that what i said!! Buffoonary!!! Read a newspaper every now and again Sir!

Ill explain it to you nice and simply.

Good, we agree then. Perhaps you might consider applying the use of adjectives like 'criminal' and 'thugs' to both sides when discussing them. The left has always kind of implied that the Loyalists criminals and thugs were somehow worse than the Republican criminals and thugs.

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Kermit8 Hevon 20 May 15 11.58am
Quote derben at 20 May 2015 10.43am Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 10.39am Quote derben at 20 May 2015 10.11am Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 9.40am Quote derben at 20 May 2015 7.48am Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 7.30am Great from both sides. How could it not be? The people of NI deserve a chance at proper peace (and an end to dissident republicanism and loyalist criminality). Just the loyalists are 'criminal' then? "Criminal" as in the loyalist "cause" now is basically thuggery. DRs still pose a threat to peace through terrorism. But the nice IRA are not thugs? Eh??? What??? Hilarious comment, utterly hilarious!! Is that what i said!! Buffoonary!!! Read a newspaper every now and again Sir! Ill explain it to you nice and simply. Loyalist groups, in the main, are no longer engaged in terrorism... they are largely driven by self-interest, maintaining control of their communities through fear, extortion and drugs. Crime and thuggery. They use the peace process as a vehicle to make money. Dissident Republicans are still engaged in terrorism and the planning of terrorist attacks. Do they enagage in criminal activity... of course. Are they nice people? Not in my eyes. Do they represent the biggest threat to the peace process? Probably. Good, we agree then. Perhaps you might consider applying the use of adjectives like 'criminal' and 'thugs' to both sides when discussing them. The left has always kind of implied that the Loyalists criminals and thugs were somehow worse than the Republican criminals and thugs. They were far worse just before and at the beginning of the troubles - Attacking the civil rights movement, Bombay Street, etc - but it evened itself out over time via the IRA. The Paras also indulged with The Springhill Massacre and Bloody Sunday and one or two other incidents as did, obviously, the INLA, UDA, UFF, Shankill Butchers. No innocent parties in this conflict and those who think one side is more heroic than the other are just sentimental fools. What isn't in doubt by is that thuggery and criminality aside - the IRA were an incredibly tough, intelligent and highly capable group of terrorists as has been recognised by those who had to take them on. Nothing to be proud of but they were, unfortunately, effective. Heard one of their bombs go off in East Dulwich. Stays with me to this day the sound of it. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 20 May 15 11.58am

Quote derben at 20 May 2015 10.43am

Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 10.39am

Quote derben at 20 May 2015 10.11am

Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 9.40am

Quote derben at 20 May 2015 7.48am

Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 7.30am

Great from both sides.

How could it not be?

The people of NI deserve a chance at proper peace (and an end to dissident republicanism and loyalist criminality).

Just the loyalists are 'criminal' then?

"Criminal" as in the loyalist "cause" now is basically thuggery.

DRs still pose a threat to peace through terrorism.

But the nice IRA are not thugs?

Eh??? What??? Hilarious comment, utterly hilarious!! Is that what i said!! Buffoonary!!! Read a newspaper every now and again Sir!

Ill explain it to you nice and simply.

Good, we agree then. Perhaps you might consider applying the use of adjectives like 'criminal' and 'thugs' to both sides when discussing them. The left has always kind of implied that the Loyalists criminals and thugs were somehow worse than the Republican criminals and thugs.

They were far worse just before and at the beginning of the troubles - Attacking the civil rights movement, Bombay Street, etc - but it evened itself out over time via the IRA. The Paras also indulged with The Springhill Massacre and Bloody Sunday and one or two other incidents as did, obviously, the INLA, UDA, UFF, Shankill Butchers. No innocent parties in this conflict and those who think one side is more heroic than the other are just sentimental fools.

What isn't in doubt by is that thuggery and criminality aside - the IRA were an incredibly tough, intelligent and highly capable group of terrorists as has been recognised by those who had to take them on.

Nothing to be proud of but they were, unfortunately, effective.

Heard one of their bombs go off in East Dulwich. Stays with me to this day the sound of it.

Big chest and massive boobs

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rob1969 Banstead Surrey 20 May 15 1.38pm
Quote derben at 20 May 2015 7.48am Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 7.30am Great from both sides. How could it not be? The people of NI deserve a chance at proper peace (and an end to dissident republicanism and loyalist criminality). Just the loyalists are 'criminal' then? Well you wouldn't expect to find a republican dealing in drugs - or protection, would you - well would you?
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Banstead Surrey 20 May 15 1.38pm

Quote derben at 20 May 2015 7.48am

Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 7.30am

Great from both sides.

How could it not be?

The people of NI deserve a chance at proper peace (and an end to dissident republicanism and loyalist criminality).

Just the loyalists are 'criminal' then?

Well you wouldn't expect to find a republican dealing in drugs - or protection, would you - well would you?

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Stuk Top half 20 May 15 3.51pm
32 seconds in. [Link] Never fails to make me laugh. Edited by Stuk (20 May 2015 3.52pm) Optimistic as ever
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32 seconds in.

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Never fails to make me laugh.

Edited by Stuk (20 May 2015 3.52pm)

Optimistic as ever

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 20 May 15 4.03pm
Quote Kermit8 at 20 May 2015 11.58am Quote derben at 20 May 2015 10.43am Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 10.39am Quote derben at 20 May 2015 10.11am Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 9.40am Quote derben at 20 May 2015 7.48am Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 7.30am Great from both sides. How could it not be? The people of NI deserve a chance at proper peace (and an end to dissident republicanism and loyalist criminality). Just the loyalists are 'criminal' then? "Criminal" as in the loyalist "cause" now is basically thuggery. DRs still pose a threat to peace through terrorism. But the nice IRA are not thugs? Eh??? What??? Hilarious comment, utterly hilarious!! Is that what i said!! Buffoonary!!! Read a newspaper every now and again Sir! Ill explain it to you nice and simply. Loyalist groups, in the main, are no longer engaged in terrorism... they are largely driven by self-interest, maintaining control of their communities through fear, extortion and drugs. Crime and thuggery. They use the peace process as a vehicle to make money. Dissident Republicans are still engaged in terrorism and the planning of terrorist attacks. Do they enagage in criminal activity... of course. Are they nice people? Not in my eyes. Do they represent the biggest threat to the peace process? Probably. Good, we agree then. Perhaps you might consider applying the use of adjectives like 'criminal' and 'thugs' to both sides when discussing them. The left has always kind of implied that the Loyalists criminals and thugs were somehow worse than the Republican criminals and thugs. They were far worse just before and at the beginning of the troubles - Attacking the civil rights movement, Bombay Street, etc - but it evened itself out over time via the IRA. The Paras also indulged with The Springhill Massacre and Bloody Sunday and one or two other incidents as did, obviously, the INLA, UDA, UFF, Shankill Butchers. No innocent parties in this conflict and those who think one side is more heroic than the other are just sentimental fools. What isn't in doubt by is that thuggery and criminality aside - the IRA were an incredibly tough, intelligent and highly capable group of terrorists as has been recognised by those who had to take them on. Nothing to be proud of but they were, unfortunately, effective. Heard one of their bombs go off in East Dulwich. Stays with me to this day the sound of it. No it did not 'even itself out' The IRA are responsible for killing far more people that the republicans and that’s an undeniable fact Kermit. The IRA are reported to have killed roughly 4 time more people during the trouble. And no, I do not recognise them as being “incredibly tough, intelligent” just mindless thugs like their unionist counterparts. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 20 May 15 4.03pm

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Quote derben at 20 May 2015 10.43am

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Quote derben at 20 May 2015 10.11am

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Quote derben at 20 May 2015 7.48am

Quote Lombardos barber at 20 May 2015 7.30am

Great from both sides.

How could it not be?

The people of NI deserve a chance at proper peace (and an end to dissident republicanism and loyalist criminality).

Just the loyalists are 'criminal' then?

"Criminal" as in the loyalist "cause" now is basically thuggery.

DRs still pose a threat to peace through terrorism.

But the nice IRA are not thugs?

Eh??? What??? Hilarious comment, utterly hilarious!! Is that what i said!! Buffoonary!!! Read a newspaper every now and again Sir!

Ill explain it to you nice and simply.

Good, we agree then. Perhaps you might consider applying the use of adjectives like 'criminal' and 'thugs' to both sides when discussing them. The left has always kind of implied that the Loyalists criminals and thugs were somehow worse than the Republican criminals and thugs.

They were far worse just before and at the beginning of the troubles - Attacking the civil rights movement, Bombay Street, etc - but it evened itself out over time via the IRA. The Paras also indulged with The Springhill Massacre and Bloody Sunday and one or two other incidents as did, obviously, the INLA, UDA, UFF, Shankill Butchers. No innocent parties in this conflict and those who think one side is more heroic than the other are just sentimental fools.

Nothing to be proud of but they were, unfortunately, effective.

Heard one of their bombs go off in East Dulwich. Stays with me to this day the sound of it.

No it did not 'even itself out' The IRA are responsible for killing far more people that the republicans and that’s an undeniable fact Kermit. The IRA are reported to have killed roughly 4 time more people during the trouble. And no, I do not recognise them as being “incredibly tough, intelligent” just mindless thugs like their unionist counterparts.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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