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It's poor. They're all sh1te. The previous lot didn't have a glowing record of results on many things. In other words dependent upon the stat you're looking for they've all got shocking records. Just pick a topic! One might even dare to add that with more than half of homeless people considered to be immigrants, then the current statistics are as a direct result of the previous government's appalling immigration record. Just saying. Edit: sorry, just saw your kind of related post Becky Edited by moylerg (26 Feb 2015 8.22pm)
Net migration is 50000 higher this year than when the ConDems came to power, yet people still blame the Labour cunds...
And other parts of the world, even close to home, are still s***ty. Actually, a number of investment experts are suggesting that Europe and Japanese economies are due for out performance this year and next, as both are now in the early stages of quantative easing, or stimulating the economy, a tactic already employed in the US and UK. The immigration policy under both recent governments in the UK would have to be considered flawed by your measure Helmet, as both have presided over increased numbers. In Labour's defence, at least they never promised to reduce immigration and failed, unlike Cameron. However, the idea that immigration to ageing nations is negative doesn't bare scrutiny. Countries such as ourselves, Italy, Germany and especially Japan need taxpayers to support increasing numbers of pensioners, and the birth rate isn't supplying them. Japan, a far more insular country historically than the UK, is currently looking at ways of bringing in workers to settle, work and pay taxes to support their ageing population. We already have a supply of taxpayers from abroad who contribute far more than they take out; what's the problem with that?
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It's poor. They're all sh1te. The previous lot didn't have a glowing record of results on many things. In other words dependent upon the stat you're looking for they've all got shocking records. Just pick a topic! One might even dare to add that with more than half of homeless people considered to be immigrants, then the current statistics are as a direct result of the previous government's appalling immigration record. Just saying. Edit: sorry, just saw your kind of related post Becky Edited by moylerg (26 Feb 2015 8.22pm)
Net migration is 50000 higher this year than when the ConDems came to power, yet people still blame the Labour cunds...
And other parts of the world, even close to home, are still s***ty. ....that damned EU immigration, or free border crossing problem again. All too easy.
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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 26 Feb 15 10.04pm | |
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It's poor. They're all sh1te. The previous lot didn't have a glowing record of results on many things. In other words dependent upon the stat you're looking for they've all got shocking records. Just pick a topic! One might even dare to add that with more than half of homeless people considered to be immigrants, then the current statistics are as a direct result of the previous government's appalling immigration record. Just saying. Edit: sorry, just saw your kind of related post Becky Edited by moylerg (26 Feb 2015 8.22pm)
Net migration is 50000 higher this year than when the ConDems came to power, yet people still blame the Labour cunds...
And other parts of the world, even close to home, are still s***ty. Actually, a number of investment experts are suggesting that Europe and Japanese economies are due for out performance this year and next, as both are now in the early stages of quantative easing, or stimulating the economy, a tactic already employed in the US and UK. The immigration policy under both recent governments in the UK would have to be considered flawed by your measure Helmet, as both have presided over increased numbers. In Labour's defence, at least they never promised to reduce immigration and failed, unlike Cameron. However, the idea that immigration to ageing nations is negative doesn't bare scrutiny. Countries such as ourselves, Italy, Germany and especially Japan need taxpayers to support increasing numbers of pensioners, and the birth rate isn't supplying them. Japan, a far more insular country historically than the UK, is currently looking at ways of bringing in workers to settle, work and pay taxes to support their ageing population. We already have a supply of taxpayers from abroad who contribute far more than they take out; what's the problem with that?
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chris123 hove actually 26 Feb 15 10.18pm | |
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It's poor. They're all sh1te. The previous lot didn't have a glowing record of results on many things. In other words dependent upon the stat you're looking for they've all got shocking records. Just pick a topic! One might even dare to add that with more than half of homeless people considered to be immigrants, then the current statistics are as a direct result of the previous government's appalling immigration record. Just saying. Edit: sorry, just saw your kind of related post Becky Edited by moylerg (26 Feb 2015 8.22pm)
Net migration is 50000 higher this year than when the ConDems came to power, yet people still blame the Labour cunds...
And other parts of the world, even close to home, are still s***ty. Actually, a number of investment experts are suggesting that Europe and Japanese economies are due for out performance this year and next, as both are now in the early stages of quantative easing, or stimulating the economy, a tactic already employed in the US and UK. The immigration policy under both recent governments in the UK would have to be considered flawed by your measure Helmet, as both have presided over increased numbers. In Labour's defence, at least they never promised to reduce immigration and failed, unlike Cameron. However, the idea that immigration to ageing nations is negative doesn't bare scrutiny. Countries such as ourselves, Italy, Germany and especially Japan need taxpayers to support increasing numbers of pensioners, and the birth rate isn't supplying them. Japan, a far more insular country historically than the UK, is currently looking at ways of bringing in workers to settle, work and pay taxes to support their ageing population. We already have a supply of taxpayers from abroad who contribute far more than they take out; what's the problem with that?
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Stuk Top half 26 Feb 15 11.01pm | |
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If this is a government that wanted/promised to control net migration it compounds the argument that we can't, because of either UN or EU obligations. Even during the worst points of the recession net migration was high.
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legaleagle 26 Feb 15 11.49pm | |
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Not sure it does.Rather,I think the statistics weaken that argument.According to the figures published today, net more non EU immigrants came here in the 12 month period than EU immigrants and their numbers increased at a higher rate than net EU immigrants. Asylum seekers (though much spotlighted in parts of the press) have accounted for perhaps 20,000-30,000 people applying for (not necessarily being granted) asylum each year 2008-12,so factually a minority part of non EU immigration. So, whatever one's thoughts of the reasons for/merits/lack of merits about immigration,it would seem that the majority of the numbers concern wholly UK government set policies rather than the EU or UN. And from the non EU figures,it would also be relevant to strap out overseas students (hghly beneficial to the UK economy short and long term and crucial to keeping our universities afloat nowadays) and those working for "international" companies where significant numbers of Brits go to work abroad in similar circumstances as well. So,the average immigrant in the 12 month period may not be "Johnny new EU nation foreigner" The number of Romanians/Bulgarians who arrived were I think c.36,000,a much lower figure than the shock horror numbers confidently predicted beforehand in parts of the press.As the Daily Express put it in a headline in October 2012:"Now 29m Bulgarians and Romanians can soon move to Britain"
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becky over the moon 27 Feb 15 7.40am | |
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Quote legaleagle at 26 Feb 2015 11.49pm
Not sure it does.Rather,I think the statistics weaken that argument.According to the figures published today, net more non EU immigrants came here in the 12 month period than EU immigrants and their numbers increased at a higher rate than net EU immigrants. Asylum seekers (though much spotlighted in parts of the press) have accounted for perhaps 20,000-30,000 people applying for (not necessarily being granted) asylum each year 2008-12,so factually a minority part of non EU immigration. So, whatever one's thoughts of the reasons for/merits/lack of merits about immigration,it would seem that the majority of the numbers concern wholly UK government set policies rather than the EU or UN. And from the non EU figures,it would also be relevant to strap out overseas students (hghly beneficial to the UK economy short and long term and crucial to keeping our universities afloat nowadays) and those working for "international" companies where significant numbers of Brits go to work abroad in similar circumstances as well. The number of Romanians/Bulgarians who arrived were I think c.36,000,a much lower figure than the shock horror numbers confidently predicted beforehand in parts of the press.As the Daily Express put it in a headline in October 2012:"Now 29m Bulgarians and Romanians can soon move to Britain" Don't forget to add in all those poor old sods marrying their mail order Thai brides or hot Russian beauties, and the non-EU nationals getting in through 'arranged' marriages with EU nationals, which then gives them the right of residence .......
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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 27 Feb 15 8.38am | |
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Quote Helmet46 at 26 Feb 2015 8.17pm
It's poor. They're all sh1te. The previous lot didn't have a glowing record of results on many things. In other words dependent upon the stat you're looking for they've all got shocking records. Just pick a topic! One might even dare to add that with more than half of homeless people considered to be immigrants, then the current statistics are as a direct result of the previous government's appalling immigration record. Just saying. Edit: sorry, just saw your kind of related post Becky Edited by moylerg (26 Feb 2015 8.22pm)
Net migration is 50000 higher this year than when the ConDems came to power, yet people still blame the Labour cunds...
And other parts of the world, even close to home, are still s***ty. Actually, a number of investment experts are suggesting that Europe and Japanese economies are due for out performance this year and next, as both are now in the early stages of quantative easing, or stimulating the economy, a tactic already employed in the US and UK. The immigration policy under both recent governments in the UK would have to be considered flawed by your measure Helmet, as both have presided over increased numbers. In Labour's defence, at least they never promised to reduce immigration and failed, unlike Cameron. However, the idea that immigration to ageing nations is negative doesn't bare scrutiny. Countries such as ourselves, Italy, Germany and especially Japan need taxpayers to support increasing numbers of pensioners, and the birth rate isn't supplying them. Japan, a far more insular country historically than the UK, is currently looking at ways of bringing in workers to settle, work and pay taxes to support their ageing population. We already have a supply of taxpayers from abroad who contribute far more than they take out; what's the problem with that?
There have been a number of homeless people arriving from Europe, mainly from poorer countries. Some were living rough in Park Lane, of all places, before they were moved on. But these numbers are relatively small compared to the homeless from other parts of the UK that live on the streets of London.
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chris123 hove actually 27 Feb 15 8.57am | |
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It's poor. They're all sh1te. The previous lot didn't have a glowing record of results on many things. In other words dependent upon the stat you're looking for they've all got shocking records. Just pick a topic! One might even dare to add that with more than half of homeless people considered to be immigrants, then the current statistics are as a direct result of the previous government's appalling immigration record. Just saying. Edit: sorry, just saw your kind of related post Becky Edited by moylerg (26 Feb 2015 8.22pm)
Net migration is 50000 higher this year than when the ConDems came to power, yet people still blame the Labour cunds...
And other parts of the world, even close to home, are still s***ty. Actually, a number of investment experts are suggesting that Europe and Japanese economies are due for out performance this year and next, as both are now in the early stages of quantative easing, or stimulating the economy, a tactic already employed in the US and UK. The immigration policy under both recent governments in the UK would have to be considered flawed by your measure Helmet, as both have presided over increased numbers. In Labour's defence, at least they never promised to reduce immigration and failed, unlike Cameron. However, the idea that immigration to ageing nations is negative doesn't bare scrutiny. Countries such as ourselves, Italy, Germany and especially Japan need taxpayers to support increasing numbers of pensioners, and the birth rate isn't supplying them. Japan, a far more insular country historically than the UK, is currently looking at ways of bringing in workers to settle, work and pay taxes to support their ageing population. We already have a supply of taxpayers from abroad who contribute far more than they take out; what's the problem with that?
There have been a number of homeless people arriving from Europe, mainly from poorer countries. Some were living rough in Park Lane, of all places, before they were moved on. But these numbers are relatively small compared to the homeless from other parts of the UK that live on the streets of London.
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Johnny Eagles berlin 27 Feb 15 8.58am | |
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Who cares about homeless people? You'll be moaning about women and the disabled next.
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Part Time James 27 Feb 15 10.16am | |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 27 Feb 2015 8.58am
Who cares about homeless people? You'll be moaning about women and the disabled next. I dunno mate, say what you like about homeless people... No, literally, say what you like, they're unlikely to be looking on here.
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Hoof Hearted 27 Feb 15 11.11am | |
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Quote nickgusset at 26 Feb 2015 7.34pm
[Link] up 50 percent under current government. Well done Dave and Nick.
They started the open door immigration policy which has spiralled out of control and has led to foreigners sleeping rough on our streets, parks, underpasses etc.
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