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becky over the moon 31 Oct 12 2.01pm
Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 10.24am My dad will be affected. His house has been altered at a great cost since he had a stroke. The spare room is used for him to do much needed physio. The cost of doing up a smaller place would be quite expensive. That said, there is a shortage of housing. But so many people would need to be moved that it would be a logistical nightmare! What would the situation be if one of the kids goes to uni? Does their room become 'spare' whilst away. As usual, the situation isn't as black and white as some believe. It would be good if those with empty second homes were penalised too,but as usual, the better off seem to have things in their favour... I doubt anyone is having their empty second home funded by the taxpayer through housing benefits! A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 10.24am

My dad will be affected. His house has been altered at a great cost since he had a stroke. The spare room is used for him to do much needed physio.
The cost of doing up a smaller place would be quite expensive.
That said, there is a shortage of housing. But so many people would need to be moved that it would be a logistical nightmare!
What would the situation be if one of the kids goes to uni? Does their room become 'spare' whilst away.
As usual, the situation isn't as black and white as some believe.

It would be good if those with empty second homes were penalised too,but as usual, the better off seem to have things in their favour...

I doubt anyone is having their empty second home funded by the taxpayer through housing benefits!

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Oct 12 2.10pm
Quote becky at 31 Oct 2012 2.01pm Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 10.24am My dad will be affected. His house has been altered at a great cost since he had a stroke. The spare room is used for him to do much needed physio. The cost of doing up a smaller place would be quite expensive. That said, there is a shortage of housing. But so many people would need to be moved that it would be a logistical nightmare! What would the situation be if one of the kids goes to uni? Does their room become 'spare' whilst away. As usual, the situation isn't as black and white as some believe. It would be good if those with empty second homes were penalised too,but as usual, the better off seem to have things in their favour... I doubt anyone is having their empty second home funded by the taxpayer through housing benefits! no one is saying they are. However, it does highlight the different ways the well off and less well off are treated.
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Quote becky at 31 Oct 2012 2.01pm

Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 10.24am

It would be good if those with empty second homes were penalised too,but as usual, the better off seem to have things in their favour...

I doubt anyone is having their empty second home funded by the taxpayer through housing benefits!

no one is saying they are. However, it does highlight the different ways the well off and less well off are treated.

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Johnny Eagles berlin 31 Oct 12 2.25pm
Put me in charge of welfare, then you'd really have something to moan about. ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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berlin 31 Oct 12 2.25pm

Put me in charge of welfare, then you'd really have something to moan about.

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 31 Oct 12 2.33pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 31 Oct 2012 2.25pm Put me in charge of welfare, then you'd really have something to moan about. LIKEWISE! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 31 Oct 12 2.33pm

Quote Johnny Eagles at 31 Oct 2012 2.25pm

Put me in charge of welfare, then you'd really have something to moan about.

LIKEWISE!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Stuk Top half 31 Oct 12 2.34pm
Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 2.10pm Quote becky at 31 Oct 2012 2.01pm Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 10.24am My dad will be affected. His house has been altered at a great cost since he had a stroke. The spare room is used for him to do much needed physio. The cost of doing up a smaller place would be quite expensive. That said, there is a shortage of housing. But so many people would need to be moved that it would be a logistical nightmare! What would the situation be if one of the kids goes to uni? Does their room become 'spare' whilst away. As usual, the situation isn't as black and white as some believe. It would be good if those with empty second homes were penalised too,but as usual, the better off seem to have things in their favour... I doubt anyone is having their empty second home funded by the taxpayer through housing benefits! no one is saying they are. However, it does highlight the different ways the well off and less well off are treated. No it doesn't. It highlights that no one can tell you what to do with a property you pay for yourself, in it's entirety, and rightly so. Optimistic as ever
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Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 10.24am

It would be good if those with empty second homes were penalised too,but as usual, the better off seem to have things in their favour...

I doubt anyone is having their empty second home funded by the taxpayer through housing benefits!

no one is saying they are. However, it does highlight the different ways the well off and less well off are treated.

No it doesn't. It highlights that no one can tell you what to do with a property you pay for yourself, in it's entirety, and rightly so.

Optimistic as ever

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jamiemartin721 Reading 31 Oct 12 3.09pm
Quote Ibanez at 31 Oct 2012 10.02am Why should we pay for people to have a spare room? Seems quite reasonable that if they want more rooms than they need then perhaps they should pay for it themselves? Why not provide housing benefit for people so they can remain in their home during a period of transition between jobs. Realistically speaking, rehousing people because they have a small spare room will just create even more strain on the system, as there is, as we all know a shortage of space, and moving someone in is going to be a nightmare of epic proporitions if they have a private landlord or family present. Stupid, impractical and costly idea wheeled out by politicians dedicated to being popular rather than being practical. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Ibanez at 31 Oct 2012 10.02am

Why should we pay for people to have a spare room?

Seems quite reasonable that if they want more rooms than they need then perhaps they should pay for it themselves?

Why not provide housing benefit for people so they can remain in their home during a period of transition between jobs.

Realistically speaking, rehousing people because they have a small spare room will just create even more strain on the system, as there is, as we all know a shortage of space, and moving someone in is going to be a nightmare of epic proporitions if they have a private landlord or family present.

Stupid, impractical and costly idea wheeled out by politicians dedicated to being popular rather than being practical.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 31 Oct 12 3.12pm
Quote Stuk at 31 Oct 2012 2.34pm Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 2.10pm Quote becky at 31 Oct 2012 2.01pm Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 10.24am My dad will be affected. His house has been altered at a great cost since he had a stroke. The spare room is used for him to do much needed physio. The cost of doing up a smaller place would be quite expensive. That said, there is a shortage of housing. But so many people would need to be moved that it would be a logistical nightmare! What would the situation be if one of the kids goes to uni? Does their room become 'spare' whilst away. As usual, the situation isn't as black and white as some believe. It would be good if those with empty second homes were penalised too,but as usual, the better off seem to have things in their favour... I doubt anyone is having their empty second home funded by the taxpayer through housing benefits! no one is saying they are. However, it does highlight the different ways the well off and less well off are treated. No it doesn't. It highlights that no one can tell you what to do with a property you pay for yourself, in it's entirety, and rightly so. Of course the problem with second homes, and rental properties that remain vaccant is that they do cost the taxpayer, by artifical inflation of rental prices resulting in higher burdens of housing benefit. Its an indirect cost. Arguably people who claim benefits also pay for property themselves, given the manner in which welfare operates, as most of those who are claiming benefits against property will have been tax payers. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 31 Oct 12 3.12pm

Quote Stuk at 31 Oct 2012 2.34pm

Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 2.10pm

Quote becky at 31 Oct 2012 2.01pm

Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 10.24am

It would be good if those with empty second homes were penalised too,but as usual, the better off seem to have things in their favour...

I doubt anyone is having their empty second home funded by the taxpayer through housing benefits!

no one is saying they are. However, it does highlight the different ways the well off and less well off are treated.

No it doesn't. It highlights that no one can tell you what to do with a property you pay for yourself, in it's entirety, and rightly so.

Of course the problem with second homes, and rental properties that remain vaccant is that they do cost the taxpayer, by artifical inflation of rental prices resulting in higher burdens of housing benefit. Its an indirect cost.

Arguably people who claim benefits also pay for property themselves, given the manner in which welfare operates, as most of those who are claiming benefits against property will have been tax payers.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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robdave2k 31 Oct 12 3.21pm
Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 9.50am Apparently from next April, those on housing benefit will lose money if they have a spare room. This will affect many disabled people [Link] Thoughts? It's not a tax though. Tax is what you pay on something, it's a reduction in benefits. They are getting less money. If there is one thing guaranteed to piss of the general public quicker than anything else, it is people complaining about getting less free money.
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31 Oct 12 3.21pm

Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 9.50am

Apparently from next April, those on housing benefit will lose money if they have a spare room. This will affect many disabled people
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Thoughts?

It's not a tax though. Tax is what you pay on something, it's a reduction in benefits. They are getting less money.

If there is one thing guaranteed to piss of the general public quicker than anything else, it is people complaining about getting less free money.

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Ibanez 31 Oct 12 3.22pm
I think its worth pointing out a few things: - This is not a tax at all. It is a proposed reduction in free money for those who have more rooms than required. - The details are not anywhere near finalised and it is premature to assume that there won't be safeguards to protect those who legitimately need extra rooms (e.g. for medical reasons). - The UK's housing benefit bill is insanely huge and is so incredibly generous that, in some cases, it allows people who qualify to live in superior accommodation to many who pay their own way. It needs cutting and only the most hardened socialist would disagree. Stopping people from getting it for larger houses than they require is nothing other than common sense. Benefits should be about need, not luxury.
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Ibanez 31 Oct 12 3.22pm

I think its worth pointing out a few things:

- This is not a tax at all. It is a proposed reduction in free money for those who have more rooms than required.

- The details are not anywhere near finalised and it is premature to assume that there won't be safeguards to protect those who legitimately need extra rooms (e.g. for medical reasons).

- The UK's housing benefit bill is insanely huge and is so incredibly generous that, in some cases, it allows people who qualify to live in superior accommodation to many who pay their own way. It needs cutting and only the most hardened socialist would disagree. Stopping people from getting it for larger houses than they require is nothing other than common sense.

Benefits should be about need, not luxury.

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fallenangel1979 31 Oct 12 3.29pm
Quote Ibanez at 31 Oct 2012 3.22pm I think its worth pointing out a few things: - This is not a tax at all. It is a proposed reduction in free money for those who have more rooms than required. - The details are not anywhere near finalised and it is premature to assume that there won't be safeguards to protect those who legitimately need extra rooms (e.g. for medical reasons). - The UK's housing benefit bill is insanely huge and is so incredibly generous that, in some cases, it allows people who qualify to live in superior accommodation to many who pay their own way. It needs cutting and only the most hardened socialist would disagree. Stopping people from getting it for larger houses than they require is nothing other than common sense. Benefits should be about need, not luxury. //////////// This On the 24th December 2013 my life changed forever. Miss you Fancy helping a charity [Link] Or read my blog [Link]
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Quote Ibanez at 31 Oct 2012 3.22pm

I think its worth pointing out a few things:

- This is not a tax at all. It is a proposed reduction in free money for those who have more rooms than required.

- The details are not anywhere near finalised and it is premature to assume that there won't be safeguards to protect those who legitimately need extra rooms (e.g. for medical reasons).

Benefits should be about need, not luxury.

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Ibanez 31 Oct 12 3.31pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 31 Oct 2012 3.09pm Quote Ibanez at 31 Oct 2012 10.02am Why should we pay for people to have a spare room? Seems quite reasonable that if they want more rooms than they need then perhaps they should pay for it themselves? Why not provide housing benefit for people so they can remain in their home during a period of transition between jobs. Realistically speaking, rehousing people because they have a small spare room will just create even more strain on the system, as there is, as we all know a shortage of space, and moving someone in is going to be a nightmare of epic proporitions if they have a private landlord or family present. Stupid, impractical and costly idea wheeled out by politicians dedicated to being popular rather than being practical. I agree with your first paragraph - I like the German model of very generous benefits for those recently out of work but very limited money for those who are long term unemployed and not seriously looking for work. Rehousing would be unpleasant but I think its preferable to the tax payer paying for people to live far beyond their means forever. It has to stop somewhere.
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Ibanez 31 Oct 12 3.31pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 31 Oct 2012 3.09pm

Quote Ibanez at 31 Oct 2012 10.02am

Why should we pay for people to have a spare room?

Seems quite reasonable that if they want more rooms than they need then perhaps they should pay for it themselves?

Why not provide housing benefit for people so they can remain in their home during a period of transition between jobs.

Stupid, impractical and costly idea wheeled out by politicians dedicated to being popular rather than being practical.

I agree with your first paragraph - I like the German model of very generous benefits for those recently out of work but very limited money for those who are long term unemployed and not seriously looking for work.

Rehousing would be unpleasant but I think its preferable to the tax payer paying for people to live far beyond their means forever. It has to stop somewhere.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 31 Oct 12 3.37pm
Thought I had a spare bedroom but turned out to be a study. Also when is a box room a box room and not a cupboard or walk in wardrobe or similar 2010s living requirement? "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 31 Oct 12 3.37pm

Thought I had a spare bedroom but turned out to be a study.

Also when is a box room a box room and not a cupboard or walk in wardrobe or similar 2010s living requirement?

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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