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Kermit8 Hevon 23 Oct 17 9.23am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'm afraid there is, they are both human beings. Out of all your wet replies that is, by far, the wettest. Oh, no..pardon me. For example, Eichmann was a human being too. You are right. He should have been tried like any old common or garden murderer. Adolf Eichmann and Ruth Ellis. Two peas in a pod. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 23 Oct 17 9.23am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm afraid there is, they are both human beings.

Out of all your wet replies that is, by far, the wettest.

Oh, no..pardon me. For example, Eichmann was a human being too. You are right. He should have been tried like any old common or garden murderer.

Adolf Eichmann and Ruth Ellis. Two peas in a pod.

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Kermit8 Hevon 23 Oct 17 9.25am
Originally posted by legaleagle Thanks for clarifying your view,Stirling.So,there is complete equivalence between an international student randomly getting beaten up here because of their race,and a Nazi being attacked because they are a Nazi.Mosley would have been proud of you. Edited by legaleagle (23 Oct 2017 9.09am) I think Mosley would have disowned him for being too far-right wing with that comment. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 23 Oct 17 9.25am

Originally posted by legaleagle

Thanks for clarifying your view,Stirling.So,there is complete equivalence between an international student randomly getting beaten up here because of their race,and a Nazi being attacked because they are a Nazi.Mosley would have been proud of you.

Edited by legaleagle (23 Oct 2017 9.09am)

I think Mosley would have disowned him for being too far-right wing with that comment.

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Lyons550 Shirley 23 Oct 17 9.54am
Originally posted by nickgusset It does sound loony, but that's only because you said it. Why are you catastraphising a sharp increase in hate crimes? is it me...or in the 70's when this sort of behaviour was far worse than it is now there was a very strong left wing movement, labour in power....and now there's a rise again in this sort of anti social behaviour and the left is on the rise once more, whipping up fervor...perhaps its just coincidence though...afterall one could read anything they want to try and make a point...couldnt one(?) Edited by Lyons550 (23 Oct 2017 9.55am) The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 23 Oct 17 9.54am

Originally posted by nickgusset

It does sound loony, but that's only because you said it.

Why are you catastraphising a sharp increase in hate crimes?

is it me...or in the 70's when this sort of behaviour was far worse than it is now there was a very strong left wing movement, labour in power....and now there's a rise again in this sort of anti social behaviour and the left is on the rise once more, whipping up fervor...perhaps its just coincidence though...afterall one could read anything they want to try and make a point...couldnt one(?)

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Kermit8 Hevon 23 Oct 17 10.01am
Originally posted by Lyons550 is it me...or in the 70's when this sort of behaviour was far worse than it is now there was a very strong left wing movement, labour in power....and now there's a rise again in this sort of anti social behaviour and the left is on the rise once more, whipping up fervor...perhaps its just coincidence though...afterall one could read anything they want to try and make a point...couldnt one(?) Edited by Lyons550 (23 Oct 2017 9.55am) General Election leaflet from the mid-60's. Tone setter for the 70's and the N F. Unfortunately not fake. And not condemned by the Tory candidate it was supporting. Edited by Kermit8 (23 Oct 2017 10.11am) Attachment: Bit of Politics.jpg (83.73Kb) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 23 Oct 17 10.01am

Originally posted by Lyons550

Edited by Lyons550 (23 Oct 2017 9.55am)

General Election leaflet from the mid-60's. Tone setter for the 70's and the N F. Unfortunately not fake. And not condemned by the Tory candidate it was supporting.

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Oct 17 11.16am
Originally posted by Kermit8 No, you were propagating the myth the multi-culturalism is a relatively recent phenomenon and so, by implication, is subject to some sort of modern day success or failure test. You know full well that through trade routes etc, in Europe and Asia, cultures have been living, working and mixing together for a thousand and more years. Distinct groups. Even Conservative Iran, for example, is a multi-ethnic, multicultural society as a result of millennia of migration and conquest. Half of the population speaks Persian as their main language and the rest of speak languages drawn from Indo-European, Turkic and Semitic. Some Jewish people still live there. Here we go. Kermits history comparisons part 1000. No Kermit, the modern era is nothing like the past. For a start, there a loads more people around and that makes a lot of diffrence. You also have no idea how people got on in the past. You are bulls***ting as usual. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Oct 2017 11.17am)
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Originally posted by Kermit8

No, you were propagating the myth the multi-culturalism is a relatively recent phenomenon and so, by implication, is subject to some sort of modern day success or failure test.

You know full well that through trade routes etc, in Europe and Asia, cultures have been living, working and mixing together for a thousand and more years. Distinct groups.

Even Conservative Iran, for example, is a multi-ethnic, multicultural society as a result of millennia of migration and conquest. Half of the population speaks Persian as their main language and the rest of speak languages drawn from Indo-European, Turkic and Semitic. Some Jewish people still live there.

Here we go.

Kermits history comparisons part 1000.

No Kermit, the modern era is nothing like the past.
For a start, there a loads more people around and that makes a lot of diffrence. You also have no idea how people got on in the past. You are bulls***ting as usual.

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Oct 17 11.23am
Originally posted by Kermit8 General Election leaflet from the mid-60's. Tone setter for the 70's and the N F. Unfortunately not fake. And not condemned by the Tory candidate it was supporting. Edited by Kermit8 (23 Oct 2017 10.11am) What is your point? The language is of another time but the general public didn't want mass immigration then and it still doesn't. It has been forced upon us. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Oct 2017 11.24am)
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23 Oct 17 11.23am

Originally posted by Kermit8

General Election leaflet from the mid-60's. Tone setter for the 70's and the N F. Unfortunately not fake. And not condemned by the Tory candidate it was supporting.

Edited by Kermit8 (23 Oct 2017 10.11am)

What is your point? The language is of another time but
the general public didn't want mass immigration then and it still doesn't. It has been forced upon us.

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tome Inner Tantalus Time. 23 Oct 17 11.36am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Multiculturalism comes from cultural relativism that can be traced back to Franz Boas in the early 20th century. It's to be found in many written pieces over the years before the tide turned against it relatively recently. The fact that many politicians including prime ministers of several EU countries that have directly referred to multicultualism as a failed exercise is more than enough evidence to show that it was attempted. If you view it as a by product of creating 'an environment for new ideas'....then fair enough....I just see that as a buzz phrase for social engineering anyway. I am generally unconvinced by what politicians say most of the time, I think it's usually got only a sliver of connection to what's going on. As usually the fact that they are saying something is for political ends, rather than to develop constructive solutions. If I understand you correctly, you seem to regard mulitculuralism as an exercise - what do you think the intention was / is, then? A one and a two...
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Inner Tantalus Time. 23 Oct 17 11.36am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Multiculturalism comes from cultural relativism that can be traced back to Franz Boas in the early 20th century.

It's to be found in many written pieces over the years before the tide turned against it relatively recently.
The fact that many politicians including prime ministers of several EU countries that have directly referred to multicultualism as a failed exercise is more than enough evidence to show that it was attempted.

If you view it as a by product of creating 'an environment for new ideas'....then fair enough....I just see that as a buzz phrase for social engineering anyway.

I am generally unconvinced by what politicians say most of the time, I think it's usually got only a sliver of connection to what's going on. As usually the fact that they are saying something is for political ends, rather than to develop constructive solutions.

If I understand you correctly, you seem to regard mulitculuralism as an exercise - what do you think the intention was / is, then?

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tome Inner Tantalus Time. 23 Oct 17 11.40am
Originally posted by Vaibow what's easier for the government to control and make money off? a society hating each other, divided, needing help from the government or... a peaceful, self reliant, united society? Divide and rule - I'm drawn to this as well but at the same time it seems a bit glib and too easy to say as a throw away remark. Even if we accept the government is interested in making money (only so far as money = power, I think) then surely they would be more interested in harmony as that usually equals bigger tax receipts as conflict is associated with costs to the government and job shortages. Certainly divide and rule is relevant to the imperialist years and my cynic's view of arms sales, but less convinced internally. A one and a two...
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Inner Tantalus Time. 23 Oct 17 11.40am

Originally posted by Vaibow

what's easier for the government to control and make money off? a society hating each other, divided, needing help from the government or... a peaceful, self reliant, united society?

Divide and rule - I'm drawn to this as well but at the same time it seems a bit glib and too easy to say as a throw away remark.

Even if we accept the government is interested in making money (only so far as money = power, I think) then surely they would be more interested in harmony as that usually equals bigger tax receipts as conflict is associated with costs to the government and job shortages.

Certainly divide and rule is relevant to the imperialist years and my cynic's view of arms sales, but less convinced internally.

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Kermit8 Hevon 23 Oct 17 11.57am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What is your point? The language is of another time but the general public didn't want mass immigration then and it still doesn't. It has been forced upon us. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Oct 2017 11.24am) So why did you masochistically vote for it? Aggressive capitalism, Thatcherism, globalisation, the free market, deregulation of housing controls, privatisation, etc. All babies of Conservative and right-wing thinking. All have led us to where you think we are today and all because your side of the political fence have allowed it. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 23 Oct 17 11.57am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What is your point? The language is of another time but
the general public didn't want mass immigration then and it still doesn't. It has been forced upon us.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Oct 2017 11.24am)

So why did you masochistically vote for it? Aggressive capitalism, Thatcherism, globalisation, the free market, deregulation of housing controls, privatisation, etc. All babies of Conservative and right-wing thinking. All have led us to where you think we are today and all because your side of the political fence have allowed it.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 23 Oct 17 12.00pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 So why did you masochistically vote for it? Aggressive capitalism, Thatcherism, globalisation, the free market, deregulation of housing controls, privatisation, etc. All babies of Conservative and right-wing thinking. All have led us to where you think we are today and all because your side of the political fence have allowed it. Blair fully opened the floodgates as you well know. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 23 Oct 17 12.00pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Blair fully opened the floodgates as you well know.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Kermit8 Hevon 23 Oct 17 12.03pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What is your point? The language is of another time but the general public didn't want mass immigration then and it still doesn't. It has been forced upon us. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Oct 2017 11.24am) The leaflet doesn't mention immigration just skin colour. And how do you know what the general feeling towards immigration was in the UK back then? A time when Churches were still packed and people neighbourly. Don't think the majority would have had the obnoxious views necessary to give any sort of approval to that leaflet but just a nasty minority. Pretty much the same as today. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 23 Oct 17 12.03pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What is your point? The language is of another time but
the general public didn't want mass immigration then and it still doesn't. It has been forced upon us.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Oct 2017 11.24am)

The leaflet doesn't mention immigration just skin colour. And how do you know what the general feeling towards immigration was in the UK back then? A time when Churches were still packed and people neighbourly.

Don't think the majority would have had the obnoxious views necessary to give any sort of approval to that leaflet but just a nasty minority. Pretty much the same as today.

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Kermit8 Hevon 23 Oct 17 12.06pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Blair fully opened the floodgates as you well know. No he didn't. If you are talking about the new-EU Polish and Czech and Bulgarians, etc, that was signed up for by The Tories. He could have delayed it to 2011 at the latest but couldn't have stopped it. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 23 Oct 17 12.06pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Blair fully opened the floodgates as you well know.

No he didn't. If you are talking about the new-EU Polish and Czech and Bulgarians, etc, that was signed up for by The Tories. He could have delayed it to 2011 at the latest but couldn't have stopped it.

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