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elgrande bedford 26 Mar 17 3.27pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger No, probably not, but in the wider contest of the troubles it is an example of what happens under the pressure of continuous conflict. We could spend weeks discussing the appalling actions of Provos and Loyalists but remember that the army was in the middle of it trying to do a job while coming under regular attack. Very true which is the point I was trying to get accross in the first place. It's also worth rembering that Blair ordered the public inquiry.....the very man with British soldiers blood on his hands. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 26 Mar 17 3.27pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No, probably not, but in the wider contest of the troubles it is an example of what happens under the pressure of continuous conflict.
We could spend weeks discussing the appalling actions of Provos and Loyalists but remember that the army was in the middle of it trying to do a job while coming under regular attack.

Very true which is the point I was trying to get accross in the first place.
It's also worth rembering that Blair ordered the public inquiry.....the very man with British soldiers blood on his hands.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Kermit8 Hevon 26 Mar 17 3.42pm
Originally posted by elgrande And I am pointing out that not everything is black and white,try putting yourself in the soldiers shoes at the time. Exactly. Armed to the teeth v mostly peaceful demonstrators plus a few stone throwing yobs. They had no option but to shoot dead 13 civilians in the back. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 26 Mar 17 3.42pm

Originally posted by elgrande

And I am pointing out that not everything is black and white,try putting yourself in the soldiers shoes at the time.

Exactly. Armed to the teeth v mostly peaceful demonstrators plus a few stone throwing yobs.

They had no option but to shoot dead 13 civilians in the back.

Big chest and massive boobs

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elgrande bedford 26 Mar 17 3.47pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Exactly. Armed to the teeth v mostly peaceful demonstrators plus a few stone throwing yobs. They had no option but to shoot dead 13 civilians in the back. Just like the people of Birmingham, Guildford, Warrington, and that's just on the mainland. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 26 Mar 17 3.47pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Exactly. Armed to the teeth v mostly peaceful demonstrators plus a few stone throwing yobs.

They had no option but to shoot dead 13 civilians in the back.

Just like the people of Birmingham, Guildford, Warrington, and that's just on the mainland.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 26 Mar 17 3.48pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Exactly. Armed to the teeth v mostly peaceful demonstrators plus a few stone throwing yobs. They had no option but to shoot dead 13 civilians in the back. Wrong type of soldiers in the wrong place and incorrectly briefed. Don't forget that there were also armed paramilitaries including McGuinness. It's surprising how many people miss that out. the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 26 Mar 17 3.48pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Exactly. Armed to the teeth v mostly peaceful demonstrators plus a few stone throwing yobs.

They had no option but to shoot dead 13 civilians in the back.

Wrong type of soldiers in the wrong place and incorrectly briefed.

Don't forget that there were also armed paramilitaries including McGuinness. It's surprising how many people miss that out.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Kermit8 Hevon 26 Mar 17 3.51pm
Originally posted by elgrande Just like the people of Birmingham, Guildford, Warrington, and that's just on the mainland. Sheer bloody murder in all those places and Derry in '72. None of the acts can or should be attempted to be justified. Innocents died. Some of the murderers wore uniform. The rest didn't. You don't shoot running away civilians in the back. You just don't. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 26 Mar 17 3.51pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Just like the people of Birmingham, Guildford, Warrington, and that's just on the mainland.

Sheer bloody murder in all those places and Derry in '72. None of the acts can or should be attempted to be justified. Innocents died. Some of the murderers wore uniform. The rest didn't.

You don't shoot running away civilians in the back. You just don't.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Mo Sizlak 26 Mar 17 3.56pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Exactly. Armed to the teeth v mostly peaceful demonstrators plus a few stone throwing yobs. They had no option but to shoot dead 13 civilians in the back. I wonder if those mostly peaceful demonstrators and those few stone throwing yobs grew up to be part of the murderous mob who murdered those 2 corporals at that IRA funeral? Babs and Clean Willie were in love they said....
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26 Mar 17 3.56pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Exactly. Armed to the teeth v mostly peaceful demonstrators plus a few stone throwing yobs.

They had no option but to shoot dead 13 civilians in the back.

I wonder if those mostly peaceful demonstrators and those few stone throwing yobs grew up to be part of the murderous mob who murdered those 2 corporals at that IRA funeral?

Babs and Clean Willie were in love they said....

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hedgehog50 Croydon 26 Mar 17 3.58pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Sheer bloody murder in all those places and Derry in '72. None of the acts can or should be attempted to be justified. Innocents died. Some of the murderers wore uniform. The rest didn't. You don't shoot running away civilians in the back. You just don't. But you can do this kind of stuff February 1972: Seven killed and 15 hurt in a bomb blast at the Paras HQ at Aldershot. July, 1972: Nine died and 130 injured on Bloody Friday by 27 bombs in Belfast. March 1973: One killed and 250 injured in bombing of Old Bailey and Whitehall. February 1974: Nine soldiers, a woman and two children died when a bus was bombed in Yorkshire. October 1974: Four people killed and 35 injured in two bars in Guildford, Surrey. November, 1974: Twenty-one died and 162 injured in attacks in Birmingham. December 1974: Two died and 27 injured in a pub bombing in Woolwich, south-east London. January, 1976: Ten Protestants shot dead on a minibus in South Armagh. February, 1978: Twelve Protestants killed in blast at restaurant in County Down. August 1979: Two bombs killed 18 British soldiers at Warrenpoint, County Down. The same day, Lord Mountbatten and three others died in a blast on his boat in County Sligo. July 1982: Eleven soldiers died and 50 people were injured in blasts in Hyde Park and Regent's Park in London. December 1983: Six died and 90 were injured by a bomb at Harrods in London. October 1984: Five died and dozens were injured when a bomb wrecked Brighton's Grand Hotel during a Tory conference. November 1987: Eleven died in blast at Remembrance Day service in Enniskillen. April 1992: Baltic Exchange Bomb killed three and devastated the City of London. March 1993: Boy and baby die in blast in Warrington, Cheshire. April 1993: Truck bomb killed one and injured 44 in Bishopsgate, City of London. October 1993: Bomb killed nine in a shop on the Shankill Road in Belfast. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 26 Mar 17 3.58pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Sheer bloody murder in all those places and Derry in '72. None of the acts can or should be attempted to be justified. Innocents died. Some of the murderers wore uniform. The rest didn't.

You don't shoot running away civilians in the back. You just don't.

But you can do this kind of stuff

February 1972: Seven killed and 15 hurt in a bomb blast at the Paras HQ at Aldershot.

July, 1972: Nine died and 130 injured on Bloody Friday by 27 bombs in Belfast.

March 1973: One killed and 250 injured in bombing of Old Bailey and Whitehall.

February 1974: Nine soldiers, a woman and two children died when a bus was bombed in Yorkshire.

October 1974: Four people killed and 35 injured in two bars in Guildford, Surrey.

November, 1974: Twenty-one died and 162 injured in attacks in Birmingham.

December 1974: Two died and 27 injured in a pub bombing in Woolwich, south-east London.

January, 1976: Ten Protestants shot dead on a minibus in South Armagh.

February, 1978: Twelve Protestants killed in blast at restaurant in County Down.

August 1979: Two bombs killed 18 British soldiers at Warrenpoint, County Down. The same day, Lord Mountbatten and three others died in a blast on his boat in County Sligo.

July 1982: Eleven soldiers died and 50 people were injured in blasts in Hyde Park and Regent's Park in London.

December 1983: Six died and 90 were injured by a bomb at Harrods in London.

October 1984: Five died and dozens were injured when a bomb wrecked Brighton's Grand Hotel during a Tory conference.

November 1987: Eleven died in blast at Remembrance Day service in Enniskillen.

April 1992: Baltic Exchange Bomb killed three and devastated the City of London.

March 1993: Boy and baby die in blast in Warrington, Cheshire.

April 1993: Truck bomb killed one and injured 44 in Bishopsgate, City of London.

October 1993: Bomb killed nine in a shop on the Shankill Road in Belfast.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Kermit8 Hevon 26 Mar 17 4.04pm
^^^^^^ Bloody Sunday 30 January 1972. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 26 Mar 17 4.04pm

^^^^^^

Bloody Sunday 30 January 1972.

Big chest and massive boobs

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hedgehog50 Croydon 26 Mar 17 4.10pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 ^^^^^^ Bloody Sunday 30 January 1972. Yes, must have been McGuiness's favourite date. He knew that left wing dupes like you would be using it to justify his crimes ad infinitum. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 26 Mar 17 4.10pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

^^^^^^

Bloody Sunday 30 January 1972.

Yes, must have been McGuiness's favourite date.
He knew that left wing dupes like you would be using it to justify his crimes ad infinitum.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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elgrande bedford 26 Mar 17 4.23pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 ^^^^^^ Bloody Sunday 30 January 1972. Over 200 people were killed before that terrible day. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 26 Mar 17 4.23pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

^^^^^^

Bloody Sunday 30 January 1972.

Over 200 people were killed before that terrible day.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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steeleye20 Croydon 26 Mar 17 4.39pm
Originally posted by croydon proud I think steeleye means maybe everything in the book, including martin mc watching over the road from a flat,might not be accurate, a false truth, to turn opinions on certain matters, and some people buy it every time, unfortunately..oh well,,,,,,, If McGuinness had been prosecuted and convicted of anything that would be different. The army, police and secret services must have volumes of data on McGuinness yet he remains uncharged with anything. His later work could not be more in contrast and we can see his achievement in the peace process to do that he would need to be competent and well-educated. I have a much more doubtful view now of the media than I did before not just this but in general. That book is just 2 journalists project on the side to make money out of it.
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Croydon 26 Mar 17 4.39pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

I think steeleye means maybe everything in the book, including martin mc watching over the road from a flat,might not be accurate, a false truth, to turn opinions on certain matters, and some people buy it every time, unfortunately..oh well,,,,,,,

If McGuinness had been prosecuted and convicted of anything that would be different.

The army, police and secret services must have volumes of data on McGuinness yet he remains uncharged with anything.

His later work could not be more in contrast and we can see his achievement in the peace process to do that he would need to be competent and well-educated.

I have a much more doubtful view now of the media than I did before not just this but in general.

That book is just 2 journalists project on the side to make money out of it.

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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Mar 17 4.40pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 ^^^^^^ Bloody Sunday 30 January 1972. Good old Kermie. The troubles all started because of that day. #Revisionismondrugs
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