Apart from the small detail that the decision was taken out of their hands by the SNP and the Lib Dems.

Labour were, and still remain, the official Opposition. Convention dictated that should have relished the chance to fight an election, and had been calling for one on numerous occasions. The country was effectively rendered ungovernable by Brexit. Labour had a duty to back any opportunity to change that.

And they did. Eventually. LOL. Worked out well for all of us I think.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Those earning under 80k better hope so.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Let's not pretend that there are no morons on the leave side. Fairly equal I'd say there. The fact that people put Brexit above real issues simply to make a point is no cause for celebration.

While one democratic decision has/will begin to be upheld (in what manner, who knows) and rightly so, actual issues have been forgotten about and sidelined at the expense of many. The next five years will play out very badly for a lot of people, and certainly not just those on the side of 'remain'. Have your cake while you can. You might not be around it eat it all.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

a real issue, yes. Certainly not the real issue, unless you are severely partisan and blinkered. Which would certainly not surprise me.

But not one to be elevated above all the others at no expense. I agree that obfuscation has exacerbated the whole thing and led to a second election effectively playing the role of a second referendum, but if you can't see the stupidity in ignoring all other issues that should be on the table when deciding your vote simply to vote on one, then you are also 'stupid beyond redemption'.

Simple messages win elections. Simpletons win elections. Labour, or whoever is to provide credible opposition need to take note. Not a new thing there. I hate the phrase but for a lot of these people, who are nowhere near high earning or by any measure 'secure' they are turkeys voting for christmas (providing Boris doesn't make a hard move to the centre, which is certainly possible).

Edited by SW19 CPFC (13 Dec 2019 11.23am)

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

LOL. I might be many things, and partisan and blinkered might well be included in the long list, but if you genuinely thought this election was about anything other than Brexit then you truly are as stupid as you think all us Leavers are.

Brexit was the Alpha and the Omega. Everything else merely chaff.

Quite incredible really. And us Leavers are meant to be the divs?

Edited by Matov (13 Dec 2019 11.29am)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

And therein lies the point. You've put that above all else. You're also not reading what I'm writing. I didn't vote based on one issue in this election. If you did, then as you have confirmed you are partisan, and blinkered. It's simple logic.

This election is, by the very nature of what an election decides and entails, about more than just Brexit. The reason for it being might well be but you're not just voting on leaving, you're voting on policy.

You and your ilk have chosen to use it as a second referendum. That's fine, but what I am saying, quite credibly, is that there are so many other domestic issues that have been sidelined or, frankly, forgotten about in the haste and panic to ratify that real issues have not been debated enough, thought about enough, or even properly considered enough. And that's by MPs, not just the electorate.

I did not vote based on over simplified 'leave' or 'remain' urges. I voted after consideration of other issues both locally and nationally that will ultimately be of far more importance over the next five years than Brexit.

And for the record – had more people done so, then when it comes to matters of domestic policy, law and social bills in the house of commons then there would be less chance of the usual people getting screwed over (again providing Boris does not make his move to the centre, which could be 50/50, who knows).

Finally, does any form of Brexit now satiate you? Even if it ends up being soft and close to Labours intentions? Are we at that point of desperation now where previously staunch leavers will now take anything they can? An interesting one especially if you voted just on Brexit.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.