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Crystal Palace vs. Everton Match Thread
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 spartakev2  Anerley 27 Sep 20 9.49am |
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Originally posted by Tickled pink
The first incident was actually exactly the same as it hit his arm below the shirt when deliberately keeping his arm out of the way, but technically if the second one was a foul then that first one was too surely, the the rules say if the ball hits the arm and it did very clearly, but the ref decided it wasn't a foul, so what on earth made him decide the second was when quite clearly his arm was just where an arm should be when having an arm there, what did the ref want Mr Ward to do with his arm to deem it not a foul I wonder, mr Friend had the decision because he decided the first, so he was at fault for the second for giving it, nothing to do with VAR. I do wonder if he hadn't got away with the first one, would the second one have been given.
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| Phil’s Barber Crowborough 27 Sep 20 9.51am |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
If the ball had hit any other part of Joel Ward then he would have played the striker on-side. So the handball trumps the offside. Sorry, you’ve lost me. Richarlison was offside when Digne headed the ball through to him, which was prior to the ball striking Wards hand. If the ball had missed Ward or struck any other part of Ward then Richarlison would’ve still been offside from when it was originally played by Digne.
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| Dubai Eagle 27 Sep 20 10.10am |
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I must admit that when the 2nd hand ball penalty shout against JW was being investigated (with the referee at the monitor ) I did wonder how impartial the investigation was going to be (given the outcome of the first one) I found myself thinking that if the 2 penalty shouts had been in different games with different referees would there have been 0 penalty or 1 or 2 hope that makes sense -
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| michaelpearce grays 27 Sep 20 10.49am |
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Originally posted by Phil’s Barber
Sorry, you’ve lost me. Richarlison was offside when Digne headed the ball through to him, which was prior to the ball striking Wards hand. If the ball had missed Ward or struck any other part of Ward then Richarlison would’ve still been offside from when it was originally played by Digne. if it hits a defender the player becomes offside if its a pass back its onside, and why wasnt our penalty reviewed 28 times to make sure it wasnt one or was one, they was going to bring this handball rule in last year but watered it down now its a joke i called it last year, if there is not close to 300 penalty's given this season i will be shocked, oh tobe be a defender you are screwed Edited by michaelpearce (27 Sep 2020 11.16am)
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| Dubai Eagle 27 Sep 20 10.58am |
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Can you imagine next week - several clubs send their defenders out with no sleeves to put their arms through on their shirts, the defenders arms being hidden inside the main body of the shirts....
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| michaelpearce grays 27 Sep 20 11.23am |
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just looked at the handball again richarlison was in a offside position when the ball was headed so the first foul was offside
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| Dubai Eagle 27 Sep 20 11.35am |
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I saw our game on Amazon yesterday (they even put up a poster on the screen during the game detailing the hand ball rules) & I saw MOTD this morning with all of the contentious decisions that came with it (analysed by the pundits) - at this point in time pretty much the only thing I can say for sure is - I no longer understand the rules of the game & how they are applied when it comes to handball.
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| Rachid Rachid Rachid 27 Sep 20 1.57pm |
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My view was that neither of Ward’s were handball but Calvert-Lewin had a bit longer to react and moved his arm into the ball. I agree that Friend, who has always been a piss poor ref IMO, probably gave the second “handball” because he thought he couldn’t knock back another claim. A couple of the Everton players were in his ear as well. VAR and constant meddling with rules is ruining the “moment” which is the very essence of the game and the reason we love watching. What it has exposed is how poor the general level of reffing is as So many are still getting decisions wrong even after looking at the incident six times. They also seem unable to reconcile a slow motion replay with real time reactions.
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| Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 27 Sep 20 2.21pm |
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Originally posted by michaelpearce
Originally posted by Phil’s Barber
Sorry, you’ve lost me. Richarlison was offside when Digne headed the ball through to him, which was prior to the ball striking Wards hand. If the ball had missed Ward or struck any other part of Ward then Richarlison would’ve still been offside from when it was originally played by Digne. if it hits a defender the player becomes offside if its a pass back its onside, and why wasnt our penalty reviewed 28 times to make sure it wasnt one or was one, they was going to bring this handball rule in last year but watered it down now its a joke i called it last year, if there is not close to 300 penalty's given this season i will be shocked, oh tobe be a defender you are screwed Edited by michaelpearce (27 Sep 2020 11.16am)
For me, the correct decision was offside. Richarlison was clearly interfering with play. Either Ward accidentally handled it, or he deliberately handled it to prevent it going through to a player who was offside. No goal.
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| doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 27 Sep 20 2.36pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
If the ball had hit any other part of Joel Ward then he would have played the striker on-side. So the handball trumps the offside.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 27 Sep 20 3.10pm |
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Originally posted by spartakev2
I do wonder if he hadn't got away with the first one, would the second one have been given. Good point- it wouldn"t have.
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| The_postman Forest Row 27 Sep 20 3.34pm |
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Originally posted by doombear
Is the wrong answer. A deflection off a defender does not play the attacker onside. It has to be a deliberate play by the defender, e.g. an attempted pass. This is the official rule Offside Law 11 2. Offside offence A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by: •  interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or •  interfering with an opponent by:   preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or   • making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball or •  gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:   • rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar, match official or an opponent 
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