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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 18 Jul 17 11.26am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 We getting somewhere now. We both agree that so called 'equality' restricts freedom. Yet you champion the myth that making people what is called 'equal' solves more problems than it creates. Edited by hedgehog50 (18 Jul 2017 11.08am) I've been talking about levels of inequality this whole time and have never spoken in terms of there being some sort of discreet scenario of pure equality vs current inequality and nothing in between. High levels of inequality are damaging economically and socially and the benefits of reducing inequality would be significant.
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Originally posted by hedgehog50

We getting somewhere now. We both agree that so called 'equality' restricts freedom. Yet you champion the myth that making people what is called 'equal' solves more problems than it creates.

Edited by hedgehog50 (18 Jul 2017 11.08am)

I've been talking about levels of inequality this whole time and have never spoken in terms of there being some sort of discreet scenario of pure equality vs current inequality and nothing in between. High levels of inequality are damaging economically and socially and the benefits of reducing inequality would be significant.

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Stirlingsays 18 Jul 17 11.35am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle They consistently top the happiness index and other such measures and have high levels of disposable income. Indeed they have managed to increase levels of household savings over the past few years and now save over 5% of their disposable incomes (in the UK it's just under negative 1%, so we're eating into our savings). Their household debt has also been falling at a decent rate over the past few years. Their high levels of savings and pensions allow a buffer should rates increase, and display an ability to borrow to invest when rates are virtually zero but live within their means on a current basis and operate household surpluses. Their household "net-worth" i.e. assets less liabilities, is also higher than ours in the UK, meaning more of an ability to withstand house market dips. We don't do badly in the world happiness report. We come in at 19th. For our size we are one of the happiest countries in the world. All the Scandinavian countries do well.....but these are countries with small populations.....Indeed every country in the top ten is a country with small population size.....Canada is the biggest at 35 million...most of them are under ten. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2017 11.41am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Jul 17 11.35am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

They consistently top the happiness index and other such measures and have high levels of disposable income. Indeed they have managed to increase levels of household savings over the past few years and now save over 5% of their disposable incomes (in the UK it's just under negative 1%, so we're eating into our savings). Their household debt has also been falling at a decent rate over the past few years. Their high levels of savings and pensions allow a buffer should rates increase, and display an ability to borrow to invest when rates are virtually zero but live within their means on a current basis and operate household surpluses. Their household "net-worth" i.e. assets less liabilities, is also higher than ours in the UK, meaning more of an ability to withstand house market dips.

We don't do badly in the world happiness report. We come in at 19th. For our size we are one of the happiest countries in the world.

All the Scandinavian countries do well.....but these are countries with small populations.....Indeed every country in the top ten is a country with small population size.....Canada is the biggest at 35 million...most of them are under ten.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2017 11.41am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Jul 17 11.38am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Worked well? What planet are you living on? Are you ignoring reality on purpose? Living standards have fallen under this government. Real wages are lower. Also, what success? The Tories haven't won a properly workable majority since 1992, and their policies have been nothing short of a resounding failure in economic and public sector service terms. Those people you mentioned are wealth creators, they are more along the lines of rent-seekers. Their pay is way in excess of what it would be under an efficient market and they end up with pay completely out of line with their performance. The data is quite clear on this. Your simplistic ideological analysis is what's wrong with this current government and as a self proclaimed member of the "right-wing" of the Tories it's hardly surprising that you continue to make points devoid of any substance but full of myth-busted rhetoric. Rearrange words "Black the calling kettle pot". Just read some archetypal 'Socialist Worker' hogwash. Clearly millions of people were impressed by the Tory record on the economy - the party had massively increased vote, both absolutely and as a share of the votes cast.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Jul 17 11.38am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Worked well? What planet are you living on? Are you ignoring reality on purpose? Living standards have fallen under this government. Real wages are lower. Also, what success? The Tories haven't won a properly workable majority since 1992, and their policies have been nothing short of a resounding failure in economic and public sector service terms.

Those people you mentioned are wealth creators, they are more along the lines of rent-seekers. Their pay is way in excess of what it would be under an efficient market and they end up with pay completely out of line with their performance. The data is quite clear on this. Your simplistic ideological analysis is what's wrong with this current government and as a self proclaimed member of the "right-wing" of the Tories it's hardly surprising that you continue to make points devoid of any substance but full of myth-busted rhetoric.

Rearrange words "Black the calling kettle pot".

Just read some archetypal 'Socialist Worker' hogwash.

Clearly millions of people were impressed by the Tory record on the economy - the party had massively increased vote, both absolutely and as a share of the votes cast.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Jul 17 11.39am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle I've been talking about levels of inequality this whole time and have never spoken in terms of there being some sort of discreet scenario of pure equality vs current inequality and nothing in between. High levels of inequality are damaging economically and socially and the benefits of reducing inequality would be significant. Well perhaps we need to agree on when the pursuit of 'equality' starts to, as you said, "place restrictions on people's freedom". We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 18 Jul 17 11.39am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Well perhaps we need to agree on when the pursuit of 'equality' starts to, as you said, "place restrictions on people's freedom".

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Stirlingsays 18 Jul 17 11.40am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle I've been talking about levels of inequality this whole time and have never spoken in terms of there being some sort of discreet scenario of pure equality vs current inequality and nothing in between. High levels of inequality are damaging economically and socially and the benefits of reducing inequality would be significant. I also don't think that high levels of inequality are positive....I don't know many people who regard it as useful outside of the economically ultra right. However, each country is unique.....You can't say look at Denmark and say that's going to work here. Different factors key into every country. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Jul 17 11.40am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I also don't think that high levels of inequality are positive....I don't know many people who regard it as useful outside of the economically ultra right.

However, each country is unique.....You can't say look at Denmark and say that's going to work here. Different factors key into every country.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Jul 17 12.26pm
Originally posted by Willo Rearrange words "Black the calling kettle pot". Just read some archetypal 'Socialist Worker' hogwash. Clearly millions of people were impressed by the Tory record on the economy - the party had massively increased vote, both absolutely and as a share of the votes cast. I think both Labour and Conservatives can be thankful to the collapse of UKIP for sparing them embarrassment at the election. Because that's where the votes mostly came from. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 18 Jul 17 12.26pm

Originally posted by Willo

Rearrange words "Black the calling kettle pot".

Just read some archetypal 'Socialist Worker' hogwash.

Clearly millions of people were impressed by the Tory record on the economy - the party had massively increased vote, both absolutely and as a share of the votes cast.

I think both Labour and Conservatives can be thankful to the collapse of UKIP for sparing them embarrassment at the election.

Because that's where the votes mostly came from.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 18 Jul 17 12.34pm
Originally posted by Willo Rearrange words "Black the calling kettle pot". Just read some archetypal 'Socialist Worker' hogwash. Clearly millions of people were impressed by the Tory record on the economy - the party had massively increased vote, both absolutely and as a share of the votes cast. If you think that's why people voted Tory in the election you're barking. Remember this election was meant to be all about Brexit and May as leader. Only by making it about Austerity and the Tory record was Labour able to turn the polls around in the way that they did and increase their own share and number of votes by more than at any time since 1945. I doubt you'd get many people to say they were "impressed" with the Tory record on the economy since 2010 and virtually no one with any understanding of economics would be impressed.
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CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 18 Jul 17 12.34pm

Originally posted by Willo

Rearrange words "Black the calling kettle pot".

Just read some archetypal 'Socialist Worker' hogwash.

Clearly millions of people were impressed by the Tory record on the economy - the party had massively increased vote, both absolutely and as a share of the votes cast.

If you think that's why people voted Tory in the election you're barking. Remember this election was meant to be all about Brexit and May as leader. Only by making it about Austerity and the Tory record was Labour able to turn the polls around in the way that they did and increase their own share and number of votes by more than at any time since 1945.

I doubt you'd get many people to say they were "impressed" with the Tory record on the economy since 2010 and virtually no one with any understanding of economics would be impressed.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 18 Jul 17 12.35pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Well perhaps we need to agree on when the pursuit of 'equality' starts to, as you said, "place restrictions on people's freedom". We can safely become far far more equal without that being a concern. It's currently more of a case of inequality placing restrictions on freedoms, opportunities and social and economic mobility.
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Sydenham 18 Jul 17 12.35pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Well perhaps we need to agree on when the pursuit of 'equality' starts to, as you said, "place restrictions on people's freedom".

We can safely become far far more equal without that being a concern. It's currently more of a case of inequality placing restrictions on freedoms, opportunities and social and economic mobility.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 18 Jul 17 12.37pm
Originally posted by Willo Rearrange words "Black the calling kettle pot". Just read some archetypal 'Socialist Worker' hogwash. Clearly millions of people were impressed by the Tory record on the economy - the party had massively increased vote, both absolutely and as a share of the votes cast. FYI my points I try and back up with analysis and data. Yours either have nothing or simply misleading stats with no analysis of the cause or implication of that data.
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CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 18 Jul 17 12.37pm

Originally posted by Willo

Rearrange words "Black the calling kettle pot".

Just read some archetypal 'Socialist Worker' hogwash.

Clearly millions of people were impressed by the Tory record on the economy - the party had massively increased vote, both absolutely and as a share of the votes cast.

FYI my points I try and back up with analysis and data. Yours either have nothing or simply misleading stats with no analysis of the cause or implication of that data.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Jul 17 12.42pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle FYI my points I try and back up with analysis and data. Yours either have nothing or simply misleading stats with no analysis of the cause or implication of that data. Just like Corbyn and his 'Fantasy Economics' manifesto. And you use the word "Misleading" in reference to 'Yours Truly'. I could dredge up a lot of facts/data if I cared to do so but I suspect many would find them as tedious and 'Interesting' as the ones you post as part of your Leftie agenda.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Jul 17 12.42pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

FYI my points I try and back up with analysis and data. Yours either have nothing or simply misleading stats with no analysis of the cause or implication of that data.

Just like Corbyn and his 'Fantasy Economics' manifesto.
And you use the word "Misleading" in reference to 'Yours Truly'.

I could dredge up a lot of facts/data if I cared to do so but I suspect many would find them as tedious and 'Interesting' as the ones you post as part of your Leftie agenda.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Jul 17 12.50pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle If you think that's why people voted Tory in the election you're barking. Remember this election was meant to be all about Brexit and May as leader. Only by making it about Austerity and the Tory record was Labour able to turn the polls around in the way that they did and increase their own share and number of votes by more than at any time since 1945. I doubt you'd get many people to say they were "impressed" with the Tory record on the economy since 2010 and virtually no one with any understanding of economics would be impressed. The way you are going on you would think that Labour had actually WON the election. For your information they finished a million votes and 56 seats back from the Conservatives. I re-iterate, Labour promised what they simply couldn't deliver as part of their "Costed" (Joke, joke!) manifesto in that 'Chairman Mao' book. One of the reasons for the Conservatives not getting a substantial majority is that my party did not make an economic case during the election.The Chancellor was conspicuous by his absence (Not his fault) and the economic argument was never made.My party simply did not show, in detail, how the Labour plans were totally unaffordable and a total and utter fantasy.They got away with 'Murder' - it won't happen again. Going out now to get some sunshine ! Edited by Willo (18 Jul 2017 12.58pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Jul 17 12.50pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I doubt you'd get many people to say they were "impressed" with the Tory record on the economy since 2010 and virtually no one with any understanding of economics would be impressed.

The way you are going on you would think that Labour had actually WON the election.
For your information they finished a million votes and 56 seats back from the Conservatives.

I re-iterate, Labour promised what they simply couldn't deliver as part of their "Costed" (Joke, joke!) manifesto in that 'Chairman Mao' book.

One of the reasons for the Conservatives not getting a substantial majority is that my party did not make an economic case during the election.The Chancellor was conspicuous by his absence (Not his fault) and the economic argument was never made.My party simply did not show, in detail, how the Labour plans were totally unaffordable and a total and utter fantasy.They got away with 'Murder' - it won't happen again.

Going out now to get some sunshine !

Edited by Willo (18 Jul 2017 12.58pm)

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hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Jul 17 1.08pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle We can safely become far far more equal without that being a concern. It's currently more of a case of inequality placing restrictions on freedoms, opportunities and social and economic mobility. Restrictions on peoples' freedom (your words) is a serious thing is it not. At what point in your plans for the redistribution of wealth does freedom become compromised? It's like saying smoking causes cancer but you will be ok if you only smoke a few a day. Edited by hedgehog50 (18 Jul 2017 3.14pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 18 Jul 17 1.08pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

We can safely become far far more equal without that being a concern. It's currently more of a case of inequality placing restrictions on freedoms, opportunities and social and economic mobility.

Restrictions on peoples' freedom (your words) is a serious thing is it not. At what point in your plans for the redistribution of wealth does freedom become compromised? It's like saying smoking causes cancer but you will be ok if you only smoke a few a day.

Edited by hedgehog50 (18 Jul 2017 3.14pm)

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