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SeagullHunter Flag Reading 15 Dec 16 12.57pm Send a Private Message to SeagullHunter Add SeagullHunter as a friend

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Dec 16 2.50pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

But British people who do it are a better class than all those f***ing immigrants innit. We will only read about immigrants doing it.
It gives the last lot of scapegoats, single mums, a deserved breather.

As a citizen and tax payer you should be unhappy about anyone claiming money they are not entitled to. Why anyone would be supportive of benefit tourists I don't know.
It's not a moral judgment, it's a practical problem.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 15 Dec 16 3.04pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

As a citizen and tax payer you should be unhappy about anyone claiming money they are not entitled to. Why anyone would be supportive of benefit tourists I don't know.
It's not a moral judgment, it's a practical problem.

Have you got figures so substantiate how much of a practical problem it is. Be interesting to see the facts vs the rhetoric.

Remember we are talking about those 'on the fiddle ' working and claiming jsa.

Edited by nickgusset (15 Dec 2016 3.05pm)

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Have you got figures so substantiate how much of a practical problem it is. Be interesting to see the facts vs the rhetoric.

Remember we are talking about those 'on the fiddle ' working and claiming jsa.

Edited by nickgusset (15 Dec 2016 3.05pm)

I'm not talking about figures,I'm talking about the practical issues.
Do you or do you not approve of benefit tourism?

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Dec 16 3.48pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm not talking about figures,I'm talking about the practical issues.
Do you or do you not approve of benefit tourism?

Is it even a thing? You have to be in the UK for a period of at least three years of working to be eligible for benefits as an EU Migrant. The only people who have immediate access to welfare benefits are British Citizens and Asylum Applicants, who are forbidden from working (and successful asylum applicants who are covered as working citizens - but may not be able to find work easily).

Whilst you would have some access to welfare, its the same as that which would be applicable to any tourist (such as access to the NHS, which technically is recoverable, but generally not practical to do so).

Some of the stories around this make it sound like you can just rock up at Dover and sign on. The only way you can do that is by claiming asylum (and as I said, you get benefits due to being forbidden from working until you get either a working permit or permission to stay).

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Dec 16 3.55pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Is it even a thing? You have to be in the UK for a period of at least three years of working to be eligible for benefits as an EU Migrant. The only people who have immediate access to welfare benefits are British Citizens and Asylum Applicants, who are forbidden from working (and successful asylum applicants who are covered as working citizens - but may not be able to find work easily).

Whilst you would have some access to welfare, its the same as that which would be applicable to any tourist (such as access to the NHS, which technically is recoverable, but generally not practical to do so).

Some of the stories around this make it sound like you can just rock up at Dover and sign on. The only way you can do that is by claiming asylum (and as I said, you get benefits due to being forbidden from working until you get either a working permit or permission to stay).

So asylum seekers are entitled to benefits.

How many I wonder are genuine candidates and how many just want to start a new life with a bit of help from tax payers money?

I don't suppose there are official figures on that.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Dec 16 4.15pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So asylum seekers are entitled to benefits.

How many I wonder are genuine candidates and how many just want to start a new life with a bit of help from tax payers money?

I don't suppose there are official figures on that.

Only those who are accepted as being able to apply. And its limited to housing, and 36 per adult per week or thereabouts, with a top up for children (who will be placed in schools etc) along with legal aid for their application to remain (or become citizens).

There isn't really a better option, as asylum seekers aren't allowed to work. So its a pretty s**t form of benefit tourism, as many will have spent or lost more on getting here, than they will gain in benefits.

There are some official figures, out there, its varies from 21,000 to 29,000 per year over the last ten years. Around half of claims are successful (about 45-49% each year, but that includes appeals - so failing and then appealing would distort that figure downwards).

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Dec 16 4.20pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So asylum seekers are entitled to benefits.

How many I wonder are genuine candidates and how many just want to start a new life with a bit of help from tax payers money?

I don't suppose there are official figures on that.

Well you have to come from one of the countries on the list of known human rights abusers, etc and generally have to reasonable show that they're at danger if returned home of persecution, torture and murder. Chances are you don't make it from Sudan to the UK, without having a pretty good reason to give up everything on the chance of making it.

I'd imagine some slip by, but its kind of hard to warrant tightening up on a few, when the alternative is sending people back who will be tortured and murdered.

Some solicitor friends of mine worked Asylum Cases. High turnover of solicitors, its some heart breaking and harrowing stuff in there.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 15 Dec 16 4.29pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm not talking about figures,I'm talking about the practical issues.
Do you or do you not approve of benefit tourism?

Of course I don't approve.

Now can you substantiate how much of a problem it is and what are the details of the practical issues.


Also I've noticed you haven't answered the question 'can a black person be construed as Islamophobic if they shout 'i want to kill a muslim' before stabbing someone?

 

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Well you have to come from one of the countries on the list of known human rights abusers, etc and generally have to reasonable show that they're at danger if returned home of persecution, torture and murder. Chances are you don't make it from Sudan to the UK, without having a pretty good reason to give up everything on the chance of making it.

I'd imagine some slip by, but its kind of hard to warrant tightening up on a few, when the alternative is sending people back who will be tortured and murdered.

Some solicitor friends of mine worked Asylum Cases. High turnover of solicitors, its some heart breaking and harrowing stuff in there.

I don't doubt it. The trouble is that the flow of asylum seekers will increase dramatically over the decades to come and I bet no one has a plan as to what to do about it.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Dec 16 5.23pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Of course I don't approve.

Now can you substantiate how much of a problem it is and what are the details of the practical issues.


Also I've noticed you haven't answered the question 'can a black person be construed as Islamophobic if they shout 'i want to kill a muslim' before stabbing someone?

There is no "of course" about it.

And your second question is laughable in the contest of why you started this thread.
Since you are now forced to ask the question to cover your disappointment that the culprit was not a blond bloke dressed in a home made SS uniform, let me ask you if the spate of attacks carried out across the world by Muslims were anti Western or Anti British or Anti Christian or the fault of all Muslims everywhere or because of their ethnicity?

I mean, since you care so much about the these sorts of questions.....

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 15 Dec 16 5.40pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There is no "of course" about it.

And your second question is laughable in the contest of why you started this thread.
Since you are now forced to ask the question to cover your disappointment that the culprit was not a blond bloke dressed in a home made SS uniform, let me ask you if the spate of attacks carried out across the world by Muslims were anti Western or Anti British or Anti Christian or the fault of all Muslims everywhere or because of their ethnicity?

I mean, since you care so much about the these sorts of questions.....

The classic not answering a question by asking one diversion.

What are the practical problems you spoke of and what do you have to substantiate this?

If you can't answer, don't worry.

If you don't know if shouting 'i want to kill a Muslim ' is Islamophobic or not, that's OK. Just say so.
Why did I start this thread? Local news, Islamophobic comments by the perpetrator showing how hate crimes are rising. Not a valid discussion..

Edited by nickgusset (15 Dec 2016 5.51pm)

 

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