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Ray in Houston Houston 10 Aug 16 6.10pm | |
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Originally posted by nairb75
in addition, he's stated that he doesn't care about our defense agreements. our nuclear pacts included. so if you're japan, south korea, etc, then you may have no nuclear defense. so those countries must think about if they need to start their own nuclear programs.
at least he can pronounce the word "nuclear".
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chris123 hove actually 10 Aug 16 6.12pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
He was Director of the CIA, who weren't involved. It was the national security council. The CIA in 1986 did ship some missiles to an Iranian official, as ahe reward for involvement in freeing US hostages - and to allow him to save face and preserve his position (as an asset). The CIA was funding the Contras, until the UN declared them a terrorist group and censured the US for state sponsoring of terrorism. In response, unable to filter funds via the CIA legally, the National Security Council took to selling weapons to the Iranians for money to fund the Contras (and knowingly illegally). Of course, the CIA wasn't entirely squeaky clean, as they'd been involved in the transfer of cocaine sold in the US, to fund paramilitary death squads in south America.... ??? What you talking about!!! He was Vice President for both terms, and CIA was before he went into politics.
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Ray in Houston Houston 10 Aug 16 6.15pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
State sponsor of terrorism by the UN, weapons to Iran against their own embargo, to fugnd the contras (a UN declared terrorist organisation) and the rise of Neo-Conservatism. Grant rigging, the Inslaw affair, savings and loans bailout, Operation Illwind and debate gate
If he ran today, at Tea Party rallies they'd paint a Hitler moustache on him and call him a communist.
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Ray in Houston Houston 10 Aug 16 6.38pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Oddly, Nixon, wasn't actually all that, compared to the s**t that Regan, Clinton and GW Bush got away with, and can probably feel a bit hard done by, given he'd racked up some credible foreign policy achievements. Of course, he looked like a crook, spoke like a crook, and kind of got caught with his hand in the jar.
Since then, every major party candidate has released his or her tax returns. In 2012, Mitt Romney faced significant criticism for releasing only partial returns - they were damaging enough given his wealth and relatively tiny tax burden - and the inference behind his refusal to release full returns was that there was greater damage to be done by releasing than the negative image of holding back the full returns. Clinton has come under fire for the outrageous speaking fees she has been trousering from Wall Street; something which became known only because of her tax returns being posted on her campaign website. So this has been S.O.P. in Presidential politics since the 1960s, that is, until Donald J. Trump. He has refused to release anything of his personal taxes, claiming that he cannot because he's under audit. While it's impossible to verify if this is true or not, it makes no difference. These are not court-sealed documents; they're his personal financial records and he can do with them as he wishes. He has already claimed to be stinking rich - it was one of the pillars of his primary campaign - so he doesn't have the same concerns as Romney over proving that fact. So why not release? Speculation revolves around: (1) the likelihood that he's nowhere near as rich as he claims (Forbes puts him at less than half of what he says he's worth) and the returns will prove it; (2) that his net income is tiny because of how leveraged he is believed to be; (3) that his bragged about charitable donations aren't anywhere close to his claims, and may be non-existent; and/or (4) that it will show just how much he is in hock to Russians. Now, he can dispell any and all speculation by releasing the returns. Yet he continues to hold them back. Thus the endless proliferation of theories about what unspeakable horrors lie therein.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Aug 16 7.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Since then, every major party candidate has released his or her tax returns. In 2012, Mitt Romney faced significant criticism for releasing only partial returns - they were damaging enough given his wealth and relatively tiny tax burden - and the inference behind his refusal to release full returns was that there was greater damage to be done by releasing than the negative image of holding back the full returns. Clinton has come under fire for the outrageous speaking fees she has been trousering from Wall Street; something which became known only because of her tax returns being posted on her campaign website. So this has been S.O.P. in Presidential politics since the 1960s, that is, until Donald J. Trump. He has refused to release anything of his personal taxes, claiming that he cannot because he's under audit. While it's impossible to verify if this is true or not, it makes no difference. These are not court-sealed documents; they're his personal financial records and he can do with them as he wishes. He has already claimed to be stinking rich - it was one of the pillars of his primary campaign - so he doesn't have the same concerns as Romney over proving that fact. So why not release? Speculation revolves around: (1) the likelihood that he's nowhere near as rich as he claims (Forbes puts him at less than half of what he says he's worth) and the returns will prove it; (2) that his net income is tiny because of how leveraged he is believed to be; (3) that his bragged about charitable donations aren't anywhere close to his claims, and may be non-existent; and/or (4) that it will show just how much he is in hock to Russians. Now, he can dispell any and all speculation by releasing the returns. Yet he continues to hold them back. Thus the endless proliferation of theories about what unspeakable horrors lie therein. 5. He hasn't been straight about taxes - which will really anger his blue-collar support. Claimed his wigs as tax deductible.
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Stirlingsays 10 Aug 16 7.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
I just scrolled through the first 3 pages of the BBC's YouTube channel [Link] and attached a screenshot. It has 5 stories on Donald Trump – all negative. It also has a positive story on President Barack Obama of the Democrats. Where's the balance? Edited by Penge Eagle (10 Aug 2016 6.10am)
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Stirlingsays 10 Aug 16 7.58pm | |
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Originally posted by nairb75
in addition, he's stated that he doesn't care about our defense agreements. our nuclear pacts included. so if you're japan, south korea, etc, then you may have no nuclear defense. so those countries must think about if they need to start their own nuclear programs. Errrr....I said where's the evidence? I mean don't you even care about honesty? If a news story comes from an 'un-named source', then you are frankly dishonest to then use that within a claim. You present title tattle as proof. In a court of law that would be called hearsay. As for Trump's pronouncements on defence agreements. Frankly Trump's annoyance with Europe and others attitude to their own defence is completely correct. The left have for decades complained about America being the world's policemen and now you and others complain when Trump asks why are the US paying for the defence of nations who can afford to defend themselves. Trump is wholly correct to insisting that the US's fiscal commitment to Nato is bought down to fair levels and his only means to achieve that is to threaten to withdrawn support. Realistically if an invasion of Nato countries happened then the US wouldn't stand by....for a lot more reasons than what Trump thinks.....But fair financial input for defence....Trump is completely correct. There is considerable anti US feeling from the left in the west yet the US has blooded its young men on many a European battle field....There are many many houses in this country built from US Marshal plan money...houses plenty of ignorant left wingers like to thank the post war Labour party for ....The US, now and historically gets little but contempt from many on the left in Europe and as usual the left's ideology means eventually everyone have to suffer. The left certainly have never represented me with their attitude to the US. Again...the sensible people who support the UK's independent nuclear defense see why its important....because none of us know what scenarios are possible.....France also realise this....But Europe in general....bunch of defence free loaders. Whatever Trump does or doesn't do....these islands will be defended. .....as long as the ideological 'Corbyn' types are kept away from power that is.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Aug 16 8.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Errrr....I said where's the evidence? I mean don't you even care about honesty? If a news story comes from an 'un-named source', then you are frankly dishonest to then use that within a claim. You present title tattle as proof. In a court of law that would be called hearsay. As for Trump's pronouncements on defence agreements. Frankly Trump's annoyance with Europe and others attitude to their own defence is completely correct. The left have for decades complained about America being the world's policemen and now you and others complain when Trump asks why are the US paying for the defence of nations who can afford to defend themselves. Trump is wholly correct to insisting that the US's fiscal commitment to Nato is bought down to fair levels and his only means to achieve that is to threaten to withdrawn support. Realistically if an invasion of Nato countries happened then the US wouldn't stand by....for a lot more reasons than what Trump thinks.....But fair financial input for defence....Trump is completely correct. There is considerable anti US feeling from the left in the west yet the US has blooded its young men on many a European battle field....There are many many houses in this country built from US Marshal plan money...houses plenty of ignorant left wingers like to thank the post war Labour party for ....The US, now and historically gets little but contempt from many on the left in Europe and as usual the left's ideology means eventually everyone have to suffer. The left certainly have never represented me with their attitude to the US. Again...the sensible people who support the UK's independent nuclear defense see why its important....because none of us know what scenarios are possible.....France also realise this....But Europe in general....bunch of defence free loaders. Whatever Trump does or doesn't do....these islands will be defended. .....as long as the ideological 'Corbyn' types are kept away from power that is. I'm pretty sure we are one of those free-loaders too. We had to be told to increase our defence budget by NATO. I think Trump's current stance on making NATO pay or not helping out is a little worrying, in particular with constant Russian sabre wagging.. He seems to think war is a profit making company business or the USA shouldn't get involved. Back to topic, one has to wonder whether Britain has always considered itself less Republican than the US and has a natural affinity with Democrat politics - which are closest to most of our own? The BBC is undoubtedly PC and Liberal (even with a smattering of old Marxists) so are pretty much bound to not support the capitalist. I used to love Clarkson's attitude towards the BBC and believed there was a hint of truth in it.
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Stirlingsays 10 Aug 16 10.05pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I'm pretty sure we are one of those free-loaders too. We had to be told to increase our defence budget by NATO. I think Trump's current stance on making NATO pay or not helping out is a little worrying, in particular with constant Russian sabre wagging.. He seems to think war is a profit making company business or the USA shouldn't get involved. Back to topic, one has to wonder whether Britain has always considered itself less Republican than the US and has a natural affinity with Democrat politics - which are closest to most of our own? The BBC is undoubtedly PC and Liberal (even with a smattering of old Marxists) so are pretty much bound to not support the capitalist. I used to love Clarkson's attitude towards the BBC and believed there was a hint of truth in it. We can hardly be viewed as free loaders. We are one of only two European states (France being the other) with an independent nuclear deterrent....which implicitly also protects Europe along with the US. We operate a two percent spend on defence, which translates to 56.2 billion a years which makes us the fifth highest spending country on defence in the world. Nato wouldn't be saying we don't do enough on defence.....what it is implicitly saying is that because the useless lefty socialist governments in Europe don't spend enough on defence we need you to fill the gaps......because you always have. Uk free loaders....huh! It affects us but Trump doesn't have a problem with the UK on defence....quite rightly he's pointing out an imbalance that has existed since the cold war.
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Stirlingsays 10 Aug 16 10.15pm | |
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I would agree though that the UK isn't republican by majority nature. However Trump is quite left wing on quite a few republican areas....of course you wouldn't know that if you followed much of the coverage on him. I'm drawn to Trump partly because of the lack of fairness and objectivity in how the media treat him.....of course I'm repelled by some of the stupidity of some of his comments but I'm also attracted to the straight talking....even if some of it is plainly BS. Clinton is the establishment and more of the same.....I can't be bothered with that...especially as she is corrupt as hell.....Her daughter's wedding cost three million dollars....Oh how profitable public service is.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Aug 16 10.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I would agree though that the UK isn't republican by majority nature. However Trump is quite left wing on quite a few republican areas....of course you wouldn't know that if you followed much of the coverage on him. I'm drawn to Trump partly because of the lack of fairness and objectivity in how the media treat him.....of course I'm repelled by some of the stupidity of some of his comments but I'm also attracted to the straight talking....even if some of it is plainly BS. Clinton is the establishment and more of the same.....I can't be bothered with that...especially as she is corrupt as hell.....Her daughter's wedding cost three million dollars....Oh how profitable public service is. And of course Trump is much more fun. Has to be worth some votes this straight-talking. Boris was a little like that in the past. Perhaps some of ours should try telling the truth, or how they honestly feel about issues sometimes. Still probably mainly point-scoring rhetoric than anything with substance but nevertheless entertaining.
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Rubin 10 Aug 16 11.07pm | |
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Originally posted by nairb75
i didn't say it was. clinton has been around a long time. plenty of corruption to be sniffed out. but the accusations are so ridiuculous at this point that i almost believe none of them. the bit about her "stealing the election" is regarding the super-delegate model, which is perfectly legal. There's a bit more to it than just the super delegate issue. They're not accusations. They're all provable. Perhaps it's worth actually looking in to, as having a person in power who's done the things she has is quite serious, and not just Americans. If Trump had done one of the things she's done, he would have rightly not have even been in the presidential race in the first place. Trump may say stupid things, but she's done truly criminal things and gets away with it, mainly as she helped put her pal Loretta Lynch as attorney general and has the backing of the media.
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