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Sedlescombe Flag Sedlescombe 31 Jul 15 4.57pm Send a Private Message to Sedlescombe Add Sedlescombe as a friend

Quote A bakery in Northern Ireland (where same sex marriage is illegal) was prosecuted for refusing to produce a cake in support of same sex marriage. It therefore appears that gay rights extend to forcing people to express support for something that is in itself illegal.


They are not expressing support for anything they are making a cake

If you open a business you open it to everyone.

Interesting how people who probably wouldn't dare come on expressing racist opinions are happy to express homophobic ones. Why is that?

 

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It's not that at all. Why shouldn't gay people have the same rights as straight people, or black people the same as whites. The problem is that this obsession with diversity is going so far that some groups are getting even more rights just because some people-usually of a liberal dis-position -are petrified of being branded sexist, racist, fascist. It's becoming ridiculous now. We got on fine before all this nonsense. The British people are the most tolerant people on this planet.


Do you honestly believe that?

I must have imagined the late 70s and 80s, and the National Front and ****bashing etc.



But we're not in the 70's and 80's are we? The nineties and the noughties showed that people are a lot more civilised due to better education and more awareness of what's going on in the world. Your argument is flawed if you think that people nowadays still have the mentality of people in the 70's and 80's.


This is pure pie in the sky with nothing to back it up.



I don't think anyone is civilized.


Both in your humble opinions.

What is pie in the sky anyway? I'm pretty sure people are more aware of social issues and attitudes have changed greatly since the 70' and 80's, or are you one of those people who think that every English person is a 'little Englander' and knuckle scraping neanderthal? Don't bother answering, I know the answer.

Pie in the sky is a saying that translates roughly as 'complete rubbish' or 'a made up lie'.
Again, apart from the reassurance that 'you are sure' you prevent no evidence to back up your views.
I do not think that everybody from england is a 'little englander' or the term would have no context. The opinions that i associate with 'little englanders' are those sections of society that think that all problems are generally the fault of 'foreigners' and 'shirkers'. They also neglect to investigate issues and ascertain the facts before making grand statements that leave them open to ridicule.


I post my views, I don't feel the need to post stats and articles backing them up because they are my views. It doesn't matter what you post from Wikipedia or some new report doing the rounds, because there's no doubt that there'll be another report to the contrary. Lets take windfarms. For every scientist that says they're great there's a scientist that says they're useless. Posting the latest shiny article from some magazine you've read proves absolutely nothing other than you know how to post a link, spend your time scouring the internet and disagree with what I post, but it doesn't matter to me as my view does not change and my beliefs are still intact.

 

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It's not that at all. Why shouldn't gay people have the same rights as straight people, or black people the same as whites. The problem is that this obsession with diversity is going so far that some groups are getting even more rights just because some people-usually of a liberal dis-position -are petrified of being branded sexist, racist, fascist. It's becoming ridiculous now. We got on fine before all this nonsense. The British people are the most tolerant people on this planet.


Do you honestly believe that?

I must have imagined the late 70s and 80s, and the National Front and ****bashing etc.



But we're not in the 70's and 80's are we? The nineties and the noughties showed that people are a lot more civilised due to better education and more awareness of what's going on in the world. Your argument is flawed if you think that people nowadays still have the mentality of people in the 70's and 80's.


This is pure pie in the sky with nothing to back it up.



I don't think anyone is civilized.


Both in your humble opinions.

What is pie in the sky anyway? I'm pretty sure people are more aware of social issues and attitudes have changed greatly since the 70' and 80's, or are you one of those people who think that every English person is a 'little Englander' and knuckle scraping neanderthal? Don't bother answering, I know the answer.

Pie in the sky is a saying that translates roughly as 'complete rubbish' or 'a made up lie'.
Again, apart from the reassurance that 'you are sure' you prevent no evidence to back up your views.
I do not think that everybody from england is a 'little englander' or the term would have no context. The opinions that i associate with 'little englanders' are those sections of society that think that all problems are generally the fault of 'foreigners' and 'shirkers'. They also neglect to investigate issues and ascertain the facts before making grand statements that leave them open to ridicule.


I post my views, I don't feel the need to post stats and articles backing them up because they are my views. It doesn't matter what you post from Wikipedia or some new report doing the rounds, because there's no doubt that there'll be another report to the contrary. Lets take windfarms. For every scientist that says they're great there's a scientist that says they're useless. Posting the latest shiny article from some magazine you've read proves absolutely nothing other than you know how to post a link, spend your time scouring the internet and disagree with what I post, but it doesn't matter to me as my view does not change and my beliefs are still intact.

A refreshing honest post. No matter the evidence fed-up will never change his views. Classic!

 

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Quote Sedlescombe at 31 Jul 2015 4.57pm

Quote A bakery in Northern Ireland (where same sex marriage is illegal) was prosecuted for refusing to produce a cake in support of same sex marriage. It therefore appears that gay rights extend to forcing people to express support for something that is in itself illegal.


They are not expressing support for anything they are making a cake

If you open a business you open it to everyone.

Interesting how people who probably wouldn't dare come on expressing racist opinions are happy to express homophobic ones. Why is that?

They were asked to put wording on the cake of 'support same sex marriage'. Same sex marriage is not legal in Northern Ireland where the bakery is. It appears now that people have to pander to minority 'rights' where the particular 'right' in question is not in fact legal. The bakery did not of course discriminate because the person asking for the cake was gay, they objected to the cake wording, and would have objected if the customer had been heterosexual.

Interesting that the usual casual implications that someone is racist or homophobic are made by some people when views are expressed that they disagree with.

 


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It's not that at all. Why shouldn't gay people have the same rights as straight people, or black people the same as whites. The problem is that this obsession with diversity is going so far that some groups are getting even more rights just because some people-usually of a liberal dis-position -are petrified of being branded sexist, racist, fascist. It's becoming ridiculous now. We got on fine before all this nonsense. The British people are the most tolerant people on this planet.


Do you honestly believe that?

I must have imagined the late 70s and 80s, and the National Front and ****bashing etc.



But we're not in the 70's and 80's are we? The nineties and the noughties showed that people are a lot more civilised due to better education and more awareness of what's going on in the world. Your argument is flawed if you think that people nowadays still have the mentality of people in the 70's and 80's.


This is pure pie in the sky with nothing to back it up.



I don't think anyone is civilized.


Both in your humble opinions.

What is pie in the sky anyway? I'm pretty sure people are more aware of social issues and attitudes have changed greatly since the 70' and 80's, or are you one of those people who think that every English person is a 'little Englander' and knuckle scraping neanderthal? Don't bother answering, I know the answer.

Pie in the sky is a saying that translates roughly as 'complete rubbish' or 'a made up lie'.
Again, apart from the reassurance that 'you are sure' you prevent no evidence to back up your views.
I do not think that everybody from england is a 'little englander' or the term would have no context. The opinions that i associate with 'little englanders' are those sections of society that think that all problems are generally the fault of 'foreigners' and 'shirkers'. They also neglect to investigate issues and ascertain the facts before making grand statements that leave them open to ridicule.


I post my views, I don't feel the need to post stats and articles backing them up because they are my views. It doesn't matter what you post from Wikipedia or some new report doing the rounds, because there's no doubt that there'll be another report to the contrary. Lets take windfarms. For every scientist that says they're great there's a scientist that says they're useless. Posting the latest shiny article from some magazine you've read proves absolutely nothing other than you know how to post a link, spend your time scouring the internet and disagree with what I post, but it doesn't matter to me as my view does not change and my beliefs are still intact.

A refreshing honest post. No matter the evidence fed-up will never change his views. Classic!


But when the evidence is from left wing rags with an agenda why would I change my views, because ultimately I know the truth. If you want to believe leftist propaganda and not make up your own mind then that's up to you. Ifyou need to read a magazine to form your views on the world then that really says more about you than it does about me

 

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It's not that at all. Why shouldn't gay people have the same rights as straight people, or black people the same as whites. The problem is that this obsession with diversity is going so far that some groups are getting even more rights just because some people-usually of a liberal dis-position -are petrified of being branded sexist, racist, fascist. It's becoming ridiculous now. We got on fine before all this nonsense. The British people are the most tolerant people on this planet.


Do you honestly believe that?

I must have imagined the late 70s and 80s, and the National Front and ****bashing etc.



But we're not in the 70's and 80's are we? The nineties and the noughties showed that people are a lot more civilised due to better education and more awareness of what's going on in the world. Your argument is flawed if you think that people nowadays still have the mentality of people in the 70's and 80's.


This is pure pie in the sky with nothing to back it up.



I don't think anyone is civilized.


Both in your humble opinions.

What is pie in the sky anyway? I'm pretty sure people are more aware of social issues and attitudes have changed greatly since the 70' and 80's, or are you one of those people who think that every English person is a 'little Englander' and knuckle scraping neanderthal? Don't bother answering, I know the answer.

Pie in the sky is a saying that translates roughly as 'complete rubbish' or 'a made up lie'.
Again, apart from the reassurance that 'you are sure' you prevent no evidence to back up your views.
I do not think that everybody from england is a 'little englander' or the term would have no context. The opinions that i associate with 'little englanders' are those sections of society that think that all problems are generally the fault of 'foreigners' and 'shirkers'. They also neglect to investigate issues and ascertain the facts before making grand statements that leave them open to ridicule.


I post my views, I don't feel the need to post stats and articles backing them up because they are my views. It doesn't matter what you post from Wikipedia or some new report doing the rounds, because there's no doubt that there'll be another report to the contrary. Lets take windfarms. For every scientist that says they're great there's a scientist that says they're useless. Posting the latest shiny article from some magazine you've read proves absolutely nothing other than you know how to post a link, spend your time scouring the internet and disagree with what I post, but it doesn't matter to me as my view does not change and my beliefs are still intact.

A refreshing honest post. No matter the evidence fed-up will never change his views. Classic!


But when the evidence is from left wing rags with an agenda why would I change my views, because ultimately I know the truth. If you want to believe leftist propaganda and not make up your own mind then that's up to you. Ifyou need to read a magazine to form your views on the world then that really says more about you than it does about me

That’s just about the most arrogant thing i think you could have said. You also seem to hold a special contempt for people who do research, read and generally try and educate themselves about situations before they form a view. Says it all, and it’s a free world but i'd advise you for your own sake to try some education now and then.

 

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It's not that at all. Why shouldn't gay people have the same rights as straight people, or black people the same as whites. The problem is that this obsession with diversity is going so far that some groups are getting even more rights just because some people-usually of a liberal dis-position -are petrified of being branded sexist, racist, fascist. It's becoming ridiculous now. We got on fine before all this nonsense. The British people are the most tolerant people on this planet.


Do you honestly believe that?

I must have imagined the late 70s and 80s, and the National Front and ****bashing etc.



But we're not in the 70's and 80's are we? The nineties and the noughties showed that people are a lot more civilised due to better education and more awareness of what's going on in the world. Your argument is flawed if you think that people nowadays still have the mentality of people in the 70's and 80's.


This is pure pie in the sky with nothing to back it up.



I don't think anyone is civilized.


Both in your humble opinions.

What is pie in the sky anyway? I'm pretty sure people are more aware of social issues and attitudes have changed greatly since the 70' and 80's, or are you one of those people who think that every English person is a 'little Englander' and knuckle scraping neanderthal? Don't bother answering, I know the answer.

Pie in the sky is a saying that translates roughly as 'complete rubbish' or 'a made up lie'.
Again, apart from the reassurance that 'you are sure' you prevent no evidence to back up your views.
I do not think that everybody from england is a 'little englander' or the term would have no context. The opinions that i associate with 'little englanders' are those sections of society that think that all problems are generally the fault of 'foreigners' and 'shirkers'. They also neglect to investigate issues and ascertain the facts before making grand statements that leave them open to ridicule.


I post my views, I don't feel the need to post stats and articles backing them up because they are my views. It doesn't matter what you post from Wikipedia or some new report doing the rounds, because there's no doubt that there'll be another report to the contrary. Lets take windfarms. For every scientist that says they're great there's a scientist that says they're useless. Posting the latest shiny article from some magazine you've read proves absolutely nothing other than you know how to post a link, spend your time scouring the internet and disagree with what I post, but it doesn't matter to me as my view does not change and my beliefs are still intact.

A refreshing honest post. No matter the evidence fed-up will never change his views. Classic!


But when the evidence is from left wing rags with an agenda why would I change my views, because ultimately I know the truth. If you want to believe leftist propaganda and not make up your own mind then that's up to you. Ifyou need to read a magazine to form your views on the world then that really says more about you than it does about me

ultimately I know the truth

Blimey even the Dalai Lama doesn't claim that.

 

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It's not that at all. Why shouldn't gay people have the same rights as straight people, or black people the same as whites. The problem is that this obsession with diversity is going so far that some groups are getting even more rights just because some people-usually of a liberal dis-position -are petrified of being branded sexist, racist, fascist. It's becoming ridiculous now. We got on fine before all this nonsense. The British people are the most tolerant people on this planet.


Do you honestly believe that?

I must have imagined the late 70s and 80s, and the National Front and ****bashing etc.



But we're not in the 70's and 80's are we? The nineties and the noughties showed that people are a lot more civilised due to better education and more awareness of what's going on in the world. Your argument is flawed if you think that people nowadays still have the mentality of people in the 70's and 80's.


This is pure pie in the sky with nothing to back it up.



I don't think anyone is civilized.


Both in your humble opinions.

What is pie in the sky anyway? I'm pretty sure people are more aware of social issues and attitudes have changed greatly since the 70' and 80's, or are you one of those people who think that every English person is a 'little Englander' and knuckle scraping neanderthal? Don't bother answering, I know the answer.

Pie in the sky is a saying that translates roughly as 'complete rubbish' or 'a made up lie'.
Again, apart from the reassurance that 'you are sure' you prevent no evidence to back up your views.
I do not think that everybody from england is a 'little englander' or the term would have no context. The opinions that i associate with 'little englanders' are those sections of society that think that all problems are generally the fault of 'foreigners' and 'shirkers'. They also neglect to investigate issues and ascertain the facts before making grand statements that leave them open to ridicule.


I post my views, I don't feel the need to post stats and articles backing them up because they are my views. It doesn't matter what you post from Wikipedia or some new report doing the rounds, because there's no doubt that there'll be another report to the contrary. Lets take windfarms. For every scientist that says they're great there's a scientist that says they're useless. Posting the latest shiny article from some magazine you've read proves absolutely nothing other than you know how to post a link, spend your time scouring the internet and disagree with what I post, but it doesn't matter to me as my view does not change and my beliefs are still intact.

A refreshing honest post. No matter the evidence fed-up will never change his views. Classic!


But when the evidence is from left wing rags with an agenda why would I change my views, because ultimately I know the truth. If you want to believe leftist propaganda and not make up your own mind then that's up to you. Ifyou need to read a magazine to form your views on the world then that really says more about you than it does about me

That’s just about the most arrogant thing i think you could have said. You also seem to hold a special contempt for people who do research, read and generally try and educate themselves about situations before they form a view. Says it all, and it’s a free world but i'd advise you for your own sake to try some education now and then.


I think you're the only arrogant person on here. Nothing wrong with proper education, but propaganda isn't worth the paper it's written on. You get upset and name call anyone who disagrees with you, I'd say that's the most arrogant attitude I've ever encountered. I'm just confident in my views, you are quite immature and insecure, bless.

 

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It's not that at all. Why shouldn't gay people have the same rights as straight people, or black people the same as whites. The problem is that this obsession with diversity is going so far that some groups are getting even more rights just because some people-usually of a liberal dis-position -are petrified of being branded sexist, racist, fascist. It's becoming ridiculous now. We got on fine before all this nonsense. The British people are the most tolerant people on this planet.


Do you honestly believe that?

I must have imagined the late 70s and 80s, and the National Front and ****bashing etc.



But we're not in the 70's and 80's are we? The nineties and the noughties showed that people are a lot more civilised due to better education and more awareness of what's going on in the world. Your argument is flawed if you think that people nowadays still have the mentality of people in the 70's and 80's.


This is pure pie in the sky with nothing to back it up.



I don't think anyone is civilized.


Both in your humble opinions.

What is pie in the sky anyway? I'm pretty sure people are more aware of social issues and attitudes have changed greatly since the 70' and 80's, or are you one of those people who think that every English person is a 'little Englander' and knuckle scraping neanderthal? Don't bother answering, I know the answer.

Pie in the sky is a saying that translates roughly as 'complete rubbish' or 'a made up lie'.
Again, apart from the reassurance that 'you are sure' you prevent no evidence to back up your views.
I do not think that everybody from england is a 'little englander' or the term would have no context. The opinions that i associate with 'little englanders' are those sections of society that think that all problems are generally the fault of 'foreigners' and 'shirkers'. They also neglect to investigate issues and ascertain the facts before making grand statements that leave them open to ridicule.


I post my views, I don't feel the need to post stats and articles backing them up because they are my views. It doesn't matter what you post from Wikipedia or some new report doing the rounds, because there's no doubt that there'll be another report to the contrary. Lets take windfarms. For every scientist that says they're great there's a scientist that says they're useless. Posting the latest shiny article from some magazine you've read proves absolutely nothing other than you know how to post a link, spend your time scouring the internet and disagree with what I post, but it doesn't matter to me as my view does not change and my beliefs are still intact.

A refreshing honest post. No matter the evidence fed-up will never change his views. Classic!


But when the evidence is from left wing rags with an agenda why would I change my views, because ultimately I know the truth. If you want to believe leftist propaganda and not make up your own mind then that's up to you. Ifyou need to read a magazine to form your views on the world then that really says more about you than it does about me

That’s just about the most arrogant thing i think you could have said. You also seem to hold a special contempt for people who do research, read and generally try and educate themselves about situations before they form a view. Says it all, and it’s a free world but i'd advise you for your own sake to try some education now and then.


I think you're the only arrogant person on here. Nothing wrong with proper education, but propaganda isn't worth the paper it's written on. You get upset and name call anyone who disagrees with you, I'd say that's the most arrogant attitude I've ever encountered. I'm just confident in my views, you are quite immature and insecure, bless.

You clearly stated that 'ultimately i know the truth', which is both untrue and hugely conceited. I would ask how one can tell the difference between 'proper education' and propaganda but then i guess that you just 'know the truth'. I have not called you any names and would ask that you refrain from making up lies about posters to detract from your lack of logical reasoning. You are entitled to be confident in your views, but your claims for ownership of truth are misplaced and a little silly. I hope for your sake that you can learn to be a little more open minded and then you might possibly be able to contribute to debates in a meaningful way.

 

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It's not that at all. Why shouldn't gay people have the same rights as straight people, or black people the same as whites. The problem is that this obsession with diversity is going so far that some groups are getting even more rights just because some people-usually of a liberal dis-position -are petrified of being branded sexist, racist, fascist. It's becoming ridiculous now. We got on fine before all this nonsense. The British people are the most tolerant people on this planet.


Do you honestly believe that?

I must have imagined the late 70s and 80s, and the National Front and ****bashing etc.



But we're not in the 70's and 80's are we? The nineties and the noughties showed that people are a lot more civilised due to better education and more awareness of what's going on in the world. Your argument is flawed if you think that people nowadays still have the mentality of people in the 70's and 80's.


This is pure pie in the sky with nothing to back it up.



I don't think anyone is civilized.


Both in your humble opinions.

What is pie in the sky anyway? I'm pretty sure people are more aware of social issues and attitudes have changed greatly since the 70' and 80's, or are you one of those people who think that every English person is a 'little Englander' and knuckle scraping neanderthal? Don't bother answering, I know the answer.

Pie in the sky is a saying that translates roughly as 'complete rubbish' or 'a made up lie'.
Again, apart from the reassurance that 'you are sure' you prevent no evidence to back up your views.
I do not think that everybody from england is a 'little englander' or the term would have no context. The opinions that i associate with 'little englanders' are those sections of society that think that all problems are generally the fault of 'foreigners' and 'shirkers'. They also neglect to investigate issues and ascertain the facts before making grand statements that leave them open to ridicule.


I post my views, I don't feel the need to post stats and articles backing them up because they are my views. It doesn't matter what you post from Wikipedia or some new report doing the rounds, because there's no doubt that there'll be another report to the contrary. Lets take windfarms. For every scientist that says they're great there's a scientist that says they're useless. Posting the latest shiny article from some magazine you've read proves absolutely nothing other than you know how to post a link, spend your time scouring the internet and disagree with what I post, but it doesn't matter to me as my view does not change and my beliefs are still intact.

A refreshing honest post. No matter the evidence fed-up will never change his views. Classic!


But when the evidence is from left wing rags with an agenda why would I change my views, because ultimately I know the truth. If you want to believe leftist propaganda and not make up your own mind then that's up to you. Ifyou need to read a magazine to form your views on the world then that really says more about you than it does about me

That’s just about the most arrogant thing i think you could have said. You also seem to hold a special contempt for people who do research, read and generally try and educate themselves about situations before they form a view. Says it all, and it’s a free world but i'd advise you for your own sake to try some education now and then.


I think you're the only arrogant person on here. Nothing wrong with proper education, but propaganda isn't worth the paper it's written on. You get upset and name call anyone who disagrees with you, I'd say that's the most arrogant attitude I've ever encountered. I'm just confident in my views, you are quite immature and insecure, bless.

You clearly stated that 'ultimately i know the truth', which is both untrue and hugely conceited. I would ask how one can tell the difference between 'proper education' and propaganda but then i guess that you just 'know the truth'. I have not called you any names and would ask that you refrain from making up lies about posters to detract from your lack of logical reasoning. You are entitled to be confident in your views, but your claims for ownership of truth are misplaced and a little silly. I hope for your sake that you can learn to be a little more open minded and then you might possibly be able to contribute to debates in a meaningful way.


What a load of patronising bilge. How do you know I don't know the truth? Are you a higher being? Maybe you're God! I kneel down to you oh great one!
What lies have I made up about other posters?
'Lack of logical reasoning'? Well that's your opinion.
You really do give off the attitude of someone with a chip on their shoulder. I would suggest you should not be so patronising and dismissive of other people's views just because they don't match yours. I will admit to somewhat winding you up with 'the truth' thing as I knew it would get you going, and sure enough here you are getting all excited and abusive. Hook line and sinker.
I will stand by my claim though that no matter what left wing rubbish you type you will not change my mind or my opinions. You can shout until you're blue in the face and type furiously until your fingers bleed, but the fact is you couldn't construct a Lego set let alone a compelling argument that would get me to agree with you or change my views.

 

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It's not that at all. Why shouldn't gay people have the same rights as straight people, or black people the same as whites. The problem is that this obsession with diversity is going so far that some groups are getting even more rights just because some people-usually of a liberal dis-position -are petrified of being branded sexist, racist, fascist. It's becoming ridiculous now. We got on fine before all this nonsense. The British people are the most tolerant people on this planet.


Do you honestly believe that?

I must have imagined the late 70s and 80s, and the National Front and ****bashing etc.



But we're not in the 70's and 80's are we? The nineties and the noughties showed that people are a lot more civilised due to better education and more awareness of what's going on in the world. Your argument is flawed if you think that people nowadays still have the mentality of people in the 70's and 80's.


This is pure pie in the sky with nothing to back it up.



I don't think anyone is civilized.


Both in your humble opinions.

What is pie in the sky anyway? I'm pretty sure people are more aware of social issues and attitudes have changed greatly since the 70' and 80's, or are you one of those people who think that every English person is a 'little Englander' and knuckle scraping neanderthal? Don't bother answering, I know the answer.

Pie in the sky is a saying that translates roughly as 'complete rubbish' or 'a made up lie'.
Again, apart from the reassurance that 'you are sure' you prevent no evidence to back up your views.
I do not think that everybody from england is a 'little englander' or the term would have no context. The opinions that i associate with 'little englanders' are those sections of society that think that all problems are generally the fault of 'foreigners' and 'shirkers'. They also neglect to investigate issues and ascertain the facts before making grand statements that leave them open to ridicule.


I post my views, I don't feel the need to post stats and articles backing them up because they are my views. It doesn't matter what you post from Wikipedia or some new report doing the rounds, because there's no doubt that there'll be another report to the contrary. Lets take windfarms. For every scientist that says they're great there's a scientist that says they're useless. Posting the latest shiny article from some magazine you've read proves absolutely nothing other than you know how to post a link, spend your time scouring the internet and disagree with what I post, but it doesn't matter to me as my view does not change and my beliefs are still intact.

A refreshing honest post. No matter the evidence fed-up will never change his views. Classic!


But when the evidence is from left wing rags with an agenda why would I change my views, because ultimately I know the truth. If you want to believe leftist propaganda and not make up your own mind then that's up to you. Ifyou need to read a magazine to form your views on the world then that really says more about you than it does about me

That’s just about the most arrogant thing i think you could have said. You also seem to hold a special contempt for people who do research, read and generally try and educate themselves about situations before they form a view. Says it all, and it’s a free world but i'd advise you for your own sake to try some education now and then.


I think you're the only arrogant person on here. Nothing wrong with proper education, but propaganda isn't worth the paper it's written on. You get upset and name call anyone who disagrees with you, I'd say that's the most arrogant attitude I've ever encountered. I'm just confident in my views, you are quite immature and insecure, bless.

You clearly stated that 'ultimately i know the truth', which is both untrue and hugely conceited. I would ask how one can tell the difference between 'proper education' and propaganda but then i guess that you just 'know the truth'. I have not called you any names and would ask that you refrain from making up lies about posters to detract from your lack of logical reasoning. You are entitled to be confident in your views, but your claims for ownership of truth are misplaced and a little silly. I hope for your sake that you can learn to be a little more open minded and then you might possibly be able to contribute to debates in a meaningful way.


What a load of patronising bilge. How do you know I don't know the truth? Are you a higher being? Maybe you're God! I kneel down to you oh great one!
What lies have I made up about other posters?
'Lack of logical reasoning'? Well that's your opinion.
You really do give off the attitude of someone with a chip on their shoulder. I would suggest you should not be so patronising and dismissive of other people's views just because they don't match yours. I will admit to somewhat winding you up with 'the truth' thing as I knew it would get you going, and sure enough here you are getting all excited and abusive. Hook line and sinker.
I will stand by my claim though that no matter what left wing rubbish you type you will not change my mind or my opinions. You can shout until you're blue in the face and type furiously until your fingers bleed, but the fact is you couldn't construct a Lego set let alone a compelling argument that would get me to agree with you or change my views.


Firstly, this is an internet forum so i will not be shouting or uttering any verbal pronouncements. I will also not be typing until my 'fingers bleed' as you have already stated that no amount of evidence would convince you to change your views so there seems little point in using evidence and facts when dealing with a person such as yourself.
Your lack of logical reasoning is more than my opinion, your views are proclaimed as 'facts' with you even proclaiming that you 'know the truth' and then when it becomes apparent that this has made you look a little silly you try to back out of and claim it was some kind of joke. A more childish ruse i cannot recall.
I am patronising and dismissive of your views, but not because i disagree, but because you provide no evidential basis for any of you outlandish pronouncements you have made and then resort to immature name calling and fits of hysteria when challenged upon the thought process upon which your views are based.
As you have already stated, you will never change your views, so i fully accept that nobody on earth could change what you have opted to call 'your opinions'. I must say i think this is sad for you and i hope that you can try to open your mind and entertain the idea that other people might have valuable insights into some of the debates that are taking place.


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It's not that at all. Why shouldn't gay people have the same rights as straight people, or black people the same as whites. The problem is that this obsession with diversity is going so far that some groups are getting even more rights just because some people-usually of a liberal dis-position -are petrified of being branded sexist, racist, fascist. It's becoming ridiculous now. We got on fine before all this nonsense. The British people are the most tolerant people on this planet.


Do you honestly believe that?

I must have imagined the late 70s and 80s, and the National Front and ****bashing etc.



But we're not in the 70's and 80's are we? The nineties and the noughties showed that people are a lot more civilised due to better education and more awareness of what's going on in the world. Your argument is flawed if you think that people nowadays still have the mentality of people in the 70's and 80's.


This is pure pie in the sky with nothing to back it up.



I don't think anyone is civilized.


Both in your humble opinions.

What is pie in the sky anyway? I'm pretty sure people are more aware of social issues and attitudes have changed greatly since the 70' and 80's, or are you one of those people who think that every English person is a 'little Englander' and knuckle scraping neanderthal? Don't bother answering, I know the answer.

Pie in the sky is a saying that translates roughly as 'complete rubbish' or 'a made up lie'.
Again, apart from the reassurance that 'you are sure' you prevent no evidence to back up your views.
I do not think that everybody from england is a 'little englander' or the term would have no context. The opinions that i associate with 'little englanders' are those sections of society that think that all problems are generally the fault of 'foreigners' and 'shirkers'. They also neglect to investigate issues and ascertain the facts before making grand statements that leave them open to ridicule.


I post my views, I don't feel the need to post stats and articles backing them up because they are my views. It doesn't matter what you post from Wikipedia or some new report doing the rounds, because there's no doubt that there'll be another report to the contrary. Lets take windfarms. For every scientist that says they're great there's a scientist that says they're useless. Posting the latest shiny article from some magazine you've read proves absolutely nothing other than you know how to post a link, spend your time scouring the internet and disagree with what I post, but it doesn't matter to me as my view does not change and my beliefs are still intact.

A refreshing honest post. No matter the evidence fed-up will never change his views. Classic!


But when the evidence is from left wing rags with an agenda why would I change my views, because ultimately I know the truth. If you want to believe leftist propaganda and not make up your own mind then that's up to you. Ifyou need to read a magazine to form your views on the world then that really says more about you than it does about me

That’s just about the most arrogant thing i think you could have said. You also seem to hold a special contempt for people who do research, read and generally try and educate themselves about situations before they form a view. Says it all, and it’s a free world but i'd advise you for your own sake to try some education now and then.


I think you're the only arrogant person on here. Nothing wrong with proper education, but propaganda isn't worth the paper it's written on. You get upset and name call anyone who disagrees with you, I'd say that's the most arrogant attitude I've ever encountered. I'm just confident in my views, you are quite immature and insecure, bless.

You clearly stated that 'ultimately i know the truth', which is both untrue and hugely conceited. I would ask how one can tell the difference between 'proper education' and propaganda but then i guess that you just 'know the truth'. I have not called you any names and would ask that you refrain from making up lies about posters to detract from your lack of logical reasoning. You are entitled to be confident in your views, but your claims for ownership of truth are misplaced and a little silly. I hope for your sake that you can learn to be a little more open minded and then you might possibly be able to contribute to debates in a meaningful way.


What a load of patronising bilge. How do you know I don't know the truth? Are you a higher being? Maybe you're God! I kneel down to you oh great one!
What lies have I made up about other posters?
'Lack of logical reasoning'? Well that's your opinion.
You really do give off the attitude of someone with a chip on their shoulder. I would suggest you should not be so patronising and dismissive of other people's views just because they don't match yours. I will admit to somewhat winding you up with 'the truth' thing as I knew it would get you going, and sure enough here you are getting all excited and abusive. Hook line and sinker.
I will stand by my claim though that no matter what left wing rubbish you type you will not change my mind or my opinions. You can shout until you're blue in the face and type furiously until your fingers bleed, but the fact is you couldn't construct a Lego set let alone a compelling argument that would get me to agree with you or change my views.


Firstly, this is an internet forum so i will not be shouting or uttering any verbal pronouncements. I will also not be typing until my 'fingers bleed' as you have already stated that no amount of evidence would convince you to change your views so there seems little point in using evidence and facts when dealing with a person such as yourself.
Your lack of logical reasoning is more than my opinion, your views are proclaimed as 'facts' with you even proclaiming that you 'know the truth' and then when it becomes apparent that this has made you look a little silly you try to back out of and claim it was some kind of joke. A more childish ruse i cannot recall.
I am patronising and dismissive of your views, but not because i disagree, but because you provide no evidential basis for any of you outlandish pronouncements you have made and then resort to immature name calling and fits of hysteria when challenged upon the thought process upon which your views are based.
As you have already stated, you will never change your views, so i fully accept that nobody on earth could change what you have opted to call 'your opinions'. I must say i think this is sad for you and i hope that you can try to open your mind and entertain the idea that other people might have valuable insights into some of the debates that are taking place.


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The whole point of someones view is it's exactly that. It doesn't need to be backed up because it is a view. If you choose to see it that I have stated it as fact then that is your choice. My mind is perfectly open to sensible views and debate. I would say your mind is the one that is closed as if the view isn't of a left wing variety then it bares no weight with you.
Also, I really do not recall name calling you, you really don't rank that highly in my train of thought. I don't think it 'sad' that I don't fall for leftist propaganda like you do. As for proclaiming that I know the truth, well that was simply a rouse to wind you up, but naturally you have chosen to translate it a something completely different, but then that is your right.
My views are not based on hysteria, what they are based on is what I read, see on the news and other sources. I find it sad that you will not look at ALL the arguments on a subject before reaching a conclusion. I have been well travelled, served eight years in the British army and feel that I am worldly wise enough to make my own views. I have seen many different cultures at first hand and feel that my views are reasonably well educated, especially on these people who have invaded Calais and intend to invade us. That is all I have to say on this and you should let it rest, instead of parrotting on about it.

 

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