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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 19 3.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
You are not obliged to read, or comment, on my replies. I won't be offended. It makes laugh when people like you are always trying to explain yourselves. Edited by Park Road (28 Apr 2019 12.21pm) That's OK then because I don't care about your opinion either. I am glad that we can end in agreement.
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 28 Apr 19 3.18pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Have we left yet? Soon, Real soon.........
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Park Road 28 Apr 19 3.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's OK then because I don't care about your opinion either. I am glad that we can end in agreement.
What I have highlighted in your response (in bold)is your narcissistic childish whimsical and obsessive way of getting even. Let me make myself clear we have never been in agreement... and nothing has ended Edited by Park Road (28 Apr 2019 3.27pm)
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Stirlingsays 28 Apr 19 3.51pm | |
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I don't believe anything this guy says anymore. He even speaks up for those that lie and shape narratives so essentially it's people like him who are the problem.
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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Apr 19 4.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I didn't say I had it tough. Having witnessed real poverty elsewhere in the world by people who still manage to stay happy I, and just about everyone else in the UK, have nothing to complain about. I was responding to the suggestion I was middle class and "entitled" when my background is far from that. Perhaps I am self righteous but that's grown over the years with my confidence, which was sadly lacking in my youth. I am confident of my opinions and not intimidated by others, no matter if I am in a minority of one. When I see bs I say so. If it makes anyone stop and think then I am happy. I don't expect to change your mind either. As my "attitude" is to resist any drift towards a divided, untruthful, selfish, uncaring society, which takes us backwards, I see any determination to resist it something which itself needs to be fiercely resisted, by reason and well structured argument. UK politics has gradually evolved to ensure a fairer more inclusive society and I for one am determined that progress will be continued. The kind of politics promoted by the likes of Farage, Rees Mogg, Cash et al is an affront to decency and to me. I see it in the USA with Trump and I don't want it established here. Fortunately I see a very much smaller group of people here who are in the bubble of believing in Trump like solutions than in the USA. There is a small hard core, of which you are one, and a current softer outer circle because of Brexit, who will drift away to the centre again once this is all over. It won't be us as individuals who will decide. It will be at the ballot box. I will be doing my best never fear. But not the Referendum on Brexit because that is different. I am not hardcore anything political. I just oppose people who promote their deluded nonsense that is ruining out Western society.
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dannyboy1978 28 Apr 19 5.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
But not the Referendum on Brexit because that is different. I am not hardcore anything political. I just oppose people who promote their deluded nonsense that is ruining out Western society. What if they are factual but inconvenient?
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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Apr 19 7.02pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
What if they are factual but inconvenient? For example?
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Invalid user 2019 28 Apr 19 9.16pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Have we left yet? 5 or 6 more holidays and a couple of extensions and they might remember that they're supposed to be sorting it.
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dannyboy1978 28 Apr 19 9.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
For example?
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Invalid user 2019 28 Apr 19 9.22pm | |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Seems currently the whole debate is revolving round technicalities like "it was an advisory referendum" and "people where lied to". Fair points but for me they aren't strong enough to reverse the result of the referendum. As a nation that's very slowly moving towards leaving the EU I think that people's vote and the EU really have to offer something substantial to reverse the decision to a leave. There needs to be a carrot. Continually beating the UK with a stick doesn't change people's feelings towards the EU. If we leave or agree a decent deal, there's always the option to revisit the decision years down the line, so the panic stations attitude by some is OTT. This dream of pulling the plug on the decision of the public, or having another vote, leaves so many people disenfranchised that it's just not viable in my view. Then again politicians do whatever is convenience for themselves and their interests so god only knows what the eventual outcome will be.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 19 9.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
But not the Referendum on Brexit because that is different. I am not hardcore anything political. I just oppose people who promote their deluded nonsense that is ruining out Western society. As I have explained elsewhere no referendum has any legal force in the UK. It's relevance depends solely on the commitments made to respect it. Commitments which can be withdrawn in the light of events. Therefore the only ballot box which matters is that we use when choosing who represents us. Far from "ruining Western society" it's being protected in the mother of parliaments. In re-enforcing the principal that parliament is sovereign we are protecting ourselves from the kind of autocracy that is emerging elsewhere. This is a battle which is very important and absolutely must be won. I give due credit to those brave MPs who are standing up to the pressure of the whips and the system and doing what they believe is right for us.
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Invalid user 2019 28 Apr 19 9.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As I have explained elsewhere no referendum has any legal force in the UK. It's relevance depends solely on the commitments made to respect it. Commitments which can be withdrawn in the light of events. Therefore the only ballot box which matters is that we use when choosing who represents us. Far from "ruining Western society" it's being protected in the mother of parliaments. In re-enforcing the principal that parliament is sovereign we are protecting ourselves from the kind of autocracy that is emerging elsewhere. This is a battle which is very important and absolutely must be won. I give due credit to those brave MPs who are standing up to the pressure of the whips and the system and doing what they believe is right for us. You're right in the sense that is was advisory, but take an eventuality where the result was more aligned with your preference and remain had won. Would you still be saying that the result means nothing? A monumental number of people voted one way or the other, so that certainly means something as to the value that the general public attributed to it. I don't disagree that voting in or out a party can result in significant change too, but when parties do not uphold their end of the bargain to begin with and in fact hold very opaque views on an issue, what exactly does that vote count for or achieve either?
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