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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Nov 16 9.59am | |
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Around 49% of the nation didn't vote. The other was split, along the popular vote, more of less even, around 25% (ish) So arguably the president elect is no one. Just under half the population didn't vote, in whats been billed as a highly contested, decisive election! Astonishing really, that we (UK included) can call ourselves democratic, when you regularly have half the population not sufficiently engaged to vote.
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paperhat croydon 10 Nov 16 10.14am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Around 49% of the nation didn't vote. The other was split, along the popular vote, more of less even, around 25% (ish) So arguably the president elect is no one. Just under half the population didn't vote, in whats been billed as a highly contested, decisive election! Astonishing really, that we (UK included) can call ourselves democratic, when you regularly have half the population not sufficiently engaged to vote. whats the answer? make everyone vote? not very democratic
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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 10 Nov 16 11.05am | |
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Originally posted by paperhat
whats the answer? make everyone vote? not very democratic Plenty of people turn up and "spoil" their paper. In Michigan (which Trump won by less than 15,000), there were over 110,000 papers where no candidate was chosen. Turnout was the lowest since Bush-Gore (funnily enough the last time a president won without winning the popular vote). But the electoral college was partly set up to try and ensure that the over-populated East and West coasts didn't get to dominate the more sparsely populated middle. It was a way of protecting some minority rights. Moreover the Democrats have had years to contest it but they have been very happy because they thought that the electoral college generated this unbreakable "wall" that the Republicans wouldn't be able to break. Unfortunately for them, Trump did (Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan). Hillary was a bad candidate and I suspect she is taking this defeat very very hard. Because to lose to Trump, a man so universally disliked and not respected, with no political or military experience. What does that say about how the majority of Americans feel about her?
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Kermit8 Hevon 10 Nov 16 11.16am | |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
The one reassuring part from all this thrilling election race today is that we will have a future president who is actually more Scottish than Kermit!! Is he three quarters Scottish then? Are you sure? We are only half so if he is then 'yes' you are correct. If he is not then you are a mathematical numpty
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Sportyteacher London 10 Nov 16 11.21am | |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
Plenty of people turn up and "spoil" their paper. In Michigan (which Trump won by less than 15,000), there were over 110,000 papers where no candidate was chosen. Turnout was the lowest since Bush-Gore (funnily enough the last time a president won without winning the popular vote). But the electoral college was partly set up to try and ensure that the over-populated East and West coasts didn't get to dominate the more sparsely populated middle. It was a way of protecting some minority rights. Moreover the Democrats have had years to contest it but they have been very happy because they thought that the electoral college generated this unbreakable "wall" that the Republicans wouldn't be able to break. Unfortunately for them, Trump did (Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan). Hillary was a bad candidate and I suspect she is taking this defeat very very hard. Because to lose to Trump, a man so universally disliked and not respected, with no political or military experience. What does that say about how the majority of Americans feel about her? Wouldn't you take an outcome like this badly if you polled more votes than the declared winner? And all because of the college voting system....
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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 10 Nov 16 11.41am | |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
Wouldn't you take an outcome like this badly if you polled more votes than the declared winner? And all because of the college voting system.... I think she will be taking it hard because it is a significant blow to her ego and means nearly 50% of American voters believed her so unlikeable they would rather vote for Donald Trump. That's pretty damning. But she has never argued about the electoral college. She has never called for it to be ended. She has never questioned its legitimacy. And she has never done so because she thought it would benefit her. The popular vote was always going to be close. Trump was never going to poll below 40%. But she and her team believed they had sufficient college votes to make it virtually impossible for him to win. And on that basis they supported the system and they also ignored or brushed over concerns in key states (primarily the rust belt ones I mentioned). She can't suddenly develop a PR conscience now that she's been burned by the electoral college. Because she and the rest of the Democrats were happy with the electoral college when they thought it was going to benefit them
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paperhat croydon 10 Nov 16 11.43am | |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
Wouldn't you take an outcome like this badly if you polled more votes than the declared winner? And all because of the college voting system.... Mr T said it himself, the voting system is rigged.
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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Nov 16 12.12pm | |
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Originally posted by paperhat
Mr T said it himself, the voting system is rigged. Funny how it always is when you lose.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Nov 16 12.15pm | |
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Originally posted by paperhat
whats the answer? make everyone vote? not very democratic Political parties that appeal to them? You have an issue here, and elsewhere, where the number of people who don't vote regularly hit half of the eligible population. In any democracy, that's something of a stain on the system, that half the population could not, would not or couldn't be bothered to vote for the candidate and proposals.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Nov 16 12.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Funny how it always is when you lose. Which would beg the question as to why Donald Trump was declaring the system rigged long before the first vote was cast. Of course its not when you win either... Now its the judge on the Trump Lawsuit that's crooked and biased...
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paperhat croydon 10 Nov 16 12.29pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Political parties that appeal to them? You have an issue here, and elsewhere, where the number of people who don't vote regularly hit half of the eligible population. In any democracy, that's something of a stain on the system, that half the population could not, would not or couldn't be bothered to vote for the candidate and proposals. There are far too many political experts on here for me to begin to summise as to the reasons or stats but I wonder what the mix of people that couldn't be ar$ed to vote, spoilt papers due to lack of credible candidate and new voters 'inspired' by what they'd heard from Trump were. sadly, no one will ever be happy as there is always a better system for someone but it does seem that much in the way of Brexit etc, that the 'little man' has decided they've had enough and want a drastic change. As odious as Clinton is, you cannot say she is any worse than Tango man, there have to be deeper seated reasons behind it.
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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Nov 16 12.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Funnily enough the majority chose Clinton - she got more votes - so not democratic at all really. Fvcked up system. He's a tw@t and she's a bunny boiler. Been better if neither of them had got in. What is it with you.
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