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hedgehog50 Croydon 15 Feb 17 8.19am
Originally posted by nickgusset You said those on the left would promote multiculturalism. What do you mean by promoting multiculturalism? Do you think multiculturalism is people of different backgrounds being forced together under unfettered immigration with varying results of success? Edited by nickgusset (14 Feb 2017 11.56pm) Here is good example of the 'varying success' of multi-culturalism - albeit in another country. [Link] We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 15 Feb 17 8.19am

Originally posted by nickgusset

You said those on the left would promote multiculturalism. What do you mean by promoting multiculturalism?
Do you think multiculturalism is people of different backgrounds being forced together under unfettered immigration with varying results of success?

Edited by nickgusset (14 Feb 2017 11.56pm)

Here is good example of the 'varying success' of multi-culturalism - albeit in another country.

[Link]

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 15 Feb 17 9.12am
Originally posted by Jimenez A pretty good summary. As relating to the immigrant influx into NYC "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 15 Feb 17 9.12am

Originally posted by Jimenez

A pretty good summary.

As relating to the immigrant influx into NYC

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Feb 17 11.26am
Technically speaking multi-culturalism is a liberal ideology. A quick review of left wing politics general promotes the rejection of values and ideals that create false consciousness. From a Marxist perspective, cultural identity is false identity, utilised to divide the working classes, rather than unite them. Culture must change in order for the adoption of socialism. A look through even the Communist Manifesto pretty much suggests that the Left wing promotes the destruction of existing cultural norms to construct a new social structure and new cultural forms/norms "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 15 Feb 17 11.26am

Technically speaking multi-culturalism is a liberal ideology. A quick review of left wing politics general promotes the rejection of values and ideals that create false consciousness.

From a Marxist perspective, cultural identity is false identity, utilised to divide the working classes, rather than unite them. Culture must change in order for the adoption of socialism.

A look through even the Communist Manifesto pretty much suggests that the Left wing promotes the destruction of existing cultural norms to construct a new social structure and new cultural forms/norms

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Feb 17 11.29am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Here is good example of the 'varying success' of multi-culturalism - albeit in another country. [Link] Indonesia, that great bastion of promoting equal values, liberal acceptances and accepting democratic values.... Having multiple cultures isn't multiculturalism. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 15 Feb 17 11.29am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Here is good example of the 'varying success' of multi-culturalism - albeit in another country.

[Link]

Indonesia, that great bastion of promoting equal values, liberal acceptances and accepting democratic values....

Having multiple cultures isn't multiculturalism.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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hedgehog50 Croydon 15 Feb 17 11.34am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Technically speaking multi-culturalism is a liberal ideology. A quick review of left wing politics general promotes the rejection of values and ideals that create false consciousness. From a Marxist perspective, cultural identity is false identity, utilised to divide the working classes, rather than unite them. Culture must change in order for the adoption of socialism. A look through even the Communist Manifesto pretty much suggests that the Left wing promotes the destruction of existing cultural norms to construct a new social structure and new cultural forms/norms This is precisely the problem. People do not like their existing cultural norms destroyed. They also do not like the 'new social structures' that left-wing governments have tried to make work - and failed at huge cost to those they supposedly are trying to help. Edited by hedgehog50 (15 Feb 2017 11.34am) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 15 Feb 17 11.34am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Technically speaking multi-culturalism is a liberal ideology. A quick review of left wing politics general promotes the rejection of values and ideals that create false consciousness.

From a Marxist perspective, cultural identity is false identity, utilised to divide the working classes, rather than unite them. Culture must change in order for the adoption of socialism.

A look through even the Communist Manifesto pretty much suggests that the Left wing promotes the destruction of existing cultural norms to construct a new social structure and new cultural forms/norms

This is precisely the problem. People do not like their existing cultural norms destroyed.
They also do not like the 'new social structures' that left-wing governments have tried to make work - and failed at huge cost to those they supposedly are trying to help.

Edited by hedgehog50 (15 Feb 2017 11.34am)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Feb 17 11.39am
Originally posted by nickgusset You still haven't answered my simple question. In answer to Herts, I persist in asking because there are many things bandied about about 'the left' but people tend to go quiet when pushed on it. As for your question Hrolf, is there a particular faction of the left you refer to or just a lazy media created construction of the left and attribute that to anyone who happens to be 'left wing'. Lazy lazy lazy. Edited by nickgusset (14 Feb 2017 10.38pm) Edited by nickgusset (14 Feb 2017 11.57pm) So they do then?
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Originally posted by nickgusset

You still haven't answered my simple question. In answer to Herts, I persist in asking because there are many things bandied about about 'the left' but people tend to go quiet when pushed on it.

As for your question Hrolf, is there a particular faction of the left you refer to or just a lazy media created construction of the left and attribute that to anyone who happens to be 'left wing'.

Lazy lazy lazy.

Edited by nickgusset (14 Feb 2017 10.38pm)

Edited by nickgusset (14 Feb 2017 11.57pm)

So they do then?

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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Feb 17 11.42am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Technically speaking multi-culturalism is a liberal ideology. A quick review of left wing politics general promotes the rejection of values and ideals that create false consciousness. From a Marxist perspective, cultural identity is false identity, utilised to divide the working classes, rather than unite them. Culture must change in order for the adoption of socialism. A look through even the Communist Manifesto pretty much suggests that the Left wing promotes the destruction of existing cultural norms to construct a new social structure and new cultural forms/norms What divides and is dividing the working class is the fear and resentment of other cultures which means that people spend less time worrying about what the ruling classes are doing. All part of the plan? It's nothing new.
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Hrolf The Ganger

15 Feb 17 11.42am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Technically speaking multi-culturalism is a liberal ideology. A quick review of left wing politics general promotes the rejection of values and ideals that create false consciousness.

From a Marxist perspective, cultural identity is false identity, utilised to divide the working classes, rather than unite them. Culture must change in order for the adoption of socialism.

What divides and is dividing the working class is the fear and resentment of other cultures which means that people spend less time worrying about what the ruling classes are doing.
All part of the plan? It's nothing new.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Feb 17 11.44am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So they do then? They won't be obsessive. Talking of obsessive have you managed to come up with any names of people who are obsessed with multiculturalism? It can't be hard as according to your stance it's soooo rife.
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Shizzlehurst 15 Feb 17 11.44am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So they do then?

They won't be obsessive.

Talking of obsessive have you managed to come up with any names of people who are obsessed with multiculturalism? It can't be hard as according to your stance it's soooo rife.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Feb 17 11.47am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What divides and is dividing the working class is the fear and resentment of other cultures which means that people spend less time worrying about what the ruling classes are doing. All part of the plan? It's nothing new. What is driving the fear and resentment? False stories about mass rape? Lies about labour mps covering up parts of the Rotherham incident? Stories that show an exception rather than a rule yet present it as the norm?
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Shizzlehurst 15 Feb 17 11.47am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What is driving the fear and resentment? False stories about mass rape? Lies about labour mps covering up parts of the Rotherham incident? Stories that show an exception rather than a rule yet present it as the norm?

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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Feb 17 11.58am
Originally posted by nickgusset What is driving the fear and resentment? False stories about mass rape? Lies about labour mps covering up parts of the Rotherham incident? Stories that show an exception rather than a rule yet present it as the norm? You have lost it. Can you prove they are false stories? I'm open to evidence. Any evidence. And then you casually brush over the multiple Asian rape gang scandal,Rotherham was just one of half a dozen occurrences, by blaming others for pointing the finger at Labour MPs. Your priorities are seriously skewed. And you claim the left are not obsessed with multiculturalism. WOW.
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Hrolf The Ganger

15 Feb 17 11.58am

Originally posted by nickgusset

You have lost it.

Can you prove they are false stories? I'm open to evidence. Any evidence.
And then you casually brush over the multiple Asian rape gang scandal,Rotherham was just one of half a dozen occurrences, by blaming others for pointing the finger at Labour MPs.

Your priorities are seriously skewed. And you claim the left are not obsessed with multiculturalism. WOW.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Feb 17 12.08pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You have lost it. Can you prove they are false stories? I'm open to evidence. Any evidence. And then you casually brush over the multiple Asian rape gang scandal,Rotherham was just one of half a dozen occurrences, by blaming others for pointing the finger at Labour MPs. Your priorities are seriously skewed. And you claim the left are not obsessed with multiculturalism. WOW. The Trump card 'you have lost it' Make it personal why don't you. Normally the last refuge of someone with no real response.
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Shizzlehurst 15 Feb 17 12.08pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You have lost it.

Your priorities are seriously skewed. And you claim the left are not obsessed with multiculturalism. WOW.

The Trump card
'you have lost it'
Make it personal why don't you. Normally the last refuge of someone with no real response.

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serial thriller The Promised Land 15 Feb 17 12.08pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 This is precisely the problem. People do not like their existing cultural norms destroyed. They also do not like the 'new social structures' that left-wing governments have tried to make work - and failed at huge cost to those they supposedly are trying to help. Edited by hedgehog50 (15 Feb 2017 11.34am) And yet in the past 40 years our culture has been changed out of all recognition. People have become obsessed with buying more and more things, driving up their debts, promoting real anxieties and depression for a lot of people. Things which were part of our collective society, like the NHS, Royal Mail, local schools, are being taken over by faceless corporations and our high streets are losing all identity, just becoming identikit roads across the country. Why? Because we have allowed our financial systems to view unpaid debt as profit, and thus incentivised them to put not just us, but our whole nation in unpayable arrears. Even when this whole thing collapsed, driving more on to the streets and out of work they kept on doing it. They dont give a damn about Brexit, or British values, all they care about is playing puppet master and making us their slaves ad infinitum. Protecting our culture requires us to tell these people to go f*** themselves. Edited by serial thriller (15 Feb 2017 12.15pm) If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Originally posted by hedgehog50

Edited by hedgehog50 (15 Feb 2017 11.34am)

And yet in the past 40 years our culture has been changed out of all recognition. People have become obsessed with buying more and more things, driving up their debts, promoting real anxieties and depression for a lot of people. Things which were part of our collective society, like the NHS, Royal Mail, local schools, are being taken over by faceless corporations and our high streets are losing all identity, just becoming identikit roads across the country.

Why? Because we have allowed our financial systems to view unpaid debt as profit, and thus incentivised them to put not just us, but our whole nation in unpayable arrears. Even when this whole thing collapsed, driving more on to the streets and out of work they kept on doing it. They dont give a damn about Brexit, or British values, all they care about is playing puppet master and making us their slaves ad infinitum. Protecting our culture requires us to tell these people to go f*** themselves.

Edited by serial thriller (15 Feb 2017 12.15pm)

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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