Originally posted by Part Time James

I'm not a vegan but I reckon I am at full mast around 75% of the time. Beat that readers.

Originally posted by VeganPower
Also, another reason for not eating a dear even after it has been shot to protect crops is to prove to people that it is perfectly possible to live without eating meat.

Originally posted by EaglesEaglesEagles

I don't wish to stereotype vegans at all but my point is about the charity PETA.

They have a lot of horrific promotional videos that show animal abuse in circumstances which I look to avoid and would want to be banned. Examples like battery chicken farming, 'industrial' milk farms and the like. PETA generalise all consumption animals or animal products as being akin to condoning and funding this type of treatment of animals.
This I despise and PETA and others are giving vegans a bad name for this. I hope that the subset hardline ideology that is coming to be associated with veganism is quashed because veganism as a dietary principle and the mindset behind it about animals is perfectly acceptable.

I do get a bit frustrated sometimes. If we were all to go vegan tomorrow there would just be so many problems because of the millenia of livestock farming before us.
For example, there isn't enough space to grow crops to feed us and many of the animals.

Second, where would all the animals go? Before we were thinking about animal rights, cows were bred in the West to maximise certain characteristics. They wouldn't survive without us! And there's no incentive to keep them if they just leech off of us and we can't even have a slurp from their teats.

Third, there would be a catastrophic job situation thinking practically. Humans have evolved so far as they require milk from an early age until about three. Cows and goats are essential in developing countries for their milk. Also, people who own livestock and work in the industry would not be able to earn.

Fourth, vegans love animals. Fair enough. But surely if you don't eat animal products because it isn't the animals' preference for you to, then surely continuing breeding domestic animals and selling them and keeping them as pets is counterproductive? Surely letting them go the other way and adapt back into the wild like wolves and wildcats is the right way to go? That is their instinct.

I respect vegans who aren't militant and simply can't bear to eat meat or animal products. It's only the ones who preach because fundamentally, like it or not, the world has got to a stage where a process of reversal is impossible.

Edited by EaglesEaglesEagles (19 May 2017 11.54am)

Originally posted by masonic_palace

Dear oh deer - how can anyone resist a venison wellington...

Originally posted by Crystal_Clear

As far as vegans go, it's your choice. Though I think would struggle to live someone who is vegan. My wife can't have cows milk, so I lose out on pizza's, cheese pasta etc, and that's bad enough.

As far as animal cruelty / rights people go, I have no respect for them after they dug up the bones of a deceased family member of someone who worked at Huntington Life Sciences.