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 susmik  PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 29 Sep 15 7.58pm |
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Quote elgrande at 29 Sep 2015 3.50pm
I still do not understand why this issue is a right wing or left wing. What a load of bollocks. The issue isn't left wing or right wing. It's simply that responses to it have divided along right- and left-wing lines. That makes the reaction categoisable by political belief, if not the underlying facts themselves. I think it was the Muslim rapist comment early in the thread that caused the divide. Everyone has said it's a crying shame that a squaddie couldn't sit in A&E. THAT is what this thread is all about that one of our serviceman could not sit in A&E like anyone else in case he upset somebody..... I personal think that women who wear a Niquab or Burka should sit away from other people instead going around like walking bin Bags/liners making everyone feel uncomfortable. It may look good in their own countries but IMO it does not go down well in our country. I would sooner sit surrounded by servicemen in an A&E Dept if I am honest.. Walking bin bags......NO!
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 Hrolf The Ganger 29 Sep 15 8.38pm |
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Quote susmik at 29 Sep 2015 7.58pm
Quote nickgusset at 29 Sep 2015 5.52pm
Quote sydtheeagle at 29 Sep 2015 4.56pm
Quote elgrande at 29 Sep 2015 3.50pm
I still do not understand why this issue is a right wing or left wing. What a load of bollocks. The issue isn't left wing or right wing. It's simply that responses to it have divided along right- and left-wing lines. That makes the reaction categoisable by political belief, if not the underlying facts themselves. I think it was the Muslim rapist comment early in the thread that caused the divide. Everyone has said it's a crying shame that a squaddie couldn't sit in A&E. THAT is what this thread is all about that one of our serviceman could not sit in A&E like anyone else in case he upset somebody..... I personal think that women who wear a Niquab or Burka should sit away from other people instead going around like walking bin Bags/liners making everyone feel uncomfortable. It may look good in their own countries but IMO it does not go down well in our country. I would sooner sit surrounded by servicemen in an A&E Dept if I am honest.. Walking bin bags......NO! A great post. This kind of religious nonsense has no place in a progressive country like Britain. It is a great irony that some seem to bend over backward not to offend the religious or those of other cultures without considering how much offense they cause to the rest of us.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Sep 15 9.16am |
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 29 Sep 2015 8.38pm
Quote susmik at 29 Sep 2015 7.58pm
Quote nickgusset at 29 Sep 2015 5.52pm
Quote sydtheeagle at 29 Sep 2015 4.56pm
Quote elgrande at 29 Sep 2015 3.50pm
I still do not understand why this issue is a right wing or left wing. What a load of bollocks. The issue isn't left wing or right wing. It's simply that responses to it have divided along right- and left-wing lines. That makes the reaction categoisable by political belief, if not the underlying facts themselves. I think it was the Muslim rapist comment early in the thread that caused the divide. Everyone has said it's a crying shame that a squaddie couldn't sit in A&E. THAT is what this thread is all about that one of our serviceman could not sit in A&E like anyone else in case he upset somebody..... I personal think that women who wear a Niquab or Burka should sit away from other people instead going around like walking bin Bags/liners making everyone feel uncomfortable. It may look good in their own countries but IMO it does not go down well in our country. I would sooner sit surrounded by servicemen in an A&E Dept if I am honest.. Walking bin bags......NO! A great post. This kind of religious nonsense has no place in a progressive country like Britain. It is a great irony that some seem to bend over backward not to offend the religious or those of other cultures without considering how much offense they cause to the rest of us. Yeah it does, all kinds of religious nonsense seems to have a place in the UK. The really sad thing is how some people in all religions seem to think that their ethics and beliefs MUST be applied to everyone. Take the recent debate and vote on euthanasia - 82% of the population supported the idea, but the vote in parliament bore no resemblance to that, as the religious and palliative care bodies (often themselves religiously influenced) came out in force to decide that people could not choose for themselves, but instead must abide by their moral decisions. This is the issue I have with society in general, often by religious groups, the opposition to the right to allow people to make decisions about their own lives. If you don't want to opt for the assisted suicide, then don't, but don't in the process produce a false hand waving hypothetical nonsense to prevent others from making that choice themselves. When ever the its a choice that an individual can make about their own life, or not - then that decision belongs to no one else.
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| Hoof Hearted 30 Sep 15 10.39am | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Sep 2015 9.16am
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 29 Sep 2015 8.38pm
Quote susmik at 29 Sep 2015 7.58pm
Quote nickgusset at 29 Sep 2015 5.52pm
Quote sydtheeagle at 29 Sep 2015 4.56pm
Quote elgrande at 29 Sep 2015 3.50pm
I still do not understand why this issue is a right wing or left wing. What a load of bollocks. The issue isn't left wing or right wing. It's simply that responses to it have divided along right- and left-wing lines. That makes the reaction categoisable by political belief, if not the underlying facts themselves. I think it was the Muslim rapist comment early in the thread that caused the divide. Everyone has said it's a crying shame that a squaddie couldn't sit in A&E. THAT is what this thread is all about that one of our serviceman could not sit in A&E like anyone else in case he upset somebody..... I personal think that women who wear a Niquab or Burka should sit away from other people instead going around like walking bin Bags/liners making everyone feel uncomfortable. It may look good in their own countries but IMO it does not go down well in our country. I would sooner sit surrounded by servicemen in an A&E Dept if I am honest.. Walking bin bags......NO! A great post. This kind of religious nonsense has no place in a progressive country like Britain. It is a great irony that some seem to bend over backward not to offend the religious or those of other cultures without considering how much offense they cause to the rest of us. Yeah it does, all kinds of religious nonsense seems to have a place in the UK. The really sad thing is how some people in all religions seem to think that their ethics and beliefs MUST be applied to everyone. Take the recent debate and vote on euthanasia - 82% of the population supported the idea, but the vote in parliament bore no resemblance to that, as the religious and palliative care bodies (often themselves religiously influenced) came out in force to decide that people could not choose for themselves, but instead must abide by their moral decisions. This is the issue I have with society in general, often by religious groups, the opposition to the right to allow people to make decisions about their own lives. If you don't want to opt for the assisted suicide, then don't, but don't in the process produce a false hand waving hypothetical nonsense to prevent others from making that choice themselves. When ever the its a choice that an individual can make about their own life, or not - then that decision belongs to no one else.
Half the time you don't know whether you are seeing an actual Nun, Archbishop, Monk or Muslim woman or just someone on the way out to a party. But seriously... The Muslims are the most aggressive religious group going, I first became aware of their intolerance when they put the fatwah on Salmond Rushdie. Since then they've been chopping off heads at an alarming rate and it's about time we stood up to them. Hiding our soldiers away in hospital A&E departments for fear of offending different cultures sends out the wrong message.
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Sg Bilko  Deurne Holland 30 Sep 15 11.05am |
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The way I see it is, Europe as a whole is a predominantly Christian society and has been for many hundreds of years, and if other ethnic religions want to come and live amongst us they are welcome but they have to learn tolerance towards the Christian ways and adjust to our ways, just like we have to when we go to their Counties. I'm a frequent visitor to Egypt, and no way would I even try to force my Christian beliefs on them, if I did I would very quickly find myself in chains and thrown into their hellhole of a prison, and I've seen that done in Sharm-el-Sheikh to three Russians, and Egyptians don't invite you politely, your aggressively manhandled, and they are a very tolerant society compared to most others.
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| Hoof Hearted 30 Sep 15 11.09am | |
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Quote Sg Bilko at 30 Sep 2015 11.05am
The way I see it is, Europe as a whole is a predominantly Christian society and has been for many hundreds of years, and if other ethnic religions want to come and live amongst us they are welcome but they have to learn tolerance towards the Christian ways and adjust to our ways, just like we have to when we go to their Counties. I'm a frequent visitor to Egypt, and no way would I even try to force my Christian beliefs on them, if I did I would very quickly find myself in chains and thrown into their hellhole of a prison, and I've seen that done in Sharm-el-Sheikh to three Russians, and Egyptians don't invite you politely, your aggressively manhandled, and they are a very tolerant society compared to most others.
I am an atheist myself, but agree that our society is based on Christian beliefs, so visitors should respect that fact.
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| sydtheeagle England 30 Sep 15 11.49am |
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Quote Sg Bilko at 30 Sep 2015 11.05am
The way I see it is, Europe as a whole is a predominantly Christian society and has been for many hundreds of years, and if other ethnic religions want to come and live amongst us they are welcome but they have to learn tolerance towards the Christian ways and adjust to our ways, just like we have to when we go to their Counties. I don't think anyone would disagree, but with regard to the bolded bit, 99% of them do exactly what you ask, don't they? All the non-Christian immigrants and second and third generation Englishmen that I know live quite happily among us and are completely tolerant of Christian ways. As far as I can tell, the Jihadists and extremists are the marginalised and disenfranchised members or society and to be honest, their religion is simply a banner under which to conveniently unite; but it's got more to do with anti-social behaviour towards the system than it really does with religion. On some levels I think a Caliphate is really a systemic answer for them, rather than a purely religious one. I think the point I'm trying to make is that if we look at this as a religious problem, we won't solve it. We're dealing with terrorists, not crusaders.
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| Hoof Hearted 30 Sep 15 11.56am | |
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Quote sydtheeagle at 30 Sep 2015 11.49am
Quote Sg Bilko at 30 Sep 2015 11.05am
The way I see it is, Europe as a whole is a predominantly Christian society and has been for many hundreds of years, and if other ethnic religions want to come and live amongst us they are welcome but they have to learn tolerance towards the Christian ways and adjust to our ways, just like we have to when we go to their Counties. I don't think anyone would disagree, but with regard to the bolded bit, 99% of them do exactly what you ask, don't they? All the non-Christian immigrants and second and third generation Englishmen that I know live quite happily among us and are completely tolerant of Christian ways. As far as I can tell, the Jihadists and extremists are the marginalised and disenfranchised members or society and to be honest, their religion is simply a banner under which to conveniently unite; but it's got more to do with anti-social behaviour towards the system than it really does with religion. On some levels I think a Caliphate is really a systemic answer for them, rather than a purely religious one. I think the point I'm trying to make is that if we look at this as a religious problem, we won't solve it. We're dealing with terrorists, not crusaders.
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Kermit8  Hevon 30 Sep 15 12.00pm |
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a Tale of Two Burkhas Last week in Bahrain at my bro-in-laws 60th a couple of daughters of his Saudi workmate crossed the causeway and bridge which connects the two countries from the Saudi side. On arrival ay his gaff they took of their 'bin liners' and yashmaks to reveal blue hair, sequined boob tubes and skin tight flame red pants
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| sydtheeagle England 30 Sep 15 12.04pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Sep 2015 11.56am
Sorry Sarge..... the great all seeing one has spoken, so we'll have to rethink.
Things would be more interesting if, instead of a re-think, you just had a think before you posted first time around.
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| Hoof Hearted 30 Sep 15 12.11pm | |
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Quote sydtheeagle at 30 Sep 2015 12.04pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Sep 2015 11.56am
Sorry Sarge..... the great all seeing one has spoken, so we'll have to rethink.
Things would be more interesting if, instead of a re-think, you just had a think before you posted first time around.
You try to kid everyone that you know so much more than everyone else but you are rude and antagonistic as well as condescending. Think about that.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 30 Sep 15 12.28pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Sep 2015 9.16am
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 29 Sep 2015 8.38pm
Quote susmik at 29 Sep 2015 7.58pm
Quote nickgusset at 29 Sep 2015 5.52pm
Quote sydtheeagle at 29 Sep 2015 4.56pm
Quote elgrande at 29 Sep 2015 3.50pm
I still do not understand why this issue is a right wing or left wing. What a load of bollocks. The issue isn't left wing or right wing. It's simply that responses to it have divided along right- and left-wing lines. That makes the reaction categoisable by political belief, if not the underlying facts themselves. I think it was the Muslim rapist comment early in the thread that caused the divide. Everyone has said it's a crying shame that a squaddie couldn't sit in A&E. THAT is what this thread is all about that one of our serviceman could not sit in A&E like anyone else in case he upset somebody..... I personal think that women who wear a Niquab or Burka should sit away from other people instead going around like walking bin Bags/liners making everyone feel uncomfortable. It may look good in their own countries but IMO it does not go down well in our country. I would sooner sit surrounded by servicemen in an A&E Dept if I am honest.. Walking bin bags......NO! A great post. This kind of religious nonsense has no place in a progressive country like Britain. It is a great irony that some seem to bend over backward not to offend the religious or those of other cultures without considering how much offense they cause to the rest of us. Yeah it does, all kinds of religious nonsense seems to have a place in the UK. The really sad thing is how some people in all religions seem to think that their ethics and beliefs MUST be applied to everyone. Take the recent debate and vote on euthanasia - 82% of the population supported the idea, but the vote in parliament bore no resemblance to that, as the religious and palliative care bodies (often themselves religiously influenced) came out in force to decide that people could not choose for themselves, but instead must abide by their moral decisions. This is the issue I have with society in general, often by religious groups, the opposition to the right to allow people to make decisions about their own lives. If you don't want to opt for the assisted suicide, then don't, but don't in the process produce a false hand waving hypothetical nonsense to prevent others from making that choice themselves. When ever the its a choice that an individual can make about their own life, or not - then that decision belongs to no one else.
As you say, it has no place in decision making and can only act divisively. Judaism,Islam, Catholicism or whoever, it makes no difference to me. It's all the same. I just can't believe we are having to deal with this stuff in 2015.
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