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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 15 9.12pm
Quote fed up eagle at 13 Aug 2015 8.52pm Quote nickgusset at 13 Aug 2015 8.46pm Quote fed up eagle at 13 Aug 2015 7.37pm Quote reborn at 13 Aug 2015 7.25pm Quote fed up eagle at 13 Aug 2015 6.41pm Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Aug 2015 6.31pm Quote fed up eagle at 13 Aug 2015 6.08pm Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 12.37pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 11.07am Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 9.56am Quote DanH at 13 Aug 2015 9.17am Why do we have to be loyal to the Queen? You don't thats your freedom of choice in action right there Dan. Freedoms that Gurkhas have fought and died for. It is my opinion that anyone who has made scarifices for the country they reside in, is more deserving than those who slagg it off on the one hand, with the other out stretched grasping for money and housing. I sacrificed a goat for the Queen, does that count I don't think that anyone is more deserving, but that the failure to provide for some of those who have made very real sacrifices and risks of life should in return receive assurance from the state that they will never be 'left behind' (i.e without treatment, home or in poverty). Similarly, I also believe that people who earn the George Cross should also earn an additional pension for life. Go to any homless area, you will find a large proportion have served for thier country. We just dont look after "damaged vets" to be fair to the Army it has got so much better since (afghanistan) and the very real horror that is PTSD (something I did suffer from, so I know how horrendous it can be. But I dont want to sound like I am only championing homes for heroes, but my whole point on all these topics of immigrants, housing, beneifts, bils down to the simple fact, that in my belief we should get our own house in order, before we start giving scant resources away to people that were "stable" in thier own country but just fancied a bit of what the jones's have. I do not belive we should house one single immigrant while we have homeless children taken advantage of, ex service man sleeping in doorways, homless vulnerable adults getting beaten up for s***s and giggles, or the unfortunates who through circumstances live in a cardboard box that gets pissed on every time some piss head feels like it. You will never irradicate the homeless problem completely, some people are just born dick heads and society is better of without them spreading their DNA about the gaff, however not nearly enough by consecutive Governments both Labour and Tory has been done to address the problem. And yet Mr Jo Bloggs form Ghana can turn up with out a pot to piss in, and get a house car and money. Surely even the likes of comrades Nick and Legal can see this is fundamentaly wrong and borders on positive discrimination? It's a damming indictment of our country how we treat our former serving soldiers, how some of them are just left to rot on the streets with nobody prepared to help them yet here we are hand wringing about a load of waifs and strays who haven't done anything for this country but we've got people demanding these people be let in and housed. Let's look after our own first, we have more of a duty to them than we do those in Calais. Racist.. Sadly Tom, some people would say that and mean it, of course I know you jest as you are a sensible thinking person. I dont think you are a racist from this post. However you are though, common admit it? Your posts are laced with prejudicial vitriol. Comon admitting it will be liberating.... As far as the migrants go, I do not blame them for wanting to make a better life for themselves, however I do believe that there is something wrong with the system when we are more concerned about helping others when we have people here who are in genuine need of help. I talk not of the chancers who play the system and expect something for nothing of course. I am not against immigration per say, it just needs to be controlled. The politicians can ultimately be held responsible for what is happening at present. The care for people who genuinely need help here went out of the window when the tories were voted in. IDS cares for the poor! In fairness Nick I think Labour neglected them as much as the Tories did/have. How many childrens centres did labour close?
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Why do we have to be loyal to the Queen?

You don't thats your freedom of choice in action right there Dan. Freedoms that Gurkhas have fought and died for. It is my opinion that anyone who has made scarifices for the country they reside in, is more deserving than those who slagg it off on the one hand, with the other out stretched grasping for money and housing.

I sacrificed a goat for the Queen, does that count

I don't think that anyone is more deserving, but that the failure to provide for some of those who have made very real sacrifices and risks of life should in return receive assurance from the state that they will never be 'left behind' (i.e without treatment, home or in poverty).

Similarly, I also believe that people who earn the George Cross should also earn an additional pension for life.

Go to any homless area, you will find a large proportion have served for thier country. We just dont look after "damaged vets" to be fair to the Army it has got so much better since (afghanistan) and the very real horror that is PTSD (something I did suffer from, so I know how horrendous it can be.

But I dont want to sound like I am only championing homes for heroes, but my whole point on all these topics of immigrants, housing, beneifts, bils down to the simple fact, that in my belief we should get our own house in order, before we start giving scant resources away to people that were "stable" in thier own country but just fancied a bit of what the jones's have.

I do not belive we should house one single immigrant while we have homeless children taken advantage of, ex service man sleeping in doorways, homless vulnerable adults getting beaten up for s***s and giggles, or the unfortunates who through circumstances live in a cardboard box that gets pissed on every time some piss head feels like it.

You will never irradicate the homeless problem completely, some people are just born dick heads and society is better of without them spreading their DNA about the gaff, however not nearly enough by consecutive Governments both Labour and Tory has been done to address the problem.

And yet Mr Jo Bloggs form Ghana can turn up with out a pot to piss in, and get a house car and money.

Surely even the likes of comrades Nick and Legal can see this is fundamentaly wrong and borders on positive discrimination?

It's a damming indictment of our country how we treat our former serving soldiers, how some of them are just left to rot on the streets with nobody prepared to help them yet here we are hand wringing about a load of waifs and strays who haven't done anything for this country but we've got people demanding these people be let in and housed. Let's look after our own first, we have more of a duty to them than we do those in Calais.

Racist..

Sadly Tom, some people would say that and mean it, of course I know you jest as you are a sensible thinking person.

I dont think you are a racist from this post.

However you are though, common admit it? Your posts are laced with prejudicial vitriol. Comon admitting it will be liberating....

As far as the migrants go, I do not blame them for wanting to make a better life for themselves, however I do believe that there is something wrong with the system when we are more concerned about helping others when we have people here who are in genuine need of help. I talk not of the chancers who play the system and expect something for nothing of course. I am not against immigration per say, it just needs to be controlled. The politicians can ultimately be held responsible for what is happening at present.

The care for people who genuinely need help here went out of the window when the tories were voted in.

IDS cares for the poor!

In fairness Nick I think Labour neglected them as much as the Tories did/have.

How many childrens centres did labour close?

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Percy of Peckham Eton Mess 13 Aug 15 9.20pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 11 Aug 2015 10.52am Quote Tom-the-eagle at 11 Aug 2015 10.46am Quote DanH at 11 Aug 2015 10.45am You lot don't know how fortunate you were to be born in an affluent, stable, peaceful western country do you? Maybe they do know - and maybe that's why they are so keen to keep it that way! One of the reasons for its affluence is Foreign Business and investment. The UK has no real industry of its own, and its service industry profitability for the last 5-10 years has been increasingly dependent on the availability of a cheap, disposable work force(that has increasingly been migrant). ...or the public sector! Denial is not just a river in Egypt!
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You lot don't know how fortunate you were to be born in an affluent, stable, peaceful western country do you?

Maybe they do know - and maybe that's why they are so keen to keep it that way!

One of the reasons for its affluence is Foreign Business and investment. The UK has no real industry of its own, and its service industry profitability for the last 5-10 years has been increasingly dependent on the availability of a cheap, disposable work force(that has increasingly been migrant).

...or the public sector!

Denial is not just a river in Egypt!

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 13 Aug 15 9.20pm
Quote legaleagle at 13 Aug 2015 8.55pm Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 12.37pm Go to any homless area, you will find a large proportion have served for thier country. We just dont look after "damaged vets" to be fair to the Army it has got so much better since (afghanistan) and the very real horror that is PTSD (something I did suffer from, so I know how horrendous it can be. But I dont want to sound like I am only championing homes for heroes, but my whole point on all these topics of immigrants, housing, beneifts, bils down to the simple fact, that in my belief we should get our own house in order, before we start giving scant resources away to people that were "stable" in thier own country but just fancied a bit of what the jones's have. I do not belive we should house one single immigrant while we have homeless children taken advantage of, ex service man sleeping in doorways, homless vulnerable adults getting beaten up for s***s and giggles, or the unfortunates who through circumstances live in a cardboard box that gets pissed on every time some piss head feels like it. You will never irradicate the homeless problem completely, some people are just born dick heads and society is better of without them spreading their DNA about the gaff, however not nearly enough by consecutive Governments both Labour and Tory has been done to address the problem. And yet Mr Jo Bloggs form Ghana can turn up with out a pot to piss in, and get a house car and money. Surely even the likes of comrades Nick and Legal can see this is fundamentaly wrong and borders on positive discrimination? Funnily enough,legal has not actually proposed what you (in your prejudice about people who think slightly differently to you)suggest he has.Shows the gap between reality and some of the tosh spouted on here at times. But don't let reality interfere with your prejudices You refer to what you say applying to people from "stable" countries who were "stable" in them. That by definition is economic migrants,not refugees.Genuine refugees who apply for asylum within the UK being the only people who automatically qualify to be granted asylum here. Turning to economic migrants,I've never suggested potential migrants to the Uk should be housed here in preference to homeless people,though I don't think anyone already here legally should be treated differently to anyone else.Kind of the basis of a civilised society and adopted in a "civilised" place with strong immigration controls like Australia Generally speaking homelessness is a scandal and obscene .Its not caused by migrants,Its caused by things like cuts and abolition of rent controls (thanks Maggie) and cutting back on housing benefit for youngsters.Its also caused by people's personal circumstances at times,ie alcoholism, family break ups If some of those on here care about eradicating it,they might focus on policies to deal with the above rather than constantly foaming at the mouth about immigrants. If we (UK collectively) cared enough we could really cut down on homelessness and do you know what we could also do on top of that? Show some compassion for people from non stable countries who,on top of people living here legally,we could help some out as well. Its what this country has (had) a reputation for going back a long time,true "traditional values" What iv'e got no time for is anyone (not suggesting the poster I'm responding to) who isn't really that bothered about the homelessness (and how it could and should be dealt with) but who would conveniently go on about it in a thread about migrants as yet another excuse to vent their prejudices,and who see immigrants as their sole reason for everything wrong with their lives and the country's woes.Nothing like having a convenient scapegoat so the real issues aren't seen. Edited by legaleagle (13 Aug 2015 8.59pm) Legal - I have a bit of experience with homeless people having tried to help two different people get off the streets. From my limited experiences I would say that alcohol, general vulnerability and a lack of family support are far more often the cause of being on the streets rather than anything to do with the country’s immigration policy. That said Legal, it's simple logistics, there are only X amount of properties to go round, there is only X amount of money in the pot to pay for income support, etc etc so while I agree that migration is not the cause of homelessness, it can’t be denied that it does not eat into the resources that could help people find permanent accommodation. Edited by Tom-the-eagle (13 Aug 2015 9.21pm) "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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And yet Mr Jo Bloggs form Ghana can turn up with out a pot to piss in, and get a house car and money.

Surely even the likes of comrades Nick and Legal can see this is fundamentaly wrong and borders on positive discrimination?

Funnily enough,legal has not actually proposed what you (in your prejudice about people who think slightly differently to you)suggest he has.Shows the gap between reality and some of the tosh spouted on here at times. But don't let reality interfere with your prejudices

You refer to what you say applying to people from "stable" countries who were "stable" in them. That by definition is economic migrants,not refugees.Genuine refugees who apply for asylum within the UK being the only people who automatically qualify to be granted asylum here.

Turning to economic migrants,I've never suggested potential migrants to the Uk should be housed here in preference to homeless people,though I don't think anyone already here legally should be treated differently to anyone else.Kind of the basis of a civilised society and adopted in a "civilised" place with strong immigration controls like Australia

Generally speaking homelessness is a scandal and obscene .Its not caused by migrants,Its caused by things like cuts and abolition of rent controls (thanks Maggie) and cutting back on housing benefit for youngsters.Its also caused by people's personal circumstances at times,ie alcoholism, family break ups

If some of those on here care about eradicating it,they might focus on policies to deal with the above rather than constantly foaming at the mouth about immigrants.

If we (UK collectively) cared enough we could really cut down on homelessness and do you know what we could also do on top of that? Show some compassion for people from non stable countries who,on top of people living here legally,we could help some out as well. Its what this country has (had) a reputation for going back a long time,true "traditional values"

What iv'e got no time for is anyone (not suggesting the poster I'm responding to) who isn't really that bothered about the homelessness (and how it could and should be dealt with) but who would conveniently go on about it in a thread about migrants as yet another excuse to vent their prejudices,and who see immigrants as their sole reason for everything wrong with their lives and the country's woes.Nothing like having a convenient scapegoat so the real issues aren't seen.

Edited by legaleagle (13 Aug 2015 8.59pm)

Legal - I have a bit of experience with homeless people having tried to help two different people get off the streets. From my limited experiences I would say that alcohol, general vulnerability and a lack of family support are far more often the cause of being on the streets rather than anything to do with the country’s immigration policy. That said Legal, it's simple logistics, there are only X amount of properties to go round, there is only X amount of money in the pot to pay for income support, etc etc so while I agree that migration is not the cause of homelessness, it can’t be denied that it does not eat into the resources that could help people find permanent accommodation.

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legaleagle 13 Aug 15 9.27pm
That's if (and there are other reasons why I don't agree with you completely), you uncritically buy into the theory (I don't) that legal migrants who have come here have put less into the coffers (directly and indirectly)than they "take out". Edited by legaleagle (13 Aug 2015 9.30pm)
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That's if (and there are other reasons why I don't agree with you completely), you uncritically buy into the theory (I don't) that legal migrants who have come here have put less into the coffers (directly and indirectly)than they "take out".

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 13 Aug 15 9.32pm
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Why do we have to be loyal to the Queen?

I sacrificed a goat for the Queen, does that count

Similarly, I also believe that people who earn the George Cross should also earn an additional pension for life.

And yet Mr Jo Bloggs form Ghana can turn up with out a pot to piss in, and get a house car and money.

Surely even the likes of comrades Nick and Legal can see this is fundamentaly wrong and borders on positive discrimination?

Racist..

Sadly Tom, some people would say that and mean it, of course I know you jest as you are a sensible thinking person.

I dont think you are a racist from this post.

However you are though, common admit it? Your posts are laced with prejudicial vitriol. Comon admitting it will be liberating....

The care for people who genuinely need help here went out of the window when the tories were voted in.

IDS cares for the poor!

In fairness Nick I think Labour neglected them as much as the Tories did/have.

How many childrens centres did labour close?

I thought we were talking about homeless ex servicemen? Personally for me, Tory/Labour or Labour/Tory, both as bad as each other although for different reasons. Voting really boils down to picking the best of a bad bunch, knowing that every promise made is more than likely not to be kept.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 13 Aug 15 10.56pm
Quote nickgusset at 13 Aug 2015 9.12pm Quote fed up eagle at 13 Aug 2015 8.52pm Quote nickgusset at 13 Aug 2015 8.46pm Quote fed up eagle at 13 Aug 2015 7.37pm Quote reborn at 13 Aug 2015 7.25pm Quote fed up eagle at 13 Aug 2015 6.41pm Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Aug 2015 6.31pm Quote fed up eagle at 13 Aug 2015 6.08pm Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 12.37pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 11.07am Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 9.56am Quote DanH at 13 Aug 2015 9.17am Why do we have to be loyal to the Queen? You don't thats your freedom of choice in action right there Dan. Freedoms that Gurkhas have fought and died for. It is my opinion that anyone who has made scarifices for the country they reside in, is more deserving than those who slagg it off on the one hand, with the other out stretched grasping for money and housing. I sacrificed a goat for the Queen, does that count I don't think that anyone is more deserving, but that the failure to provide for some of those who have made very real sacrifices and risks of life should in return receive assurance from the state that they will never be 'left behind' (i.e without treatment, home or in poverty). Similarly, I also believe that people who earn the George Cross should also earn an additional pension for life. Go to any homless area, you will find a large proportion have served for thier country. We just dont look after "damaged vets" to be fair to the Army it has got so much better since (afghanistan) and the very real horror that is PTSD (something I did suffer from, so I know how horrendous it can be. But I dont want to sound like I am only championing homes for heroes, but my whole point on all these topics of immigrants, housing, beneifts, bils down to the simple fact, that in my belief we should get our own house in order, before we start giving scant resources away to people that were "stable" in thier own country but just fancied a bit of what the jones's have. I do not belive we should house one single immigrant while we have homeless children taken advantage of, ex service man sleeping in doorways, homless vulnerable adults getting beaten up for s**s and giggles, or the unfortunates who through circumstances live in a cardboard box that gets pissed on every time some piss head feels like it. You will never irradicate the homeless problem completely, some people are just born dick heads and society is better of without them spreading their DNA about the gaff, however not nearly enough by consecutive Governments both Labour and Tory has been done to address the problem. And yet Mr Jo Bloggs form Ghana can turn up with out a pot to piss in, and get a house car and money. Surely even the likes of comrades Nick and Legal can see this is fundamentaly wrong and borders on positive discrimination? It's a damming indictment of our country how we treat our former serving soldiers, how some of them are just left to rot on the streets with nobody prepared to help them yet here we are hand wringing about a load of waifs and strays who haven't done anything for this country but we've got people demanding these people be let in and housed. Let's look after our own first, we have more of a duty to them than we do those in Calais. Racist.. Sadly Tom, some people would say that and mean it, of course I know you jest as you are a sensible thinking person. I dont think you are a racist from this post. However you are though, common admit it? Your posts are laced with prejudicial vitriol. Comon admitting it will be liberating.... As far as the migrants go, I do not blame them for wanting to make a better life for themselves, however I do believe that there is something wrong with the system when we are more concerned about helping others when we have people here who are in genuine need of help. I talk not of the chancers who play the system and expect something for nothing of course. I am not against immigration per say, it just needs to be controlled. The politicians can ultimately be held responsible for what is happening at present. The care for people who genuinely need help here went out of the window when the tories were voted in. IDS cares for the poor! In fairness Nick I think Labour neglected them as much as the Tories did/have. How many childrens centres did labour close? Not enough. Fcking brats. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Why do we have to be loyal to the Queen?

I sacrificed a goat for the Queen, does that count

Similarly, I also believe that people who earn the George Cross should also earn an additional pension for life.

And yet Mr Jo Bloggs form Ghana can turn up with out a pot to piss in, and get a house car and money.

Surely even the likes of comrades Nick and Legal can see this is fundamentaly wrong and borders on positive discrimination?

Racist..

Sadly Tom, some people would say that and mean it, of course I know you jest as you are a sensible thinking person.

I dont think you are a racist from this post.

However you are though, common admit it? Your posts are laced with prejudicial vitriol. Comon admitting it will be liberating....

The care for people who genuinely need help here went out of the window when the tories were voted in.

IDS cares for the poor!

In fairness Nick I think Labour neglected them as much as the Tories did/have.

How many childrens centres did labour close?

Not enough. F*cking brats.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Quote leggedstruggle at 11 Aug 2015 9.37am The language used by both the left and those on the left in the media in relation this has been very carefully chosen to justify illegal immigration, and what is going on over there, to stop any sort of public criticism in the UK for what is being fostered on the UK by those in Calais. Quite depressing. The incitement to racial hatred ignored by both the right and those on the right in the media in relation this has been very carefully chosen to justify racism and what is going on over there, to stop any sort of public criticism of racism in the UK for what is being fostered on the UK by those in the Media.
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The language used by both the left and those on the left in the media in relation this has been very carefully chosen to justify illegal immigration, and what is going on over there, to stop any sort of public criticism in the UK for what is being fostered on the UK by those in Calais.

Quite depressing.

The incitement to racial hatred ignored by both the right and those on the right in the media in relation this has been very carefully chosen to justify racism and what is going on over there, to stop any sort of public criticism of racism in the UK for what is being fostered on the UK by those in the Media.

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Bert the Head Epsom 13 Aug 15 11.24pm
Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 3.58pm I keep hearing how the French benefits system is sooooooooo much more generous than ours. I have to say this is a new one on me, I even remember the mayor of Calais blaming the Calais migrant crisis on our ridiculously generous benefits system. Of course I believe there is something in the argument that they have family already here which would make them want to come here, but let's face it, our benefits system is ridiculously generous. I've even seen migrants interviewed on the news and when asked why they want to come here the answer was 'britain...she give me house...she give me money. We come Britain for our house and money, thanks!'. I didn't make that up, I actually heard it said on the news. Also the fact that they've travelled across umpteen borders and hundreds and thousands of miles to get here is a dead give away as to why they want to come here. Like I say, I don't blame them for wanting to benefit from such generosity but this can't be allowed to keep happening. The politicians also need to take some of the blame here. Either way this must stop now. There are plenty of countries in Europe who can take them. We're full and simply can't sustain this mass influx of people, and we must stop giving money away like this. We have people in this country who are British who need our help. Our benefit system isn't really that generous if you look at it through an independent source. Also migrants don't travel all that distance to sponge. They are not after RBS or Post office shares at a knock down price or a high rental flat to make easy money, they expect to work on minimum wage. Isn't it a sad indictment on Capitalism that it doesn't seem to work on so many countries that so many people have t leave they're homes to make a living? Even highly skilled people from former communist countries.
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Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 3.58pm

I keep hearing how the French benefits system is sooooooooo much more generous than ours. I have to say this is a new one on me, I even remember the mayor of Calais blaming the Calais migrant crisis on our ridiculously generous benefits system.
Of course I believe there is something in the argument that they have family already here which would make them want to come here, but let's face it, our benefits system is ridiculously generous. I've even seen migrants interviewed on the news and when asked why they want to come here the answer was 'britain...she give me house...she give me money. We come Britain for our house and money, thanks!'. I didn't make that up, I actually heard it said on the news. Also the fact that they've travelled across umpteen borders and hundreds and thousands of miles to get here is a dead give away as to why they want to come here. Like I say, I don't blame them for wanting to benefit from such generosity but this can't be allowed to keep happening. The politicians also need to take some of the blame here.

Either way this must stop now. There are plenty of countries in Europe who can take them. We're full and simply can't sustain this mass influx of people, and we must stop giving money away like this. We have people in this country who are British who need our help.

Our benefit system isn't really that generous if you look at it through an independent source.

Also migrants don't travel all that distance to sponge. They are not after RBS or Post office shares at a knock down price or a high rental flat to make easy money, they expect to work on minimum wage.

Isn't it a sad indictment on Capitalism that it doesn't seem to work on so many countries that so many people have t leave they're homes to make a living? Even highly skilled people from former communist countries.

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leggedstruggle Croydon 14 Aug 15 8.02am
Quote Bert the Head at 13 Aug 2015 11.24pm Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 3.58pm I keep hearing how the French benefits system is sooooooooo much more generous than ours. I have to say this is a new one on me, I even remember the mayor of Calais blaming the Calais migrant crisis on our ridiculously generous benefits system. Of course I believe there is something in the argument that they have family already here which would make them want to come here, but let's face it, our benefits system is ridiculously generous. I've even seen migrants interviewed on the news and when asked why they want to come here the answer was 'britain...she give me house...she give me money. We come Britain for our house and money, thanks!'. I didn't make that up, I actually heard it said on the news. Also the fact that they've travelled across umpteen borders and hundreds and thousands of miles to get here is a dead give away as to why they want to come here. Like I say, I don't blame them for wanting to benefit from such generosity but this can't be allowed to keep happening. The politicians also need to take some of the blame here. Either way this must stop now. There are plenty of countries in Europe who can take them. We're full and simply can't sustain this mass influx of people, and we must stop giving money away like this. We have people in this country who are British who need our help. Our benefit system isn't really that generous if you look at it through an independent source. Also migrants don't travel all that distance to sponge. They are not after RBS or Post office shares at a knock down price or a high rental flat to make easy money, they expect to work on minimum wage. Isn't it a sad indictment on Capitalism that it doesn't seem to work on so many countries that so many people have t leave they're homes to make a living? Even highly skilled people from former communist countries. What the left wing 'Independent' newspaper? And all these victims of Capitalism are fighting their way to Socialist countries are they? Queuing up to get into North Korea and Cuba, or milder Socialist countries like France? Why aren't those from 'former Communist countries' staying where they are to build another Socialist Utopia? mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Quote Bert the Head at 13 Aug 2015 11.24pm

Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 3.58pm

Our benefit system isn't really that generous if you look at it through an independent source.

What the left wing 'Independent' newspaper?

And all these victims of Capitalism are fighting their way to Socialist countries are they? Queuing up to get into North Korea and Cuba, or milder Socialist countries like France? Why aren't those from 'former Communist countries' staying where they are to build another Socialist Utopia?

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Jamesrichards8 14 Aug 15 8.38am
If you've got sympathy for these people fine. If you'd like to let them in, we can arrange for them to live above you in a council house. See if your opinion changes. Edited by Jamesrichards8 (14 Aug 2015 8.39am) When you’re knocked on your back and your life’s a flop...
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If you've got sympathy for these people fine. If you'd like to let them in, we can arrange for them to live above you in a council house. See if your opinion changes.

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Aug 15 8.44am
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Aug 2015 6.31pm Quote fed up eagle at 13 Aug 2015 6.08pm Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 12.37pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 11.07am Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 9.56am Quote DanH at 13 Aug 2015 9.17am Why do we have to be loyal to the Queen? You don't thats your freedom of choice in action right there Dan. Freedoms that Gurkhas have fought and died for. It is my opinion that anyone who has made scarifices for the country they reside in, is more deserving than those who slagg it off on the one hand, with the other out stretched grasping for money and housing. I sacrificed a goat for the Queen, does that count I don't think that anyone is more deserving, but that the failure to provide for some of those who have made very real sacrifices and risks of life should in return receive assurance from the state that they will never be 'left behind' (i.e without treatment, home or in poverty). Similarly, I also believe that people who earn the George Cross should also earn an additional pension for life. Go to any homless area, you will find a large proportion have served for thier country. We just dont look after "damaged vets" to be fair to the Army it has got so much better since (afghanistan) and the very real horror that is PTSD (something I did suffer from, so I know how horrendous it can be. But I dont want to sound like I am only championing homes for heroes, but my whole point on all these topics of immigrants, housing, beneifts, bils down to the simple fact, that in my belief we should get our own house in order, before we start giving scant resources away to people that were "stable" in thier own country but just fancied a bit of what the jones's have. I do not belive we should house one single immigrant while we have homeless children taken advantage of, ex service man sleeping in doorways, homless vulnerable adults getting beaten up for s***s and giggles, or the unfortunates who through circumstances live in a cardboard box that gets pissed on every time some piss head feels like it. You will never irradicate the homeless problem completely, some people are just born dick heads and society is better of without them spreading their DNA about the gaff, however not nearly enough by consecutive Governments both Labour and Tory has been done to address the problem. And yet Mr Jo Bloggs form Ghana can turn up with out a pot to piss in, and get a house car and money. Surely even the likes of comrades Nick and Legal can see this is fundamentaly wrong and borders on positive discrimination? It's a damming indictment of our country how we treat our former serving soldiers, how some of them are just left to rot on the streets with nobody prepared to help them yet here we are hand wringing about a load of waifs and strays who haven't done anything for this country but we've got people demanding these people be let in and housed. Let's look after our own first, we have more of a duty to them than we do those in Calais. Racist.. Ahhhh nearly got me. Edited by dannyh (14 Aug 2015 8.46am) "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Aug 15 8.44am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Aug 2015 6.31pm

Quote fed up eagle at 13 Aug 2015 6.08pm

Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 12.37pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 11.07am

Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 9.56am

Quote DanH at 13 Aug 2015 9.17am

Why do we have to be loyal to the Queen?

I sacrificed a goat for the Queen, does that count

Similarly, I also believe that people who earn the George Cross should also earn an additional pension for life.

And yet Mr Jo Bloggs form Ghana can turn up with out a pot to piss in, and get a house car and money.

Surely even the likes of comrades Nick and Legal can see this is fundamentaly wrong and borders on positive discrimination?

Racist..

Ahhhh nearly got me.

Edited by dannyh (14 Aug 2015 8.46am)

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Aug 15 9.19am
Quote legaleagle at 13 Aug 2015 8.55pm Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 12.37pm Go to any homless area, you will find a large proportion have served for thier country. We just dont look after "damaged vets" to be fair to the Army it has got so much better since (afghanistan) and the very real horror that is PTSD (something I did suffer from, so I know how horrendous it can be. But I dont want to sound like I am only championing homes for heroes, but my whole point on all these topics of immigrants, housing, beneifts, bils down to the simple fact, that in my belief we should get our own house in order, before we start giving scant resources away to people that were "stable" in thier own country but just fancied a bit of what the jones's have. I do not belive we should house one single immigrant while we have homeless children taken advantage of, ex service man sleeping in doorways, homless vulnerable adults getting beaten up for s*s and giggles, or the unfortunates who through circumstances live in a cardboard box that gets pissed on every time some piss head feels like it. You will never irradicate the homeless problem completely, some people are just born dick heads and society is better of without them spreading their DNA about the gaff, however not nearly enough by consecutive Governments both Labour and Tory has been done to address the problem. And yet Mr Jo Bloggs form Ghana can turn up with out a pot to piss in, and get a house car and money. Surely even the likes of comrades Nick and Legal can see this is fundamentaly wrong and borders on positive discrimination? .................................................... Your assumptions about "the likes of legal" can be wrong and may be based more on your own prejudices about people who think slightly differently to you than reality.Shock horror You refer to what you say applying to people from "stable" countries who were "stable" in them. That by definition is economic migrants,not refugees.Genuine refugees who apply for asylum within the UK being the only people who automatically qualify to be granted asylum here. Turning to economic migrants,I've never suggested potential migrants to the Uk should be housed here in preference to homeless people,though I don't think anyone already here legally should be treated differently to anyone else.Kind of the basis of a civilised society and adopted in a "civilised" place with strong immigration controls like Australia Generally speaking homelessness is a scandal and obscene .Its not caused by migrants,Its caused by things like cuts and abolition of rent controls (thanks Maggie) and cutting back on housing benefit for youngsters.Its also caused by people's personal circumstances at times,ie alcoholism, family break ups. As St Mungo's Broadway puts it(they provide a bed and support to more than 2,500 people every night): "homeless and vulnerable people must not be the casualties of cuts to Supporting People (SP) funding, and tough cuts to services could halt homeless people's recovery and lead to more rough sleepers on the streets". Those who (rightly) care about helping ex-service personnel,particularly those with PTSD ,should look as one example at the effect of cynical cuts to the legal aid budget to such people getting good legal representation (some studies suggest about one in ten of the prison population have been in the services at one time or another).It would be a tragedy if those interested in the welfare of ex-personnel were amongst the same applauding legal aid cuts as a part of "austerity" and believing the nonsense propaganda that its all desirable due to fat cat lawyers.Another example of the scapegoat taking attention away from the real problem. If some of those on here care about eradicating homelessness,they might focus on policies to deal with the above rather than constantly foaming at the mouth about immigrants. If we (UK collectively) cared enough we could really cut down on homelessness and do you know what we could also do on top of that? Show some compassion for people from non stable countries who,on top of people living here legally,we could help some out as well. Its what this country has (had) a reputation for going back a long time,true "traditional values" What iv'e got no time for is anyone (not suggesting the poster I'm responding to) who isn't really that bothered deep down about homelessness (and how it could and should be dealt with) but who would go on about it in as yet another excuse to vent their prejudices about "migrants",and who see immigrants as their sole reason for everything wrong with their lives and all the country's woes.Nothing like having a convenient scapegoat so the real issues aren't seen. Edited by legaleagle (13 Aug 2015 10.48pm) Sorry fella that is a load of sanctimonious old waffle, reflective of nothing more than your own political bias. (with just a hint of wanting to call me an out and out racist). You talk about assumptions? like the one you make that every single immigrant running around in Nike airs bricking lorrys and ripping down fences is a poor unfortunate, who if returned to his home land, would be immediately beheaded in front of his friends and family. I know there are genuine cases but a large number are not, why do you consistently ignore that these people are getting into Britain? The reason I mentioned Stable, what I meant was, people coming from a country, (where they are not persecuted, or beheaded for being a Christian, or gay, etc etc,) where they are just a bit on the poor side, and fancy a new house and some free money, getting it above people that have lived and possibly worked in the country for years (maybe in the forces) that are just as poor and just as homeless and in some cases more deserving as they are actually mentally ill. Prejudiced, No. realist, Yes. Lastly will you please climb down off your "labour are great Soap box" they are not, they are just as shyte in comming forward to help the homeless as the Torys are, so blaming a dead politician who hasn’t been in power for over twenty five years, not forgetting that your beloved Labour Party was in power for 13 of those twenty five years ( and did f* all for the homeless as any walk down Waterloo bridge will prove) is pathetic as it is blinkered. Tell me are you WH incarnate ? "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Aug 15 9.19am

Quote legaleagle at 13 Aug 2015 8.55pm

Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 12.37pm

And yet Mr Jo Bloggs form Ghana can turn up with out a pot to piss in, and get a house car and money.

Surely even the likes of comrades Nick and Legal can see this is fundamentaly wrong and borders on positive discrimination?

....................................................

Your assumptions about "the likes of legal" can be wrong and may be based more on your own prejudices about people who think slightly differently to you than reality.Shock horror

As St Mungo's Broadway puts it(they provide a bed and support to more than 2,500 people every night):

"homeless and vulnerable people must not be the casualties of cuts to Supporting People (SP) funding, and tough cuts to services could halt homeless people's recovery and lead to more rough sleepers on the streets".

Those who (rightly) care about helping ex-service personnel,particularly those with PTSD ,should look as one example at the effect of cynical cuts to the legal aid budget to such people getting good legal representation (some studies suggest about one in ten of the prison population have been in the services at one time or another).It would be a tragedy if those interested in the welfare of ex-personnel were amongst the same applauding legal aid cuts as a part of "austerity" and believing the nonsense propaganda that its all desirable due to fat cat lawyers.Another example of the scapegoat taking attention away from the real problem.

If some of those on here care about eradicating homelessness,they might focus on policies to deal with the above rather than constantly foaming at the mouth about immigrants.

What iv'e got no time for is anyone (not suggesting the poster I'm responding to) who isn't really that bothered deep down about homelessness (and how it could and should be dealt with) but who would go on about it in as yet another excuse to vent their prejudices about "migrants",and who see immigrants as their sole reason for everything wrong with their lives and all the country's woes.Nothing like having a convenient scapegoat so the real issues aren't seen.

Edited by legaleagle (13 Aug 2015 10.48pm)

Sorry fella that is a load of sanctimonious old waffle, reflective of nothing more than your own political bias. (with just a hint of wanting to call me an out and out racist).

You talk about assumptions? like the one you make that every single immigrant running around in Nike airs bricking lorrys and ripping down fences is a poor unfortunate, who if returned to his home land, would be immediately beheaded in front of his friends and family. I know there are genuine cases but a large number are not, why do you consistently ignore that these people are getting into Britain?

The reason I mentioned Stable, what I meant was, people coming from a country, (where they are not persecuted, or beheaded for being a Christian, or gay, etc etc,) where they are just a bit on the poor side, and fancy a new house and some free money, getting it above people that have lived and possibly worked in the country for years (maybe in the forces) that are just as poor and just as homeless and in some cases more deserving as they are actually mentally ill.

Prejudiced, No. realist, Yes.

Lastly will you please climb down off your "labour are great Soap box" they are not, they are just as shyte in comming forward to help the homeless as the Torys are, so blaming a dead politician who hasn’t been in power for over twenty five years, not forgetting that your beloved Labour Party was in power for 13 of those twenty five years ( and did f*** all for the homeless as any walk down Waterloo bridge will prove) is pathetic as it is blinkered.

Tell me are you WH incarnate ?

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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