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matt_himself Flag Matataland 25 Nov 12 6.10pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

These people clearly do not want peace and the region has some lovely spots that could be converted into some smashing golfing resorts, so I do believe that it is time to reconsider nuking the entire Middle East. This would resolve the dispute and turn the desert to glass, thus meaning that oil companies will not waste money having to embark on costly searches for oil, they will be able to look down and see where the oil is. This means that savings will be passed on to consumers and help propel Britain out of recession.

I am sure that this proposal will be pooh poohed by our liberal, hand wringing, homo marriage promoting, veggie burger eating, atheist, electric car driving lefty peers on this site, who will no doubt call it barbaric and over top. However, if it were not for such actions in the past, we would now be munching bratwurst and wearing leather shorts, rather than enjoying the freedom granted to us by Her Glorious Majesty in the utopia that is Britain.

 


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The Sash Flag Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 25 Nov 12 6.19pm Send a Private Message to The Sash Add The Sash as a friend

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Quote Jonny_Johnson at 25 Nov 2012 11.10am

I have always contended that the Israel-Palestinian conflict is not about land. It never has been and never will be. Instead, it is about religion - the aptly-called 'Clash of Civilisation.'

Indeed, a Palestinian Imam once remarked that if the population of Israel were Muslim, then there would be no hatred towards them. Israel is the emblematic bone of contention in the Muslim world.

(Bin Laden adopted a similar stance when he rather satirically urged the West to embrace Islam in order to end the Western-Islamic conflict)

Hence, why is it that when over 400 Palestinians have been killed in Syria (by Assad's forces), barely any media organisations, let alone the Islamist-apologist-Left pick up on it and call for solidarity rallies?


To make yourself feel better about defending murderers, thieves and torturers, no doubt.

Let's not focus on the actual original and ongoing problems. The taking of land and the dispossessing of a people and their continual haranguement by the perpertrators. Yeah, it happened and it's still happening but it's nothing to do with that. It's a clash of civilizations, innit?


Edited by Kermit8 (25 Nov 2012 4.03pm)

Do you mean us civilised erudite Hinglish and the barbarians from the wrong side of Berwick ??


 


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The Sash Flag Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 25 Nov 12 6.29pm Send a Private Message to The Sash Add The Sash as a friend

All the pontifications, intellectualisation, justification and blather from both sides of the fence.

This is what war and conflict is really about.

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The fact that not only both sides allow this to happen but will continue with their actions as naseum just shows the quicker human beings dissapear from this planet the better.

We offer the natural order absolutely nothing

 


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Bin Liner Flag London , Southfields 25 Nov 12 6.39pm Send a Private Message to Bin Liner Add Bin Liner as a friend

Quote matt_himself at 25 Nov 2012 6.10pm

These people clearly do not want peace and the region has some lovely spots that could be converted into some smashing golfing resorts, so I do believe that it is time to reconsider nuking the entire Middle East. This would resolve the dispute and turn the desert to glass, thus meaning that oil companies will not waste money having to embark on costly searches for oil, they will be able to look down and see where the oil is. This means that savings will be passed on to consumers and help propel Britain out of recession.

I am sure that this proposal will be pooh poohed by our liberal, hand wringing, homo marriage promoting, veggie burger eating, atheist, electric car driving lefty peers on this site, who will no doubt call it barbaric and over top. However, if it were not for such actions in the past, we would now be munching bratwurst and wearing leather shorts, rather than enjoying the freedom granted to us by Her Glorious Majesty in the utopia that is Britain.


great idea, and then watch a cloud of nuclear vapour kill millions and head over to Europe

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 25 Nov 12 7.03pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Quote Bin Liner at 25 Nov 2012 6.39pm

Quote matt_himself at 25 Nov 2012 6.10pm

These people clearly do not want peace and the region has some lovely spots that could be converted into some smashing golfing resorts, so I do believe that it is time to reconsider nuking the entire Middle East. This would resolve the dispute and turn the desert to glass, thus meaning that oil companies will not waste money having to embark on costly searches for oil, they will be able to look down and see where the oil is. This means that savings will be passed on to consumers and help propel Britain out of recession.

I am sure that this proposal will be pooh poohed by our liberal, hand wringing, homo marriage promoting, veggie burger eating, atheist, electric car driving lefty peers on this site, who will no doubt call it barbaric and over top. However, if it were not for such actions in the past, we would now be munching bratwurst and wearing leather shorts, rather than enjoying the freedom granted to us by Her Glorious Majesty in the utopia that is Britain.


great idea, and then watch a cloud of nuclear vapour kill millions and head over to Europe


Well it does depend which way the wind blows. If it goes east, it hits India. I have been to India and would say it is one of the few places in the World that would benefit from being hit by a tactical nuclear strike. It would be far more hygienic, congestion free and the food would be better following a nuclear winter.

If it goes West, then Greece and the Balkans get it. This could assist in reducing the Greek social security burden and would flood the country with aid to rebuild the place, thus providing a welcome financial boost during these recessionary times.

With regards to the Balkans, it is only a matter of time before those bunch of loonies have another crack at all out war and genocide. Heading that off could then allow hotel magnates to build some cracking yachting resorts in the Adriatic.

Whichever way you look at it, it is a win win situation.

 


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Bin Liner Flag London , Southfields 25 Nov 12 7.04pm Send a Private Message to Bin Liner Add Bin Liner as a friend

Quote matt_himself at 25 Nov 2012 7.03pm

Quote Bin Liner at 25 Nov 2012 6.39pm

Quote matt_himself at 25 Nov 2012 6.10pm

These people clearly do not want peace and the region has some lovely spots that could be converted into some smashing golfing resorts, so I do believe that it is time to reconsider nuking the entire Middle East. This would resolve the dispute and turn the desert to glass, thus meaning that oil companies will not waste money having to embark on costly searches for oil, they will be able to look down and see where the oil is. This means that savings will be passed on to consumers and help propel Britain out of recession.

I am sure that this proposal will be pooh poohed by our liberal, hand wringing, homo marriage promoting, veggie burger eating, atheist, electric car driving lefty peers on this site, who will no doubt call it barbaric and over top. However, if it were not for such actions in the past, we would now be munching bratwurst and wearing leather shorts, rather than enjoying the freedom granted to us by Her Glorious Majesty in the utopia that is Britain.


great idea, and then watch a cloud of nuclear vapour kill millions and head over to Europe


Well it does depend which way the wind blows. If it goes east, it hits India. I have been to India and would say it is one of the few places in the World that would benefit from being hit by a tactical nuclear strike. It would be far more hygienic, congestion free and the food would be better following a nuclear winter.

If it goes West, then Greece and the Balkans get it. This could assist in reducing the Greek social security burden and would flood the country with aid to rebuild the place, thus providing a welcome financial boost during these recessionary times.

With regards to the Balkans, it is only a matter of time before those bunch of loonies have another crack at all out war and genocide. Heading that off could then allow hotel magnates to build some cracking yachting resorts in the Adriatic.

Whichever way you look at it, it is a win win situation.


Cyprus is just over 200 miles away from Israel

 


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Quote The Sash at 25 Nov 2012 6.29pm

All the pontifications, intellectualisation, justification and blather from both sides of the fence.

This is what war and conflict is really about.

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The fact that not only both sides allow this to happen but will continue with their actions as naseum just shows the quicker human beings dissapear from this planet the better.

We offer the natural order absolutely nothing

No, this is entirely wrong.

Nature is full of nothing but death and destruction.

Look around you at the world outside of human beings. In a forest or jungle animals are killed in the most brutal fashion. It's a never ending battle of birth and death, with young animals singled out most of all.

Nature isn't an entity that cares, social animals are and only as a mechanism for survival.

Your attitude is entirely the result of having been protected from the real, 'natural order'.

In the 'natural order' your life expectancy would probably be around about twenty.


Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Nov 2012 7.10pm)

 


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Green Bin Flag Carshalton Beeches 25 Nov 12 7.14pm Send a Private Message to Green Bin Add Green Bin as a friend

Quote Catfish at 18 Nov 2012 7.19pm

Heavy handed yes. Any country that comes under repeated rocket attacks is likely to strike back at some point but I think they have made their point.

Point taken, but Israel has been carrying out economic, humanitarian and territoral warfare against the palestinians for dozens of years, including of course the original take over of palestinian land and property in '47 (this wasn't a bloodless process) and subsequent creeping annexation of further land for settlements.

It is true that some Arabs as well as alot of Palestinians wont accept a Jewish state in Palestine, but the same is true in Israel with fundamentalists who will never allow a Palestinian state to exist.

Israel obviously has a very strong military infrastructure underwritten by the United States which bows to the Jewish lobby as well as a very right wing Christian fundamentalist lobby (some of whom actually want Israel to go to war with the Arabs to fulfil a biblical prophesy)

It only takes a modicum of research to understand that many Israels (including most of the political parties) idea of a proper peace agreement, is for the Palestinians to accept a second class stateless existance having ceded to Israel all of the land it wants and having no viability as a coherent and succesful community (just look at the comments by one Israeli minister who suggested the head of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas should be forcibly removed if the UN grants it a higher status).

Given this situation (which is a little reminiscent of the Irish troubles) where one side knows it will not achieve anything truly worthwhile from negotiations, it is no surprise that it decides it will not sit passively by...given the results of the IRA's long campaign in Northern Ireland, who can say that violence didn't influence a positive outcome for the Catholic's

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 25 Nov 12 7.14pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Quote Bin Liner at 25 Nov 2012 7.04pm

Quote matt_himself at 25 Nov 2012 7.03pm

Quote Bin Liner at 25 Nov 2012 6.39pm

Quote matt_himself at 25 Nov 2012 6.10pm

These people clearly do not want peace and the region has some lovely spots that could be converted into some smashing golfing resorts, so I do believe that it is time to reconsider nuking the entire Middle East. This would resolve the dispute and turn the desert to glass, thus meaning that oil companies will not waste money having to embark on costly searches for oil, they will be able to look down and see where the oil is. This means that savings will be passed on to consumers and help propel Britain out of recession.

I am sure that this proposal will be pooh poohed by our liberal, hand wringing, homo marriage promoting, veggie burger eating, atheist, electric car driving lefty peers on this site, who will no doubt call it barbaric and over top. However, if it were not for such actions in the past, we would now be munching bratwurst and wearing leather shorts, rather than enjoying the freedom granted to us by Her Glorious Majesty in the utopia that is Britain.


great idea, and then watch a cloud of nuclear vapour kill millions and head over to Europe


Well it does depend which way the wind blows. If it goes east, it hits India. I have been to India and would say it is one of the few places in the World that would benefit from being hit by a tactical nuclear strike. It would be far more hygienic, congestion free and the food would be better following a nuclear winter.

If it goes West, then Greece and the Balkans get it. This could assist in reducing the Greek social security burden and would flood the country with aid to rebuild the place, thus providing a welcome financial boost during these recessionary times.

With regards to the Balkans, it is only a matter of time before those bunch of loonies have another crack at all out war and genocide. Heading that off could then allow hotel magnates to build some cracking yachting resorts in the Adriatic.

Whichever way you look at it, it is a win win situation.


Cyprus is just over 200 miles away from Israel

You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Jonny_Johnson Flag Tel Aviv 25 Nov 12 7.15pm

Quote Kermit8 at 25 Nov 2012 4.02pm

Quote Jonny_Johnson at 25 Nov 2012 11.10am

I have always contended that the Israel-Palestinian conflict is not about land. It never has been and never will be. Instead, it is about religion - the aptly-called 'Clash of Civilisation.'

Indeed, a Palestinian Imam once remarked that if the population of Israel were Muslim, then there would be no hatred towards them. Israel is the emblematic bone of contention in the Muslim world.

(Bin Laden adopted a similar stance when he rather satirically urged the West to embrace Islam in order to end the Western-Islamic conflict)

Hence, why is it that when over 400 Palestinians have been killed in Syria (by Assad's forces), barely any media organisations, let alone the Islamist-apologist-Left pick up on it and call for solidarity rallies?


To make yourself feel better about defending murderers, thieves and torturers, no doubt.

Let's not focus on the actual original and ongoing problems. The taking of land and the dispossessing of a people and their continual haranguement by the perpertrators. Yeah, it happened and it's still happening but it's nothing to do with that. It's a clash of civilizations, innit?

Edited by Kermit8 (25 Nov 2012 4.03pm)


Kermy: I applaud your sense of rectitude. Let us not forget the barbaric British and abhorrent Americans that have plundered, raped and usurped the helpless Iraqis and Afghanis. Classic war crimes including Honey, I blew up the bus (carrying the wedding guests); (Checkpoint) Charlie's Angels; Gangs of New Helmand; Sleepless in Abu Ghrayib; and many, many more.

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Numbers of civilians killed from Afghanistan and Iraq wars: 132,000.

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Numbers of Palestinians killed in Gaza, 2012: 169.

You are right. The taking of land and the dispossessing of a people and their continual haranguement by the perpertrators is devastating.

Kermy, if the Israelis are engaging in genocide and massacres of the Palestinians, then they're fcuking awful at it.

 

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Quote matt_himself at 25 Nov 2012 7.03pm

Quote Bin Liner at 25 Nov 2012 6.39pm

Quote matt_himself at 25 Nov 2012 6.10pm

These people clearly do not want peace and the region has some lovely spots that could be converted into some smashing golfing resorts, so I do believe that it is time to reconsider nuking the entire Middle East. This would resolve the dispute and turn the desert to glass, thus meaning that oil companies will not waste money having to embark on costly searches for oil, they will be able to look down and see where the oil is. This means that savings will be passed on to consumers and help propel Britain out of recession.

I am sure that this proposal will be pooh poohed by our liberal, hand wringing, homo marriage promoting, veggie burger eating, atheist, electric car driving lefty peers on this site, who will no doubt call it barbaric and over top. However, if it were not for such actions in the past, we would now be munching bratwurst and wearing leather shorts, rather than enjoying the freedom granted to us by Her Glorious Majesty in the utopia that is Britain.


great idea, and then watch a cloud of nuclear vapour kill millions and head over to Europe


Well it does depend which way the wind blows. If it goes east, it hits India. I have been to India and would say it is one of the few places in the World that would benefit from being hit by a tactical nuclear strike. It would be far more hygienic, congestion free and the food would be better following a nuclear winter.

If it goes West, then Greece and the Balkans get it. This could assist in reducing the Greek social security burden and would flood the country with aid to rebuild the place, thus providing a welcome financial boost during these recessionary times.

With regards to the Balkans, it is only a matter of time before those bunch of loonies have another crack at all out war and genocide. Heading that off could then allow hotel magnates to build some cracking yachting resorts in the Adriatic.

Whichever way you look at it, it is a win win situation.

Perversely your atitudes expressed align you quite nicely with Hitler and Osama Bin Laden. Your viewpoint about everybody east of Berlin tends to ignore that the nutcases who started the First World War were very much of the Western capitalist christian breed.

 

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Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Nov 2012 7.09pm

Quote The Sash at 25 Nov 2012 6.29pm

All the pontifications, intellectualisation, justification and blather from both sides of the fence.

This is what war and conflict is really about.

[Link]

The fact that not only both sides allow this to happen but will continue with their actions as naseum just shows the quicker human beings dissapear from this planet the better.

We offer the natural order absolutely nothing

No, this is entirely wrong.

Nature is full of nothing but death and destruction.

Look around you at the world outside of human beings. In a forest or jungle animals are killed in the most brutal fashion. It's a never ending battle of birth and death, with young animals singled out most of all.

Nature isn't an entity that cares, social animals are and only as a mechanism for survival.

Your attitude is entirely the result of having been protected from the real, 'natural order'.

In the 'natural order' your life expectancy would probably be around about twenty.


Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Nov 2012 7.10pm)


No its entirely right and frankly the exact reasoning you display is why children can still me murdered and have justification, intellectualism and pontification put behind it.

Probably 'natural order' was a wrong choice of phrase but animals will generally kill purely as a survival instict or for food.

Humans with our supposed higher reasoning and intellect should have evolved beyond such things but we continue to kill each other in droves on a daily basis and find paper thin arguments to support it

 


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