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  Hrolf The Ganger  23 Mar 17 5.23pm |
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Have a lie down. All this hypocrisy is wearing you out.
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| legaleagle 23 Mar 17 5.23pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The IRA were all but neutralised and McGuinness knew that. He was given an a chance to become 'respectable' and he took it. Possibly a little more nuanced than that. BBC News 2007: "Army paper says IRA not defeated An internal British army document examining 37 years of deployment in Northern Ireland contains the claim by one expert that it failed to defeat the IRA. It focuses on specific operations and gives an overview of its performance. The document, obtained by the Pat Finucane Centre, points to a number of mistakes, including internment and highlights what lessons have been learnt. It describes the IRA as "a professional, dedicated, highly skilled and resilient force", while loyalist paramilitaries and other republican groups are described as "little more than a collection of gangsters".
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Mar 17 5.26pm |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Possibly a little more nuanced than that. BBC News 2007: "Army paper says IRA not defeated An internal British army document examining 37 years of deployment in Northern Ireland contains the claim by one expert that it failed to defeat the IRA. It focuses on specific operations and gives an overview of its performance. The document, obtained by the Pat Finucane Centre, points to a number of mistakes, including internment and highlights what lessons have been learnt. It describes the IRA as "a professional, dedicated, highly skilled and resilient force", while loyalist paramilitaries and other republican groups are described as "little more than a collection of gangsters".
I suppose it's all down to definitions as per usual.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Mar 17 5.34pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I suppose it's all down to definitions as per usual. Or in your case, myopia.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Mar 17 5.44pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Or in your case, myopia. Oh ouch, I'm so terribly offended. Your right, The IRA could have carried on bombing until we surrendered and reunited Ireland. I'm just glad we achieved peace even if it meant murdering scumbags got off free.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 23 Mar 17 5.48pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I don't really see a distinction. Paisley was almost certainly involved with the UVF in the same way that Adams was with the PIRA, and was involved in the formation of a number of Paramilitary loyalist groups. I dare say his hands were no cleaner than Adams or McGuiness. You dare say? What evidence to you have that Paisley was actively involved in terrorism as McGuiness and Adams were?
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| steeleye20 Croydon 23 Mar 17 6.07pm |
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Paisley formed 'the third force' to fight the IRA. He claimed to have 15,000 armed members - whatever happened to it can't remember but it was under direct rule so ruled out in some way.
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| elgrande bedford 23 Mar 17 6.37pm |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Possibly a little more nuanced than that. BBC News 2007: "Army paper says IRA not defeated An internal British army document examining 37 years of deployment in Northern Ireland contains the claim by one expert that it failed to defeat the IRA. It focuses on specific operations and gives an overview of its performance. The document, obtained by the Pat Finucane Centre, points to a number of mistakes, including internment and highlights what lessons have been learnt. It describes the IRA as "a professional, dedicated, highly skilled and resilient force", while loyalist paramilitaries and other republican groups are described as "little more than a collection of gangsters".
Erm,just a small point to that glowing tribute you put to the ira....they were the biggest gangsters in NI,and to a certain extent still are,the one who has just died...(good riddance),has a son who is heavily involved in drugs.
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| Mo Sizlak 23 Mar 17 6.55pm |
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Oh well. At least he's off to somewhere hot. Take Me Out was the only thing I ever liked him in.
Babs and Clean Willie were in love they said.... |
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| elgrande bedford 23 Mar 17 7.13pm |
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Originally posted by Mo Sizlak
Oh well. At least he's off to somewhere hot. Take Me Out was the only thing I ever liked him in. Z
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| Mo Sizlak 23 Mar 17 7.13pm |
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I'll wager that when he did enter the gates of hell Bobby Sands had already eaten his welcome basket.
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| elgrande bedford 23 Mar 17 7.15pm |
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Originally posted by Mo Sizlak
I'll wager that when he did enter the gates of hell Bobby Sands had already eaten his welcome basket. And wiped the remains all over his room...
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