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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 14 Feb 17 2.23pm |
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There is no such thing as British values, just differing shades on a spectrum of morality. With the primate that is the human being, it is a case of nurture or nature. There are no in built genetically based heroic values in the soup that is the British gene pool rather the impactful difference of growing up in a Scouse slum, or an Eton boarding school and the individual’s reaction to the stimulate. There are British stereotypes; which many people believe to be British values. I am sure many a misty eye will think back and imagine a time of Spitfires over the Downs and Northerners with flat caps, clogs ,going down t’ mine. However, for every public schooled gent that holds a door open for a lady, there is a beer-swilling skinhead in an England shirt throwing tables in a European bar. Perhaps to get a sense of British values you need to see how other people see us but then when you get the feedback it will just be a mishmash of there own stereotypes of the British.
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jamiemartin721  Reading 14 Feb 17 4.08pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Yeah, but generally speaking, most left-wing ideas are tosh. As may be, but like democracy being flawed, they're still much better than the alternative.
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  Hrolf The Ganger 14 Feb 17 5.18pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
As may be, but like democracy being flawed, they're still much better than the alternative. Lol So much for neutrality.
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| Herts_CPFC 14 Feb 17 5.39pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Well yes, and no. There are ideas about what British values are, but there isn't a real consensus. For example, you probably have a very different idea of British Values than I do, but neither are actually true. They're just ideas. We establish ourselves, in line with discourses to which we subscribe, and negate others without engagement, by dismissal, such as you did in your paragraph with the idea of left wing criticism of what you may consider British values. Truth generally lies between the idealology and the critical analysis of the ideal (if it can be said to exist at all). Of course there are no universally agreed set of British values, but values are intrinsically linked to the concept of culture, and to deny there are broadly adhered to set of British values would suggest there is also not such a thing as British culture. Now, no doubt some would agree entirely with this and claim there is no such as thing as a British culture, as not everyone subscribes to the same "way things are done" as the masses do- but this is missing the point really, especially as the people that hold this view are generally the same eejits who are obsessed with multiculturalism and celebrating the "culture" of each and every minority residing in Britain. Again, it seems that some want to have it both ways.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Feb 17 5.58pm |
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Originally posted by Herts_CPFC
Of course there are no universally agreed set of British values, but values are intrinsically linked to the concept of culture, and to deny there are broadly adhered to set of British values would suggest there is also not such a thing as British culture. Now, no doubt some would agree entirely with this and claim there is no such as thing as a British culture, as not everyone subscribes to the same "way things are done" as the masses do- but this is missing the point really, especially as the people that hold this view are generally the same eejits who are obsessed with multiculturalism and celebrating the "culture" of each and every minority residing in Britain. Again, it seems that some want to have it both ways. Can you name any of the eejits obsessed with multi culturalism?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 14 Feb 17 6.37pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Can you name any of the eejits obsessed with multi culturalism? Well mainly people trying to secure their votes....and the BBC. Oh I forgot people employing them on low wages and people trying to sell them things on TV. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Feb 2017 6.39pm)
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| Herts_CPFC 14 Feb 17 6.41pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Can you name any of the eejits obsessed with multi culturalism? Not sure if this is a serious question, so I'll answer if with a question back and ask you if you are a proponent of multiculturalism in Britain?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Feb 17 6.45pm |
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Originally posted by Herts_CPFC
Not sure if this is a serious question, so I'll answer if with a question back and ask you if you are a proponent of multiculturalism in Britain? You said there are people obsessed with multiculturalism. I asked you to name some. It really is that simple.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Feb 17 6.46pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Well mainly people trying to secure their votes....and the BBC. Oh I forgot people employing them on low wages and people trying to sell them things on TV. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Feb 2017 6.39pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 14 Feb 17 7.00pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Nick. You know that some on your side of politics seem obsessed with preaching the virtues of multi culture when it suits them. Some might even believe in it for real. What ymost really care about is their own careers and getting the gullible to vote for them. They sure don't care about the average person, who stands to gain next to nothing from mass immigration, except perhaps a better understanding of a range of bonkers religions.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Feb 17 7.21pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Nick. You know that some on your side of politics seem obsessed with preaching the virtues of multi culture when it suits them. Some might even believe in it for real. What ymost really care about is their own careers and getting the gullible to vote for them. They sure don't care about the average person, who stands to gain next to nothing from mass immigration, except perhaps a better understanding of a range of bonkers religions. So you can't answer a simple question? Fair enough.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 14 Feb 17 7.22pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
You said there are people obsessed with multiculturalism. I asked you to name some. It really is that simple. Well there are a Secretary of State for 'Communities' and a Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for 'Faith & Integration'. As it is apparently all so wonderful and non-problematic, why do we need these Ministers?
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