Is this thread a book of condolences?

It's a discussion about the wider issues around the horrific murder. I thought Gibbons shows the hypocrisy of the way the press report issues depending on the colour or religion of perpetrators very well.
It's about how the political rhetoric of the last few weeks may or may not have fermented hate in an obviously mentally ill person so much it drove him to kill a young mother of 2. Do we not need to try and understand what lead to such a tragic waste of life.

Edit: From the Guardian just now...

Thomas Mair has given his name as “death to traitors, freedom for Britain” as he appeared in court charged with the murder of Labour MP Jo Cox.

Edited by nickgusset (18 Jun 2016 10.39am)

See my edit above. Does this affect your opinion or do you still think it wasn't a terrorist assassination?
Apologists for Muslim terrorism? Don't be stupid. Asking for people not to tar all Muslims with the same brush is very different to what you imply.

Edited by nickgusset (18 Jun 2016 10.50am)

I think this bloke was a nut case full stop.

Having some fascination for Nazis or making your self feel all important by joining some right wing group, if that was even the case, does not preclude the fact that he was a nut.
In any case, there is a clear difference between the rather pathetic far right wing in this country and their warped super nationalistic so called defense of Britain and those who are sympathetic to, inspired by or in league with ISIS who wish to destroy the West and everything we stand for.

Britain has never been a radical country and Fascism has zero chance of ever being a significant force in politics. It is thankfully reduced to a handful of f***wits who turn up occasionally and do a few salutes. The threat of radical Islam is so much more and should be viewed as such.

I don't expect your agreement on this.

Radical Islam is a worrying problem I haven't said any different. My problem is those who view all Muslims with suspicion.

You say fascism has zero chance becoming mainstream; does Farage’s poster the other day not mirror Nazi propaganda?
Doesn't the fact that we are seeing more us and them type stuff from newspapers show fascistic tendencies?
You say it's a few nutjobs, well one of those nutjobs has slain an innocent mother. Other nutjobs have threatened Labour MP's including the London Mayor using threats of death and calling them traitors.

Are you going to tarnish all white British as Extremists because of Mairs actions. I doubt it.

Fascism is on the rise. Don't dismiss this. Try and understand who is complicit and think about why.

Where to begin.

This is a predominantly white country. Any murder that takes place should be most likely committed by a white person. On that basis I don't suspect all white people for being potential murderers.

Secondly, I'm certain that Muslims are not all worthy of suspicion, but the ISIL sympathisers are in almost ever case likely to come form their number. This is not prejudice, it is just common sense.

Nigel Farage is no more a Nazi than you are and to even imply it just puts the rest of what you say into context.

How can I take you seriously?

And the reason why there has been a shift to the right in Britain is because those that have voiced their discomfort and concern about the vast numbers of immigrants coming here over the last decade have been ignored or vilified. There has been a reaction. People are shouting a bit louder. This might explain why UKIP are doing well, Brexit has done better than expected and why some nutcase living in heavily ethnic Yorkshire finally loses the plot completely and kills someone.

You can draw your own conclusions as we all do.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Jun 2016 11.35am)

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Jun 2016 11.37am)

I would express "not jumping to conclusions" if the assailant here was a single muslim but as in this case there was a question over his sanity.

A group of young bearded people dressed in black combat gear with bombvests and toting assault rifles shouting "Alan's Snackbar" in a crowded Paris bar/theatre taking hostages leaves little doubt as to motives and perpetrators even at first glance of an attack.

In this example we have a mentally ill middle aged white man with a knife and home made gun attacking one person. Yes it seems he has had right wing associations but was his target just Jo Cox or was he intending further harm?

If his attack was racially or politically motivated and he was of sound mind carrying out his attack I condemn it every bit as much as any terrorist attack.

Telling people you don't know to "look in the mirror" as if they would condone any killing is pathetic.