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jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Nov 15 2.48pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 1.36pm Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 11.45am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 11.17am Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 11.09am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 10.53am Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 9.57am Quote -TUX- at 10 Nov 2015 6.56pm Quote Superfly at 10 Nov 2015 11.17am Quote Cucking Funt at 10 Nov 2015 11.07am Quote Superfly at 10 Nov 2015 11.00am I can't believe the winging on this site at times. Boo hoo hoo - I got told off for linking being black with being a cnt! TUX would you have said that out loud if you were standing next to a black bloke? And Willo. Shut up. If you can't see the difference between naming a dish after the region it originated and linking violent behaviour to skin colour then words fail me. But if he HAD said it out loud standing next to a black bloke and it provoked the kind of reaction you're implying it would, wouldn't that kind of vindicate his comment? Should opinions be stifled just because someone might react with violence? That's such an odd thing to say Cucking. I was asking TUX if he would say it, knowing that it would cause offense to him* (not what the imaginary blokes reaction would be - which you seem to have assumed would be violent). The imaginary black bloke would react to being offended by an ignorant comment. The same as imaginary blokes of any colour. 1. Why do you presume he'd be offended but not ashamed?2. It was never an ignorant comment, purely an assumption based on probability. Just like my bet on Sunday re Palace v Liverpool. When something happens more often than not then the odds are in your favour are they not? This has absolutely nothing to do with my stance on any given race, purely the 'odds' based on the facts. For all the deadheads here, and that includes the mods, the clue was in the very first line of this thread.......Really brave, two of them attacking an 87 year old woman. She probably "dissed" them Hardly rocket science is it! Yes, you're right. He should be ashamed. Of course, that also means that you should be ashamed on behalf of the white race for Harold Shipman and Peter Sutcliffe and the West's and the other predominatly white British serial killers. Must be a race thing eh? Those Teddy Boys used to love a carve up with a razor blade. Bloody whites eh! I really can't be bothered with the rest of it. My main point btw was you bleating about your yellow and all the 'you can't say anything nowadays' brigade that followed. Saying something like 'typical blacks' will almost certainly get you carded. Yes that would be OK argument if 90% of street crime, which is what we are talking about, was committed by whites in line with their numbers. That is not the case. This is not about blaming all black people or expecting each individual to take responsibility or feel ashamed for someone else's actions. it is about recognising the fact that the black community has a huge problem with it's youth. Knife and drug crime has been a problem within the black community since the 50's, it is nothing new. This stuff effects us all so we are entitled to comment on it. Statistically, someone is twice as likely to be stabbed by a black person that anyone else. Talking about white serial killers in a predominantly white country is not helpful, comparable or relevant. It is just ducking the issue. This was the issue, with TUX, that I was dealing with. I wasn't ducking any issues - I was talking specifically about the stupid suggestion that an innocent black man should be ashamed on behalf of actions carried out by another member of his race. But cheers for the lecture anyway. No lecture intended Suoerfly. In fact I agree with what you say. This is a subject that we should all be concerned with but I can't feel guilty because of Hitler or Stalin so I wouldn't expect anyone else to do similar. What I would expect is for parents to act responsibly and mind their kids. Discipline begins at home. And for the record, I mostly agree with you Hrolf. There is most definitly a crime problem within the black community. Where we differ is - I don't think it's helpful emphasising (or, in the case of this specific thread, even mentioning) race. Crime is caused by circumstance and not by pigmentation. If you do that, it becomes the reason (they did it coz they're black) which then leads to the absurd assumptions that an innocent person should feel a measure of shame for someone elses actions. What circumstances are these ? I need to understand. Depends on the crimes, but its important to remember that they're correlation rather than casual factors. Poverty is a strong correlation to criminality, but its not causal. The most common factor in violent crime and behaviour is the experience of accepted violence at the hands of others, or witnessing accepted violence. Usually in incidents like these, its about people who have adopted the acceptance of violence as a means of resolution of problems, or are trying to impress upon others. Typically its people like this that essentially are shallow, insecure and stupid, and their front and demeanour are typically about 'showing they are not' at every opportunity (especially to peers). Tragic really that people can be so jaded and lack such meaning in the value of their own existence, that they establish their own sense of worth by actions like these. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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I can't believe the winging on this site at times. Boo hoo hoo - I got told off for linking being black with being a c*nt! TUX would you have said that out loud if you were standing next to a black bloke?

And Willo. Shut up. If you can't see the difference between naming a dish after the region it originated and linking violent behaviour to skin colour then words fail me.

But if he HAD said it out loud standing next to a black bloke and it provoked the kind of reaction you're implying it would, wouldn't that kind of vindicate his comment? Should opinions be stifled just because someone might react with violence?

That's such an odd thing to say Cucking. I was asking TUX if he would say it, knowing that it would cause offense to him (not what the imaginary blokes reaction would be - which you seem to have assumed would be violent). The imaginary black bloke would react to being offended by an ignorant comment. The same as imaginary blokes of any colour.

1. Why do you presume he'd be offended but not ashamed?2. It was never an ignorant comment, purely an assumption based on probability. Just like my bet on Sunday re Palace v Liverpool. When something happens more often than not then the odds are in your favour are they not?

This has absolutely nothing to do with my stance on any given race, purely the 'odds' based on the facts.
For all the deadheads here, and that includes the mods, the clue was in the very first line of this thread.......Really brave, two of them attacking an 87 year old woman. She probably "dissed" them

Hardly rocket science is it!

Yes, you're right. He should be ashamed.

Of course, that also means that you should be ashamed on behalf of the white race for Harold Shipman and Peter Sutcliffe and the West's and the other predominatly white British serial killers. Must be a race thing eh?
Those Teddy Boys used to love a carve up with a razor blade. Bloody whites eh!

I really can't be bothered with the rest of it.

My main point btw was you bleating about your yellow and all the 'you can't say anything nowadays' brigade that followed. Saying something like 'typical blacks' will almost certainly get you carded.

Yes that would be OK argument if 90% of street crime, which is what we are talking about, was committed by whites in line with their numbers. That is not the case. This is not about blaming all black people or expecting each individual to take responsibility or feel ashamed for someone else's actions. it is about recognising the fact that the black community has a huge problem with it's youth. Knife and drug crime has been a problem within the black community since the 50's, it is nothing new. This stuff effects us all so we are entitled to comment on it. Statistically, someone is twice as likely to be stabbed by a black person that anyone else. Talking about white serial killers in a predominantly white country is not helpful, comparable or relevant. It is just ducking the issue.

This was the issue, with TUX, that I was dealing with. I wasn't ducking any issues - I was talking specifically about the stupid suggestion that an innocent black man should be ashamed on behalf of actions carried out by another member of his race. But cheers for the lecture anyway.

No lecture intended Suoerfly. In fact I agree with what you say. This is a subject that we should all be concerned with but I can't feel guilty because of Hitler or Stalin so I wouldn't expect anyone else to do similar. What I would expect is for parents to act responsibly and mind their kids. Discipline begins at home.

And for the record, I mostly agree with you Hrolf. There is most definitly a crime problem within the black community. Where we differ is - I don't think it's helpful emphasising (or, in the case of this specific thread, even mentioning) race. Crime is caused by circumstance and not by pigmentation. If you do that, it becomes the reason (they did it coz they're black) which then leads to the absurd assumptions that an innocent person should feel a measure of shame for someone elses actions.

What circumstances are these ? I need to understand.

Depends on the crimes, but its important to remember that they're correlation rather than casual factors. Poverty is a strong correlation to criminality, but its not causal. The most common factor in violent crime and behaviour is the experience of accepted violence at the hands of others, or witnessing accepted violence.

Usually in incidents like these, its about people who have adopted the acceptance of violence as a means of resolution of problems, or are trying to impress upon others. Typically its people like this that essentially are shallow, insecure and stupid, and their front and demeanour are typically about 'showing they are not' at every opportunity (especially to peers). Tragic really that people can be so jaded and lack such meaning in the value of their own existence, that they establish their own sense of worth by actions like these.

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Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 2.00pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 1.36pm Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 11.45am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 11.17am Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 11.09am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 10.53am Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 9.57am Quote -TUX- at 10 Nov 2015 6.56pm Quote Superfly at 10 Nov 2015 11.17am Quote Cucking Funt at 10 Nov 2015 11.07am Quote Superfly at 10 Nov 2015 11.00am I can't believe the winging on this site at times. Boo hoo hoo - I got told off for linking being black with being a cnt! TUX would you have said that out loud if you were standing next to a black bloke? And Willo. Shut up. If you can't see the difference between naming a dish after the region it originated and linking violent behaviour to skin colour then words fail me. But if he HAD said it out loud standing next to a black bloke and it provoked the kind of reaction you're implying it would, wouldn't that kind of vindicate his comment? Should opinions be stifled just because someone might react with violence? That's such an odd thing to say Cucking. I was asking TUX if he would say it, knowing that it would cause offense to him* (not what the imaginary blokes reaction would be - which you seem to have assumed would be violent). The imaginary black bloke would react to being offended by an ignorant comment. The same as imaginary blokes of any colour. 1. Why do you presume he'd be offended but not ashamed?2. It was never an ignorant comment, purely an assumption based on probability. Just like my bet on Sunday re Palace v Liverpool. When something happens more often than not then the odds are in your favour are they not? This has absolutely nothing to do with my stance on any given race, purely the 'odds' based on the facts. For all the deadheads here, and that includes the mods, the clue was in the very first line of this thread.......Really brave, two of them attacking an 87 year old woman. She probably "dissed" them Hardly rocket science is it! Yes, you're right. He should be ashamed. Of course, that also means that you should be ashamed on behalf of the white race for Harold Shipman and Peter Sutcliffe and the West's and the other predominatly white British serial killers. Must be a race thing eh? Those Teddy Boys used to love a carve up with a razor blade. Bloody whites eh! I really can't be bothered with the rest of it. My main point btw was you bleating about your yellow and all the 'you can't say anything nowadays' brigade that followed. Saying something like 'typical blacks' will almost certainly get you carded. Yes that would be OK argument if 90% of street crime, which is what we are talking about, was committed by whites in line with their numbers. That is not the case. This is not about blaming all black people or expecting each individual to take responsibility or feel ashamed for someone else's actions. it is about recognising the fact that the black community has a huge problem with it's youth. Knife and drug crime has been a problem within the black community since the 50's, it is nothing new. This stuff effects us all so we are entitled to comment on it. Statistically, someone is twice as likely to be stabbed by a black person that anyone else. Talking about white serial killers in a predominantly white country is not helpful, comparable or relevant. It is just ducking the issue. This was the issue, with TUX, that I was dealing with. I wasn't ducking any issues - I was talking specifically about the stupid suggestion that an innocent black man should be ashamed on behalf of actions carried out by another member of his race. But cheers for the lecture anyway. No lecture intended Suoerfly. In fact I agree with what you say. This is a subject that we should all be concerned with but I can't feel guilty because of Hitler or Stalin so I wouldn't expect anyone else to do similar. What I would expect is for parents to act responsibly and mind their kids. Discipline begins at home. And for the record, I mostly agree with you Hrolf. There is most definitly a crime problem within the black community. Where we differ is - I don't think it's helpful emphasising (or, in the case of this specific thread, even mentioning) race. Crime is caused by circumstance and not by pigmentation. If you do that, it becomes the reason (they did it coz they're black) which then leads to the absurd assumptions that an innocent person should feel a measure of shame for someone elses actions. What circumstances are these ? I need to understand. I could give you opinions but as I've done no independant research, it would be unwise and unreliable of me to offer suggestions. But it's not because they were born black. So that rules out racism then ? How much of it do you think is a hangover from Caribbean culture ? Gang culture seems to be a problem in Jamacia for example. Did some just bring it with them or is it a question of lack of parental discipline or role models ? Maybe they are all part of the same thing.
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And Willo. Shut up. If you can't see the difference between naming a dish after the region it originated and linking violent behaviour to skin colour then words fail me.

Hardly rocket science is it!

Yes, you're right. He should be ashamed.

I really can't be bothered with the rest of it.

My main point btw was you bleating about your yellow and all the 'you can't say anything nowadays' brigade that followed. Saying something like 'typical blacks' will almost certainly get you carded.

What circumstances are these ? I need to understand.

I could give you opinions but as I've done no independant research, it would be unwise and unreliable of me to offer suggestions. But it's not because they were born black.

So that rules out racism then ?

How much of it do you think is a hangover from Caribbean culture ? Gang culture seems to be a problem in Jamacia for example. Did some just bring it with them or is it a question of lack of parental discipline or role models ? Maybe they are all part of the same thing.

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 2.49pm Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 2.00pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 1.36pm Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 11.45am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 11.17am Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 11.09am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 10.53am Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 9.57am Quote -TUX- at 10 Nov 2015 6.56pm Quote Superfly at 10 Nov 2015 11.17am Quote Cucking Funt at 10 Nov 2015 11.07am Quote Superfly at 10 Nov 2015 11.00am I can't believe the winging on this site at times. Boo hoo hoo - I got told off for linking being black with being a cnt! TUX would you have said that out loud if you were standing next to a black bloke? And Willo. Shut up. If you can't see the difference between naming a dish after the region it originated and linking violent behaviour to skin colour then words fail me. But if he HAD said it out loud standing next to a black bloke and it provoked the kind of reaction you're implying it would, wouldn't that kind of vindicate his comment? Should opinions be stifled just because someone might react with violence? That's such an odd thing to say Cucking. I was asking TUX if he would say it, knowing that it would cause offense to him* (not what the imaginary blokes reaction would be - which you seem to have assumed would be violent). The imaginary black bloke would react to being offended by an ignorant comment. The same as imaginary blokes of any colour. 1. Why do you presume he'd be offended but not ashamed?2. It was never an ignorant comment, purely an assumption based on probability. Just like my bet on Sunday re Palace v Liverpool. When something happens more often than not then the odds are in your favour are they not? This has absolutely nothing to do with my stance on any given race, purely the 'odds' based on the facts. For all the deadheads here, and that includes the mods, the clue was in the very first line of this thread.......Really brave, two of them attacking an 87 year old woman. She probably "dissed" them Hardly rocket science is it! Yes, you're right. He should be ashamed. Of course, that also means that you should be ashamed on behalf of the white race for Harold Shipman and Peter Sutcliffe and the West's and the other predominatly white British serial killers. Must be a race thing eh? Those Teddy Boys used to love a carve up with a razor blade. Bloody whites eh! I really can't be bothered with the rest of it. My main point btw was you bleating about your yellow and all the 'you can't say anything nowadays' brigade that followed. Saying something like 'typical blacks' will almost certainly get you carded. Yes that would be OK argument if 90% of street crime, which is what we are talking about, was committed by whites in line with their numbers. That is not the case. This is not about blaming all black people or expecting each individual to take responsibility or feel ashamed for someone else's actions. it is about recognising the fact that the black community has a huge problem with it's youth. Knife and drug crime has been a problem within the black community since the 50's, it is nothing new. This stuff effects us all so we are entitled to comment on it. Statistically, someone is twice as likely to be stabbed by a black person that anyone else. Talking about white serial killers in a predominantly white country is not helpful, comparable or relevant. It is just ducking the issue. This was the issue, with TUX, that I was dealing with. I wasn't ducking any issues - I was talking specifically about the stupid suggestion that an innocent black man should be ashamed on behalf of actions carried out by another member of his race. But cheers for the lecture anyway. No lecture intended Suoerfly. In fact I agree with what you say. This is a subject that we should all be concerned with but I can't feel guilty because of Hitler or Stalin so I wouldn't expect anyone else to do similar. What I would expect is for parents to act responsibly and mind their kids. Discipline begins at home. And for the record, I mostly agree with you Hrolf. There is most definitly a crime problem within the black community. Where we differ is - I don't think it's helpful emphasising (or, in the case of this specific thread, even mentioning) race. Crime is caused by circumstance and not by pigmentation. If you do that, it becomes the reason (they did it coz they're black) which then leads to the absurd assumptions that an innocent person should feel a measure of shame for someone elses actions. What circumstances are these ? I need to understand. I could give you opinions but as I've done no independant research, it would be unwise and unreliable of me to offer suggestions. But it's not because they were born black. So that rules out racism then ? How much of it do you think is a hangover from Caribbean culture ? Gang culture seems to be a problem in Jamacia for example. Did some just bring it with them or is it a question of lack of parental discipline or role models ? Maybe they are all part of the same thing. Sorry Hrolf, I really don't know. What you suggest sounds plausable but I'm not an expert & I've not looked into it & to be honest I only shoved my oar into this thread coz of the 'it's so unfair' little tantrums riled me. Jamie's hypothesis seems to correlate a little with yours (violence breeds violence and if you're knocking around with disgruntled, angry and violent peers/family members then that could seem to be the norm - or the ideal even) and it seems to make sense to me. I'm not really one for conjuring up excuses (an aspect of the left wing which doesn't sit well with me) as scum is scum. But neither am I about to tarnish a whole race either. 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And Willo. Shut up. If you can't see the difference between naming a dish after the region it originated and linking violent behaviour to skin colour then words fail me.

Hardly rocket science is it!

Yes, you're right. He should be ashamed.

I really can't be bothered with the rest of it.

My main point btw was you bleating about your yellow and all the 'you can't say anything nowadays' brigade that followed. Saying something like 'typical blacks' will almost certainly get you carded.

What circumstances are these ? I need to understand.

I could give you opinions but as I've done no independant research, it would be unwise and unreliable of me to offer suggestions. But it's not because they were born black.

So that rules out racism then ?

Sorry Hrolf, I really don't know. What you suggest sounds plausable but I'm not an expert & I've not looked into it & to be honest I only shoved my oar into this thread coz of the 'it's so unfair' little tantrums riled me.

Jamie's hypothesis seems to correlate a little with yours (violence breeds violence and if you're knocking around with disgruntled, angry and violent peers/family members then that could seem to be the norm - or the ideal even) and it seems to make sense to me.

I'm not really one for conjuring up excuses (an aspect of the left wing which doesn't sit well with me) as scum is scum. But neither am I about to tarnish a whole race either.

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But if he HAD said it out loud standing next to a black bloke and it provoked the kind of reaction you're implying it would, wouldn't that kind of vindicate his comment? Should opinions be stifled just because someone might react with violence? That's such an odd thing to say Cucking. I was asking TUX if he would say it, knowing that it would cause offense to him* (not what the imaginary blokes reaction would be - which you seem to have assumed would be violent). The imaginary black bloke would react to being offended by an ignorant comment. The same as imaginary blokes of any colour. 1. Why do you presume he'd be offended but not ashamed?2. It was never an ignorant comment, purely an assumption based on probability. Just like my bet on Sunday re Palace v Liverpool. When something happens more often than not then the odds are in your favour are they not? This has absolutely nothing to do with my stance on any given race, purely the 'odds' based on the facts. For all the deadheads here, and that includes the mods, the clue was in the very first line of this thread.......Really brave, two of them attacking an 87 year old woman. She probably "dissed" them Hardly rocket science is it! Yes, you're right. He should be ashamed. Of course, that also means that you should be ashamed on behalf of the white race for Harold Shipman and Peter Sutcliffe and the West's and the other predominatly white British serial killers. Must be a race thing eh? Those Teddy Boys used to love a carve up with a razor blade. Bloody whites eh! I really can't be bothered with the rest of it. My main point btw was you bleating about your yellow and all the 'you can't say anything nowadays' brigade that followed. Saying something like 'typical blacks' will almost certainly get you carded. Yes that would be OK argument if 90% of street crime, which is what we are talking about, was committed by whites in line with their numbers. That is not the case. This is not about blaming all black people or expecting each individual to take responsibility or feel ashamed for someone else's actions. it is about recognising the fact that the black community has a huge problem with it's youth. Knife and drug crime has been a problem within the black community since the 50's, it is nothing new. This stuff effects us all so we are entitled to comment on it. Statistically, someone is twice as likely to be stabbed by a black person that anyone else. Talking about white serial killers in a predominantly white country is not helpful, comparable or relevant. It is just ducking the issue. This was the issue, with TUX, that I was dealing with. I wasn't ducking any issues - I was talking specifically about the stupid suggestion that an innocent black man should be ashamed on behalf of actions carried out by another member of his race. But cheers for the lecture anyway. No lecture intended Suoerfly. In fact I agree with what you say. This is a subject that we should all be concerned with but I can't feel guilty because of Hitler or Stalin so I wouldn't expect anyone else to do similar. What I would expect is for parents to act responsibly and mind their kids. Discipline begins at home. And for the record, I mostly agree with you Hrolf. There is most definitly a crime problem within the black community. Where we differ is - I don't think it's helpful emphasising (or, in the case of this specific thread, even mentioning) race. Crime is caused by circumstance and not by pigmentation. If you do that, it becomes the reason (they did it coz they're black) which then leads to the absurd assumptions that an innocent person should feel a measure of shame for someone elses actions. What circumstances are these ? I need to understand. I could give you opinions but as I've done no independant research, it would be unwise and unreliable of me to offer suggestions. But it's not because they were born black. So that rules out racism then ? How much of it do you think is a hangover from Caribbean culture ? Gang culture seems to be a problem in Jamacia for example. Did some just bring it with them or is it a question of lack of parental discipline or role models ? Maybe they are all part of the same thing. Gang culture is a problem the world over, mix it with poverty, and it becomes a very serious problem. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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And Willo. Shut up. If you can't see the difference between naming a dish after the region it originated and linking violent behaviour to skin colour then words fail me.

Hardly rocket science is it!

Yes, you're right. He should be ashamed.

I really can't be bothered with the rest of it.

My main point btw was you bleating about your yellow and all the 'you can't say anything nowadays' brigade that followed. Saying something like 'typical blacks' will almost certainly get you carded.

What circumstances are these ? I need to understand.

I could give you opinions but as I've done no independant research, it would be unwise and unreliable of me to offer suggestions. But it's not because they were born black.

So that rules out racism then ?

Gang culture is a problem the world over, mix it with poverty, and it becomes a very serious problem.

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 11 Nov 2015 3.20pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 2.49pm Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 2.00pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 1.36pm Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 11.45am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 11.17am Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 11.09am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 10.53am Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 9.57am Quote -TUX- at 10 Nov 2015 6.56pm Quote Superfly at 10 Nov 2015 11.17am Quote Cucking Funt at 10 Nov 2015 11.07am Quote Superfly at 10 Nov 2015 11.00am I can't believe the winging on this site at times. Boo hoo hoo - I got told off for linking being black with being a cnt! TUX would you have said that out loud if you were standing next to a black bloke? And Willo. Shut up. If you can't see the difference between naming a dish after the region it originated and linking violent behaviour to skin colour then words fail me. But if he HAD said it out loud standing next to a black bloke and it provoked the kind of reaction you're implying it would, wouldn't that kind of vindicate his comment? Should opinions be stifled just because someone might react with violence? That's such an odd thing to say Cucking. I was asking TUX if he would say it, knowing that it would cause offense to him* (not what the imaginary blokes reaction would be - which you seem to have assumed would be violent). The imaginary black bloke would react to being offended by an ignorant comment. The same as imaginary blokes of any colour. 1. Why do you presume he'd be offended but not ashamed?2. It was never an ignorant comment, purely an assumption based on probability. Just like my bet on Sunday re Palace v Liverpool. When something happens more often than not then the odds are in your favour are they not? This has absolutely nothing to do with my stance on any given race, purely the 'odds' based on the facts. For all the deadheads here, and that includes the mods, the clue was in the very first line of this thread.......Really brave, two of them attacking an 87 year old woman. She probably "dissed" them Hardly rocket science is it! Yes, you're right. He should be ashamed. Of course, that also means that you should be ashamed on behalf of the white race for Harold Shipman and Peter Sutcliffe and the West's and the other predominatly white British serial killers. Must be a race thing eh? Those Teddy Boys used to love a carve up with a razor blade. Bloody whites eh! I really can't be bothered with the rest of it. My main point btw was you bleating about your yellow and all the 'you can't say anything nowadays' brigade that followed. Saying something like 'typical blacks' will almost certainly get you carded. Yes that would be OK argument if 90% of street crime, which is what we are talking about, was committed by whites in line with their numbers. That is not the case. This is not about blaming all black people or expecting each individual to take responsibility or feel ashamed for someone else's actions. it is about recognising the fact that the black community has a huge problem with it's youth. Knife and drug crime has been a problem within the black community since the 50's, it is nothing new. This stuff effects us all so we are entitled to comment on it. Statistically, someone is twice as likely to be stabbed by a black person that anyone else. Talking about white serial killers in a predominantly white country is not helpful, comparable or relevant. It is just ducking the issue. This was the issue, with TUX, that I was dealing with. I wasn't ducking any issues - I was talking specifically about the stupid suggestion that an innocent black man should be ashamed on behalf of actions carried out by another member of his race. But cheers for the lecture anyway. No lecture intended Suoerfly. In fact I agree with what you say. This is a subject that we should all be concerned with but I can't feel guilty because of Hitler or Stalin so I wouldn't expect anyone else to do similar. What I would expect is for parents to act responsibly and mind their kids. Discipline begins at home. And for the record, I mostly agree with you Hrolf. There is most definitly a crime problem within the black community. Where we differ is - I don't think it's helpful emphasising (or, in the case of this specific thread, even mentioning) race. Crime is caused by circumstance and not by pigmentation. If you do that, it becomes the reason (they did it coz they're black) which then leads to the absurd assumptions that an innocent person should feel a measure of shame for someone elses actions. What circumstances are these ? I need to understand. I could give you opinions but as I've done no independant research, it would be unwise and unreliable of me to offer suggestions. But it's not because they were born black. So that rules out racism then ? How much of it do you think is a hangover from Caribbean culture ? Gang culture seems to be a problem in Jamacia for example. Did some just bring it with them or is it a question of lack of parental discipline or role models ? Maybe they are all part of the same thing. Gang culture is a problem the world over, mix it with poverty, and it becomes a very serious problem. No doubt, but we are trying to understand why street crime is so disproportionate. It is a tough question but there must solid reasons.
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And Willo. Shut up. If you can't see the difference between naming a dish after the region it originated and linking violent behaviour to skin colour then words fail me.

Hardly rocket science is it!

Yes, you're right. He should be ashamed.

I really can't be bothered with the rest of it.

My main point btw was you bleating about your yellow and all the 'you can't say anything nowadays' brigade that followed. Saying something like 'typical blacks' will almost certainly get you carded.

What circumstances are these ? I need to understand.

I could give you opinions but as I've done no independant research, it would be unwise and unreliable of me to offer suggestions. But it's not because they were born black.

So that rules out racism then ?

Gang culture is a problem the world over, mix it with poverty, and it becomes a very serious problem.

No doubt, but we are trying to understand why street crime is so disproportionate. It is a tough question but there must solid reasons.

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 3.28pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 11 Nov 2015 3.20pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 2.49pm Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 2.00pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 1.36pm Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 11.45am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 11.17am Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 11.09am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 10.53am Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 9.57am Quote -TUX- at 10 Nov 2015 6.56pm Quote Superfly at 10 Nov 2015 11.17am Quote Cucking Funt at 10 Nov 2015 11.07am Quote Superfly at 10 Nov 2015 11.00am I can't believe the winging on this site at times. Boo hoo hoo - I got told off for linking being black with being a cnt! TUX would you have said that out loud if you were standing next to a black bloke? And Willo. Shut up. If you can't see the difference between naming a dish after the region it originated and linking violent behaviour to skin colour then words fail me. But if he HAD said it out loud standing next to a black bloke and it provoked the kind of reaction you're implying it would, wouldn't that kind of vindicate his comment? Should opinions be stifled just because someone might react with violence? That's such an odd thing to say Cucking. I was asking TUX if he would say it, knowing that it would cause offense to him* (not what the imaginary blokes reaction would be - which you seem to have assumed would be violent). The imaginary black bloke would react to being offended by an ignorant comment. The same as imaginary blokes of any colour. 1. Why do you presume he'd be offended but not ashamed?2. It was never an ignorant comment, purely an assumption based on probability. Just like my bet on Sunday re Palace v Liverpool. When something happens more often than not then the odds are in your favour are they not? This has absolutely nothing to do with my stance on any given race, purely the 'odds' based on the facts. For all the deadheads here, and that includes the mods, the clue was in the very first line of this thread.......Really brave, two of them attacking an 87 year old woman. She probably "dissed" them Hardly rocket science is it! Yes, you're right. He should be ashamed. Of course, that also means that you should be ashamed on behalf of the white race for Harold Shipman and Peter Sutcliffe and the West's and the other predominatly white British serial killers. Must be a race thing eh? Those Teddy Boys used to love a carve up with a razor blade. Bloody whites eh! I really can't be bothered with the rest of it. My main point btw was you bleating about your yellow and all the 'you can't say anything nowadays' brigade that followed. Saying something like 'typical blacks' will almost certainly get you carded. Yes that would be OK argument if 90% of street crime, which is what we are talking about, was committed by whites in line with their numbers. That is not the case. This is not about blaming all black people or expecting each individual to take responsibility or feel ashamed for someone else's actions. it is about recognising the fact that the black community has a huge problem with it's youth. Knife and drug crime has been a problem within the black community since the 50's, it is nothing new. This stuff effects us all so we are entitled to comment on it. Statistically, someone is twice as likely to be stabbed by a black person that anyone else. Talking about white serial killers in a predominantly white country is not helpful, comparable or relevant. It is just ducking the issue. This was the issue, with TUX, that I was dealing with. I wasn't ducking any issues - I was talking specifically about the stupid suggestion that an innocent black man should be ashamed on behalf of actions carried out by another member of his race. But cheers for the lecture anyway. No lecture intended Suoerfly. In fact I agree with what you say. This is a subject that we should all be concerned with but I can't feel guilty because of Hitler or Stalin so I wouldn't expect anyone else to do similar. What I would expect is for parents to act responsibly and mind their kids. Discipline begins at home. And for the record, I mostly agree with you Hrolf. There is most definitly a crime problem within the black community. Where we differ is - I don't think it's helpful emphasising (or, in the case of this specific thread, even mentioning) race. Crime is caused by circumstance and not by pigmentation. If you do that, it becomes the reason (they did it coz they're black) which then leads to the absurd assumptions that an innocent person should feel a measure of shame for someone elses actions. What circumstances are these ? I need to understand. I could give you opinions but as I've done no independant research, it would be unwise and unreliable of me to offer suggestions. But it's not because they were born black. So that rules out racism then ? How much of it do you think is a hangover from Caribbean culture ? Gang culture seems to be a problem in Jamacia for example. Did some just bring it with them or is it a question of lack of parental discipline or role models ? Maybe they are all part of the same thing. Gang culture is a problem the world over, mix it with poverty, and it becomes a very serious problem. No doubt, but we are trying to understand why street crime is so disproportionate. It is a tough question but there must solid reasons. Would have to have an in-depth analysis of what some of the Carribbean community experienced in Britain after Windrush arrived and the effects on the mindset on some of their offspring and subsequent generations. How did some become so brutal when their grandparents were not, I mean? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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And Willo. Shut up. If you can't see the difference between naming a dish after the region it originated and linking violent behaviour to skin colour then words fail me.

Hardly rocket science is it!

Yes, you're right. He should be ashamed.

I really can't be bothered with the rest of it.

My main point btw was you bleating about your yellow and all the 'you can't say anything nowadays' brigade that followed. Saying something like 'typical blacks' will almost certainly get you carded.

What circumstances are these ? I need to understand.

I could give you opinions but as I've done no independant research, it would be unwise and unreliable of me to offer suggestions. But it's not because they were born black.

So that rules out racism then ?

Gang culture is a problem the world over, mix it with poverty, and it becomes a very serious problem.

No doubt, but we are trying to understand why street crime is so disproportionate. It is a tough question but there must solid reasons.

Would have to have an in-depth analysis of what some of the Carribbean community experienced in Britain after Windrush arrived and the effects on the mindset on some of their offspring and subsequent generations. How did some become so brutal when their grandparents were not, I mean?

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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Nov 15 4.24pm
Quote Kermit8 at 11 Nov 2015 4.16pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 3.28pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 11 Nov 2015 3.20pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 2.49pm Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 2.00pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 1.36pm Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 11.45am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 11.17am Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 11.09am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 10.53am Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 9.57am Quote -TUX- at 10 Nov 2015 6.56pm Quote Superfly at 10 Nov 2015 11.17am Quote Cucking Funt at 10 Nov 2015 11.07am Quote Superfly at 10 Nov 2015 11.00am I can't believe the winging on this site at times. Boo hoo hoo - I got told off for linking being black with being a cnt! TUX would you have said that out loud if you were standing next to a black bloke? And Willo. Shut up. If you can't see the difference between naming a dish after the region it originated and linking violent behaviour to skin colour then words fail me. But if he HAD said it out loud standing next to a black bloke and it provoked the kind of reaction you're implying it would, wouldn't that kind of vindicate his comment? Should opinions be stifled just because someone might react with violence? That's such an odd thing to say Cucking. I was asking TUX if he would say it, knowing that it would cause offense to him* (not what the imaginary blokes reaction would be - which you seem to have assumed would be violent). The imaginary black bloke would react to being offended by an ignorant comment. The same as imaginary blokes of any colour. 1. Why do you presume he'd be offended but not ashamed?2. It was never an ignorant comment, purely an assumption based on probability. Just like my bet on Sunday re Palace v Liverpool. When something happens more often than not then the odds are in your favour are they not? This has absolutely nothing to do with my stance on any given race, purely the 'odds' based on the facts. For all the deadheads here, and that includes the mods, the clue was in the very first line of this thread.......Really brave, two of them attacking an 87 year old woman. She probably "dissed" them Hardly rocket science is it! Yes, you're right. He should be ashamed. Of course, that also means that you should be ashamed on behalf of the white race for Harold Shipman and Peter Sutcliffe and the West's and the other predominatly white British serial killers. Must be a race thing eh? Those Teddy Boys used to love a carve up with a razor blade. Bloody whites eh! I really can't be bothered with the rest of it. My main point btw was you bleating about your yellow and all the 'you can't say anything nowadays' brigade that followed. Saying something like 'typical blacks' will almost certainly get you carded. Yes that would be OK argument if 90% of street crime, which is what we are talking about, was committed by whites in line with their numbers. That is not the case. This is not about blaming all black people or expecting each individual to take responsibility or feel ashamed for someone else's actions. it is about recognising the fact that the black community has a huge problem with it's youth. Knife and drug crime has been a problem within the black community since the 50's, it is nothing new. This stuff effects us all so we are entitled to comment on it. Statistically, someone is twice as likely to be stabbed by a black person that anyone else. Talking about white serial killers in a predominantly white country is not helpful, comparable or relevant. It is just ducking the issue. This was the issue, with TUX, that I was dealing with. I wasn't ducking any issues - I was talking specifically about the stupid suggestion that an innocent black man should be ashamed on behalf of actions carried out by another member of his race. But cheers for the lecture anyway. No lecture intended Suoerfly. In fact I agree with what you say. This is a subject that we should all be concerned with but I can't feel guilty because of Hitler or Stalin so I wouldn't expect anyone else to do similar. What I would expect is for parents to act responsibly and mind their kids. Discipline begins at home. And for the record, I mostly agree with you Hrolf. There is most definitly a crime problem within the black community. Where we differ is - I don't think it's helpful emphasising (or, in the case of this specific thread, even mentioning) race. Crime is caused by circumstance and not by pigmentation. If you do that, it becomes the reason (they did it coz they're black) which then leads to the absurd assumptions that an innocent person should feel a measure of shame for someone elses actions. What circumstances are these ? I need to understand. I could give you opinions but as I've done no independant research, it would be unwise and unreliable of me to offer suggestions. But it's not because they were born black. So that rules out racism then ? How much of it do you think is a hangover from Caribbean culture ? Gang culture seems to be a problem in Jamacia for example. Did some just bring it with them or is it a question of lack of parental discipline or role models ? Maybe they are all part of the same thing. Gang culture is a problem the world over, mix it with poverty, and it becomes a very serious problem. No doubt, but we are trying to understand why street crime is so disproportionate. It is a tough question but there must solid reasons. Would have to have an in-depth analysis of what some of the Carribbean community experienced in Britain after Windrush arrived and the effects on the mindset on some of their offspring and subsequent generations. How did some become so brutal when their grandparents were not, I mean? Is this where you blame the evil white man for all of it ?
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And Willo. Shut up. If you can't see the difference between naming a dish after the region it originated and linking violent behaviour to skin colour then words fail me.

Hardly rocket science is it!

Yes, you're right. He should be ashamed.

I really can't be bothered with the rest of it.

My main point btw was you bleating about your yellow and all the 'you can't say anything nowadays' brigade that followed. Saying something like 'typical blacks' will almost certainly get you carded.

What circumstances are these ? I need to understand.

I could give you opinions but as I've done no independant research, it would be unwise and unreliable of me to offer suggestions. But it's not because they were born black.

So that rules out racism then ?

Gang culture is a problem the world over, mix it with poverty, and it becomes a very serious problem.

No doubt, but we are trying to understand why street crime is so disproportionate. It is a tough question but there must solid reasons.

Is this where you blame the evil white man for all of it ?

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 4.24pm Quote Kermit8 at 11 Nov 2015 4.16pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 3.28pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 11 Nov 2015 3.20pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 2.49pm Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 2.00pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 1.36pm Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 11.45am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 11.17am Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 11.09am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 10.53am Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 9.57am Quote -TUX- at 10 Nov 2015 6.56pm Quote Superfly at 10 Nov 2015 11.17am Quote Cucking Funt at 10 Nov 2015 11.07am Quote Superfly at 10 Nov 2015 11.00am I can't believe the winging on this site at times. Boo hoo hoo - I got told off for linking being black with being a cnt! TUX would you have said that out loud if you were standing next to a black bloke? And Willo. Shut up. If you can't see the difference between naming a dish after the region it originated and linking violent behaviour to skin colour then words fail me. But if he HAD said it out loud standing next to a black bloke and it provoked the kind of reaction you're implying it would, wouldn't that kind of vindicate his comment? Should opinions be stifled just because someone might react with violence? That's such an odd thing to say Cucking. I was asking TUX if he would say it, knowing that it would cause offense to him* (not what the imaginary blokes reaction would be - which you seem to have assumed would be violent). The imaginary black bloke would react to being offended by an ignorant comment. The same as imaginary blokes of any colour. 1. Why do you presume he'd be offended but not ashamed?2. It was never an ignorant comment, purely an assumption based on probability. Just like my bet on Sunday re Palace v Liverpool. When something happens more often than not then the odds are in your favour are they not? This has absolutely nothing to do with my stance on any given race, purely the 'odds' based on the facts. For all the deadheads here, and that includes the mods, the clue was in the very first line of this thread.......Really brave, two of them attacking an 87 year old woman. She probably "dissed" them Hardly rocket science is it! Yes, you're right. He should be ashamed. Of course, that also means that you should be ashamed on behalf of the white race for Harold Shipman and Peter Sutcliffe and the West's and the other predominatly white British serial killers. Must be a race thing eh? Those Teddy Boys used to love a carve up with a razor blade. Bloody whites eh! I really can't be bothered with the rest of it. My main point btw was you bleating about your yellow and all the 'you can't say anything nowadays' brigade that followed. Saying something like 'typical blacks' will almost certainly get you carded. Yes that would be OK argument if 90% of street crime, which is what we are talking about, was committed by whites in line with their numbers. That is not the case. This is not about blaming all black people or expecting each individual to take responsibility or feel ashamed for someone else's actions. it is about recognising the fact that the black community has a huge problem with it's youth. Knife and drug crime has been a problem within the black community since the 50's, it is nothing new. This stuff effects us all so we are entitled to comment on it. Statistically, someone is twice as likely to be stabbed by a black person that anyone else. Talking about white serial killers in a predominantly white country is not helpful, comparable or relevant. It is just ducking the issue. This was the issue, with TUX, that I was dealing with. I wasn't ducking any issues - I was talking specifically about the stupid suggestion that an innocent black man should be ashamed on behalf of actions carried out by another member of his race. But cheers for the lecture anyway. No lecture intended Suoerfly. In fact I agree with what you say. This is a subject that we should all be concerned with but I can't feel guilty because of Hitler or Stalin so I wouldn't expect anyone else to do similar. What I would expect is for parents to act responsibly and mind their kids. Discipline begins at home. And for the record, I mostly agree with you Hrolf. There is most definitly a crime problem within the black community. Where we differ is - I don't think it's helpful emphasising (or, in the case of this specific thread, even mentioning) race. Crime is caused by circumstance and not by pigmentation. If you do that, it becomes the reason (they did it coz they're black) which then leads to the absurd assumptions that an innocent person should feel a measure of shame for someone elses actions. What circumstances are these ? I need to understand. I could give you opinions but as I've done no independant research, it would be unwise and unreliable of me to offer suggestions. But it's not because they were born black. So that rules out racism then ? How much of it do you think is a hangover from Caribbean culture ? Gang culture seems to be a problem in Jamacia for example. Did some just bring it with them or is it a question of lack of parental discipline or role models ? Maybe they are all part of the same thing. Gang culture is a problem the world over, mix it with poverty, and it becomes a very serious problem. No doubt, but we are trying to understand why street crime is so disproportionate. It is a tough question but there must solid reasons. Would have to have an in-depth analysis of what some of the Carribbean community experienced in Britain after Windrush arrived and the effects on the mindset on some of their offspring and subsequent generations. How did some become so brutal when their grandparents were not, I mean? Is this where you blame the evil white man for all of it ? Well comments like this really help don't they. You attempt to control and dictate the discussion when you say silly things like that. He gave you a serious answer. Edited by bilbo (11 Nov 2015 4.34pm)
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And Willo. Shut up. If you can't see the difference between naming a dish after the region it originated and linking violent behaviour to skin colour then words fail me.

Hardly rocket science is it!

Yes, you're right. He should be ashamed.

I really can't be bothered with the rest of it.

My main point btw was you bleating about your yellow and all the 'you can't say anything nowadays' brigade that followed. Saying something like 'typical blacks' will almost certainly get you carded.

What circumstances are these ? I need to understand.

I could give you opinions but as I've done no independant research, it would be unwise and unreliable of me to offer suggestions. But it's not because they were born black.

So that rules out racism then ?

Gang culture is a problem the world over, mix it with poverty, and it becomes a very serious problem.

No doubt, but we are trying to understand why street crime is so disproportionate. It is a tough question but there must solid reasons.

Is this where you blame the evil white man for all of it ?

Well comments like this really help don't they. You attempt to control and dictate the discussion when you say silly things like that. He gave you a serious answer.

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Quote bilbo at 11 Nov 2015 4.31pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 4.24pm Quote Kermit8 at 11 Nov 2015 4.16pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 3.28pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 11 Nov 2015 3.20pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 2.49pm Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 2.00pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 1.36pm Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 11.45am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 11.17am Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 11.09am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Nov 2015 10.53am Quote Superfly at 11 Nov 2015 9.57am Quote -TUX- at 10 Nov 2015 6.56pm Quote Superfly at 10 Nov 2015 11.17am Quote Cucking Funt at 10 Nov 2015 11.07am Quote Superfly at 10 Nov 2015 11.00am I can't believe the winging on this site at times. Boo hoo hoo - I got told off for linking being black with being a cnt! TUX would you have said that out loud if you were standing next to a black bloke? And Willo. Shut up. If you can't see the difference between naming a dish after the region it originated and linking violent behaviour to skin colour then words fail me. But if he HAD said it out loud standing next to a black bloke and it provoked the kind of reaction you're implying it would, wouldn't that kind of vindicate his comment? Should opinions be stifled just because someone might react with violence? That's such an odd thing to say Cucking. I was asking TUX if he would say it, knowing that it would cause offense to him* (not what the imaginary blokes reaction would be - which you seem to have assumed would be violent). The imaginary black bloke would react to being offended by an ignorant comment. The same as imaginary blokes of any colour. 1. Why do you presume he'd be offended but not ashamed?2. It was never an ignorant comment, purely an assumption based on probability. Just like my bet on Sunday re Palace v Liverpool. When something happens more often than not then the odds are in your favour are they not? This has absolutely nothing to do with my stance on any given race, purely the 'odds' based on the facts. For all the deadheads here, and that includes the mods, the clue was in the very first line of this thread.......Really brave, two of them attacking an 87 year old woman. She probably "dissed" them Hardly rocket science is it! Yes, you're right. He should be ashamed. Of course, that also means that you should be ashamed on behalf of the white race for Harold Shipman and Peter Sutcliffe and the West's and the other predominatly white British serial killers. Must be a race thing eh? Those Teddy Boys used to love a carve up with a razor blade. Bloody whites eh! I really can't be bothered with the rest of it. My main point btw was you bleating about your yellow and all the 'you can't say anything nowadays' brigade that followed. Saying something like 'typical blacks' will almost certainly get you carded. Yes that would be OK argument if 90% of street crime, which is what we are talking about, was committed by whites in line with their numbers. That is not the case. This is not about blaming all black people or expecting each individual to take responsibility or feel ashamed for someone else's actions. it is about recognising the fact that the black community has a huge problem with it's youth. Knife and drug crime has been a problem within the black community since the 50's, it is nothing new. This stuff effects us all so we are entitled to comment on it. Statistically, someone is twice as likely to be stabbed by a black person that anyone else. Talking about white serial killers in a predominantly white country is not helpful, comparable or relevant. It is just ducking the issue. This was the issue, with TUX, that I was dealing with. I wasn't ducking any issues - I was talking specifically about the stupid suggestion that an innocent black man should be ashamed on behalf of actions carried out by another member of his race. But cheers for the lecture anyway. No lecture intended Suoerfly. In fact I agree with what you say. This is a subject that we should all be concerned with but I can't feel guilty because of Hitler or Stalin so I wouldn't expect anyone else to do similar. What I would expect is for parents to act responsibly and mind their kids. Discipline begins at home. And for the record, I mostly agree with you Hrolf. There is most definitly a crime problem within the black community. Where we differ is - I don't think it's helpful emphasising (or, in the case of this specific thread, even mentioning) race. Crime is caused by circumstance and not by pigmentation. If you do that, it becomes the reason (they did it coz they're black) which then leads to the absurd assumptions that an innocent person should feel a measure of shame for someone elses actions. What circumstances are these ? I need to understand. I could give you opinions but as I've done no independant research, it would be unwise and unreliable of me to offer suggestions. But it's not because they were born black. So that rules out racism then ? How much of it do you think is a hangover from Caribbean culture ? Gang culture seems to be a problem in Jamacia for example. Did some just bring it with them or is it a question of lack of parental discipline or role models ? Maybe they are all part of the same thing. Gang culture is a problem the world over, mix it with poverty, and it becomes a very serious problem. No doubt, but we are trying to understand why street crime is so disproportionate. It is a tough question but there must solid reasons. Would have to have an in-depth analysis of what some of the Carribbean community experienced in Britain after Windrush arrived and the effects on the mindset on some of their offspring and subsequent generations. How did some become so brutal when their grandparents were not, I mean? Is this where you blame the evil white man for all of it ? Well comments like this really help don't they. You attempt to control and dictate the discussion when you say silly things like that. He gave you a serious answer. Edited by bilbo (11 Nov 2015 4.34pm) This is Kermit we are talking about. I was doing my best to read between the lines. Are you his dad ?
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And Willo. Shut up. If you can't see the difference between naming a dish after the region it originated and linking violent behaviour to skin colour then words fail me.

Hardly rocket science is it!

Yes, you're right. He should be ashamed.

I really can't be bothered with the rest of it.

My main point btw was you bleating about your yellow and all the 'you can't say anything nowadays' brigade that followed. Saying something like 'typical blacks' will almost certainly get you carded.

What circumstances are these ? I need to understand.

I could give you opinions but as I've done no independant research, it would be unwise and unreliable of me to offer suggestions. But it's not because they were born black.

So that rules out racism then ?

Gang culture is a problem the world over, mix it with poverty, and it becomes a very serious problem.

No doubt, but we are trying to understand why street crime is so disproportionate. It is a tough question but there must solid reasons.

Is this where you blame the evil white man for all of it ?

Well comments like this really help don't they. You attempt to control and dictate the discussion when you say silly things like that. He gave you a serious answer.

Edited by bilbo (11 Nov 2015 4.34pm)

This is Kermit we are talking about. I was doing my best to read between the lines. Are you his dad ?

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Unless they are sociopathic from day one vicious people aren't born brutal. They become warped. How? Edited by Kermit8 (11 Nov 2015 5.19pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Unless they are sociopathic from day one vicious people aren't born brutal. They become warped. How?

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Quote Kermit8 at 11 Nov 2015 5.18pm Unless they are sociopathic from day one vicious people aren't born brutal. They become warped. How? Edited by Kermit8 (11 Nov 2015 5.19pm) 'they f* you up, you're mum n dad etc...' Larkin. several generations of pond scum & it'll get worse. (before people get aggitated, its across the f*ing board) Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents? Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.
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Quote Kermit8 at 11 Nov 2015 5.18pm

Unless they are sociopathic from day one vicious people aren't born brutal. They become warped. How?

Edited by Kermit8 (11 Nov 2015 5.19pm)

'they f*** you up, you're mum n dad etc...' Larkin.

several generations of pond scum & it'll get worse.

(before people get aggitated, its across the f***ing board)

Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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Quote kingdowieonthewall at 11 Nov 2015 5.37pm Quote Kermit8 at 11 Nov 2015 5.18pm Unless they are sociopathic from day one vicious people aren't born brutal. They become warped. How? Edited by Kermit8 (11 Nov 2015 5.19pm) 'they f* you up, you're mum n dad etc...' Larkin. several generations of pond scum & it'll get worse. (before people get aggitated, its across the f*ing board) Nurture or Nature. Is the correct answer. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Unless they are sociopathic from day one vicious people aren't born brutal. They become warped. How?

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'they f*** you up, you're mum n dad etc...' Larkin.

several generations of pond scum & it'll get worse.

(before people get aggitated, its across the f***ing board)

Nurture or Nature. Is the correct answer.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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