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oldcodger Flag 03 Sep 15 6.07pm Send a Private Message to oldcodger Add oldcodger as a friend

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You're very confused. First you state that those leaving Syria have less worth as people because they didn't stay and defend their country. Then completely unprompted you feel the need to tell me that "you are responsible for your children and not my children."

Either you feel responsibility towards those in your country of you don't. With your all over the shop approach I'm not sure why you'd wish to write off others who decide to put their family first and get out of a dangerous situation.

You are just inventing straw man caricatures of what I said.

For anyone wishing to go over the actual posts rather than your deliberately myopic summary they will see just how you operate.

You said what you said. If you don't want people to highlight ludicrous sweeping statements concerning the worth of whole groups of people engage your brain in future. Thanks.

 

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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 03 Sep 15 6.10pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 6.01pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 03 Sep 2015 5.55pm

Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 5.45pm

You're the one who says you doubt their worth unless they stay in Syria, not me. You're arguing with yourself you plum.

Again, you obviously don't understand an opposition argument.

People are 'born' equal in worth..

What people became as adults.....Well.....Are you arguing that someone fighting for IS is equal in worth to an NHS nurse?

I think when it comes to plums....You must be supplying a supermarket.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Sep 2015 5.56pm)

You're very confused. First you state that those leaving Syria have less worth as people because they didn't stay and defend their country. Then completely unprompted you feel the need to tell me that "you are responsible for your children and not my children."

Either you feel responsibility towards those in your country or you don't. With your all over the shop approach I'm not sure why you'd wish to write off others who decide to put their family first and get out of a dangerous situation.


Edited by oldcodger (03 Sep 2015 6.02pm)


It's a simple point, all people are born equal but as you develop into an Adult your choices will make you more or less valuable to society in general terms of course.

Also your moral compass can have a bearing about how you are perceived as an adult, therefore a religious nutter going about jihadying everyone who crosses his path, is not as "valuable" as a doctor or skilled peaceful worker.

 


"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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Stirlingsays Flag 03 Sep 15 6.14pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 6.07pm

You said what you said. If you don't want people to highlight ludicrous sweeping statements concerning the worth of whole groups of people engage your brain in future. Thanks.

I stand by everything I wrote.....Your interpretations are just pathetic deceits.

You talking about brains is akin to a retarded chimp trying to pass A level physics.


Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Sep 2015 6.16pm)

 


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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 03 Sep 15 6.16pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

I see the BBC are almost cumming in their pants over this, just watched there coverage on the news as normal it's all the nawsty wasty Torys fault.

 


"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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oldcodger Flag 03 Sep 15 6.16pm Send a Private Message to oldcodger Add oldcodger as a friend

Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 6.10pm

Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 6.01pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 03 Sep 2015 5.55pm

Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 5.45pm

You're the one who says you doubt their worth unless they stay in Syria, not me. You're arguing with yourself you plum.

Again, you obviously don't understand an opposition argument.

People are 'born' equal in worth..

What people became as adults.....Well.....Are you arguing that someone fighting for IS is equal in worth to an NHS nurse?

I think when it comes to plums....You must be supplying a supermarket.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Sep 2015 5.56pm)

You're very confused. First you state that those leaving Syria have less worth as people because they didn't stay and defend their country. Then completely unprompted you feel the need to tell me that "you are responsible for your children and not my children."

Either you feel responsibility towards those in your country or you don't. With your all over the shop approach I'm not sure why you'd wish to write off others who decide to put their family first and get out of a dangerous situation.


Edited by oldcodger (03 Sep 2015 6.02pm)


It's a simple point, all people are born equal but as you develop into an Adult your choices will make you more or less valuable to society in general terms of course.

Also your moral compass can have a bearing about how you are perceived as an adult, therefore a religious nutter going about jihadying everyone who crosses his path, is not as "valuable" as a doctor or skilled peaceful worker.


My argument is that there are no easy answers here, no firm 100% right or wrongs for Syrians in such a terrible situation. Writing off someone who actually risks their life to get out of a war zone, hoping for a better life is in my view not a sensible stance. Of course people can believe what they like though.


 

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oldcodger Flag 03 Sep 15 6.20pm Send a Private Message to oldcodger Add oldcodger as a friend

Quote Stirlingsays at 03 Sep 2015 6.14pm

Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 6.07pm

You said what you said. If you don't want people to highlight ludicrous sweeping statements concerning the worth of whole groups of people engage your brain in future. Thanks.

I stand by everything I wrote.....Your interpretations are just pathetic deceits.

You talking about brains is akin to a retarded chimp trying to pass A level physics.


Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Sep 2015 6.16pm)

Nice retard comment. Classy.

Edited by oldcodger (03 Sep 2015 6.20pm)

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 03 Sep 15 6.25pm

Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 6.20pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 03 Sep 2015 6.14pm

Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 6.07pm

You said what you said. If you don't want people to highlight ludicrous sweeping statements concerning the worth of whole groups of people engage your brain in future. Thanks.

I stand by everything I wrote.....Your interpretations are just pathetic deceits.

You talking about brains is akin to a retarded chimp trying to pass A level physics.


Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Sep 2015 6.16pm)

Nice retard comment. Classy.

Edited by oldcodger (03 Sep 2015 6.20pm)

What would you propose Oldcodger regarding the thousands of migrants turning up at our shores?

 


"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 03 Sep 15 6.37pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 6.16pm

Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 6.10pm

Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 6.01pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 03 Sep 2015 5.55pm

Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 5.45pm

You're the one who says you doubt their worth unless they stay in Syria, not me. You're arguing with yourself you plum.

Again, you obviously don't understand an opposition argument.

People are 'born' equal in worth..

What people became as adults.....Well.....Are you arguing that someone fighting for IS is equal in worth to an NHS nurse?

I think when it comes to plums....You must be supplying a supermarket.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Sep 2015 5.56pm)

You're very confused. First you state that those leaving Syria have less worth as people because they didn't stay and defend their country. Then completely unprompted you feel the need to tell me that "you are responsible for your children and not my children."

Either you feel responsibility towards those in your country or you don't. With your all over the shop approach I'm not sure why you'd wish to write off others who decide to put their family first and get out of a dangerous situation.


Edited by oldcodger (03 Sep 2015 6.02pm)


It's a simple point, all people are born equal but as you develop into an Adult your choices will make you more or less valuable to society in general terms of course.

Also your moral compass can have a bearing about how you are perceived as an adult, therefore a religious nutter going about jihadying everyone who crosses his path, is not as "valuable" as a doctor or skilled peaceful worker.


My argument is that there are no easy answers here, no firm 100% right or wrongs for Syrians in such a terrible situation. Writing off someone who actually risks their life to get out of a war zone, hoping for a better life is in my view not a sensible stance. Of course people can believe what they like though.



You see I believe there are easy answers, they may not be palatable by the yuuuman rights Brigade and those of a mung bean persuasion. However the answers are simple.

If syria is as war torn as is being made out, (it isnt by the way) then all those fleeing for their lifes should be housed in the nearest neighboring countries, we just the UK alone set up Camp Bastion in Afghan from Nothing in the middle of the Desert, it catered for 32,000 personnel, and could be renovated (or built again) for less money than the idiotic w***ers of the SNP spent on Gaelic road signs that only 1% of the people of Scotland can read. Get other NATO countries to do the same and problem solved.

The answers are simple. getting countries to work together is not.

 


"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 03 Sep 15 6.40pm

Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 6.37pm

Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 6.16pm

Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 6.10pm

Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 6.01pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 03 Sep 2015 5.55pm

Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 5.45pm

You're the one who says you doubt their worth unless they stay in Syria, not me. You're arguing with yourself you plum.

Again, you obviously don't understand an opposition argument.

People are 'born' equal in worth..

What people became as adults.....Well.....Are you arguing that someone fighting for IS is equal in worth to an NHS nurse?

I think when it comes to plums....You must be supplying a supermarket.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Sep 2015 5.56pm)

You're very confused. First you state that those leaving Syria have less worth as people because they didn't stay and defend their country. Then completely unprompted you feel the need to tell me that "you are responsible for your children and not my children."

Either you feel responsibility towards those in your country or you don't. With your all over the shop approach I'm not sure why you'd wish to write off others who decide to put their family first and get out of a dangerous situation.


Edited by oldcodger (03 Sep 2015 6.02pm)


It's a simple point, all people are born equal but as you develop into an Adult your choices will make you more or less valuable to society in general terms of course.

Also your moral compass can have a bearing about how you are perceived as an adult, therefore a religious nutter going about jihadying everyone who crosses his path, is not as "valuable" as a doctor or skilled peaceful worker.


My argument is that there are no easy answers here, no firm 100% right or wrongs for Syrians in such a terrible situation. Writing off someone who actually risks their life to get out of a war zone, hoping for a better life is in my view not a sensible stance. Of course people can believe what they like though.



You see I believe there are easy answers, they may not be palatable by the yuuuman rights Brigade and those of a mung bean persuasion. However the answers are simple.

If syria is as war torn as is being made out, (it isnt by the way) then all those fleeing for their lifes should be housed in the nearest neighboring countries, we just the UK alone set up Camp Bastion in Afghan from Nothing in the middle of the Desert, it catered for 32,000 personnel, and could be renovated (or built again) for less money than the idiotic w***ers of the SNP spent on Gaelic road signs that only 1% of the people of Scotland can read. Get other NATO countries to do the same and problem solved.

The answers are simple. getting countries to work together is not.

Spot on

 


"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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oldcodger Flag 03 Sep 15 6.43pm Send a Private Message to oldcodger Add oldcodger as a friend

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 03 Sep 2015 6.25pm

Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 6.20pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 03 Sep 2015 6.14pm

Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 6.07pm

You said what you said. If you don't want people to highlight ludicrous sweeping statements concerning the worth of whole groups of people engage your brain in future. Thanks.

I stand by everything I wrote.....Your interpretations are just pathetic deceits.

You talking about brains is akin to a retarded chimp trying to pass A level physics.


Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Sep 2015 6.16pm)

Nice retard comment. Classy.

Edited by oldcodger (03 Sep 2015 6.20pm)

What would you propose Oldcodger regarding the thousands of migrants turning up at our shores?

That's for our government to decide and something that, no matter our stance, we will observe rather than participate in. What I think will happen is that there will eventually be a broader agreement across Europe to take in a certain amount per country. Possibly this will ramp up the need for a stronger push against ISIS too. How any of this will pan out who knows. Whatever happens, or doesn't, is going to disadvantage someone, of course.

My primary point was though, that I don't blame people for wanting to get out and I think to an extent that there is bravery involved whether they stay or go. I certainly don't buy into this outlook that these refugees are lesser for leaving or only looking for a meal ticket.

 

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Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 6.20pm

Nice retard comment. Classy.

Edited by oldcodger (03 Sep 2015 6.20pm)

I don't lie about people's arguments....That's your kind of classy.

 


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Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 6.10pm

Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 6.01pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 03 Sep 2015 5.55pm

Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 5.45pm

You're the one who says you doubt their worth unless they stay in Syria, not me. You're arguing with yourself you plum.

Again, you obviously don't understand an opposition argument.

People are 'born' equal in worth..

What people became as adults.....Well.....Are you arguing that someone fighting for IS is equal in worth to an NHS nurse?

I think when it comes to plums....You must be supplying a supermarket.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Sep 2015 5.56pm)

You're very confused. First you state that those leaving Syria have less worth as people because they didn't stay and defend their country. Then completely unprompted you feel the need to tell me that "you are responsible for your children and not my children."

Either you feel responsibility towards those in your country or you don't. With your all over the shop approach I'm not sure why you'd wish to write off others who decide to put their family first and get out of a dangerous situation.


Edited by oldcodger (03 Sep 2015 6.02pm)


It's a simple point, all people are born equal but as you develop into an Adult your choices will make you more or less valuable to society in general terms of course.

Also your moral compass can have a bearing about how you are perceived as an adult, therefore a religious nutter going about jihadying everyone who crosses his path, is not as "valuable" as a doctor or skilled peaceful worker.

Oh dear.


 


Time to move forward together.

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