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Neilsym26 Bromley 06 Oct 20 11.20am | |
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As a lot of fans have said, Roy doesn't have a plan B. I personally don't think players like Jimmy Mac and Luka are defensive Midfielders!! More box to box....Luka sits so far back that he's getting caught out and his mistakes are more obvious!! They all have more than a couple of goals a season in them, they've proved that. But just like our forwards (Benteke scoring 17) the way Roy sets up, they aren't scoring. Players out of position might work for a couple of games, Man Utd etc but ultimately will start to struggle when things don't go to plan. I think Simon Jordan is bang on here!! The former Eagles chairman, defended Zaha on talkSPORT, insisting the 27-year-old had no opportunity to thrive due to the way Roy Hodgson set his side up against the Blues.Chelsea for the first 28 minutes of that game had 82 per cent possession, ”Quite frankly, if I’m Wilfried Zaha, I’ll be going: ‘Roy, why are we set up this way? How am I supposed to play? Why am I even playing? Ultimately I can’t even get near it because of the way we’re set up and the way we’re playing’. Edited by Neilsym26 (06 Oct 2020 11.27am)
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 06 Oct 20 12.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid
On Saturday we had four attacking players on the pitch and none of them performed. I thought all four were poor. Not down to tactics - none of them did anything with the ball and surrendered it far too easily
Whilst Roy will continue to base his systems around a sound defence (which we will have when our first choice back 4 are available - we don't have one of them in place at present except perhaps Ward because we haven't seen Ferguson yet to assess how good he actually is) the systems used in pre-season and against our first three league opponents saw us with more attacking intent than we saw last season. We were very good under Roy in the 2018/19 season away from home scoring 3 or more goals in no fewer than SIX games and Batshuayi was on loan with us for FIVE of those games and scored in three of them. Let's give Roy and the squad time to settle down and stop making judgments after a single poor performance.
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taylors lovechild 06 Oct 20 1.36pm | |
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Originally posted by doombear
Spot on Rachid. Roy was clearly annoyed after the game because the team hadn't played the way he wanted them to. Whilst Roy will continue to base his systems around a sound defence (which we will have when our first choice back 4 are available - we don't have one of them in place at present except perhaps Ward because we haven't seen Ferguson yet to assess how good he actually is) the systems used in pre-season and against our first three league opponents saw us with more attacking intent than we saw last season. We were very good under Roy in the 2018/19 season away from home scoring 3 or more goals in no fewer than SIX games and Batshuayi was on loan with us for FIVE of those games and scored in three of them. Let's give Roy and the squad time to settle down and stop making judgments after a single poor performance. Yep, I concur with that.
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BlueJay UK 06 Oct 20 6.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
surviving is not living Rome wasn't built in a day, and remaining in the PL is no easy task. He has to be given credit for keeping us in the mix. Granted he's not the most creative or experimental of managers by a long stretch and it will eventually be time to move on, but I for one don't view him in a wholly negative light.
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Ali_Campbell New Addington 06 Oct 20 7.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Neilsym26
I think Simon Jordan is bang on here!! The former Eagles chairman, defended Zaha on talkSPORT, insisting the 27-year-old had no opportunity to thrive due to the way Roy Hodgson set his side up against the Blues.Chelsea for the first 28 minutes of that game had 82 per cent possession, ”Quite frankly, if I’m Wilfried Zaha, I’ll be going: ‘Roy, why are we set up this way? How am I supposed to play? Why am I even playing? Ultimately I can’t even get near it because of the way we’re set up and the way we’re playing’. Edited by Neilsym26 (06 Oct 2020 11.27am)
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Rachid Rachid Rachid 06 Oct 20 7.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Have you considered that this is because we have wingers playing at centre forward. I don't think that's entirely true particularly in Ayew's case besides which any wide player would generally be expected to hit the far post when the ball is crossed from the opposite side. Nobody was complaining about the front pairing after the first two games.
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 06 Oct 20 7.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
If in doubt, plunge into the offensive word pool. Most of you on here can’t debate. If someone doesn’t like your way of thinking you turn to personal abuse. Ok, hands up, that was a rant from me. But the 'Roy out' brigade are just exasperating. Every time we lose, the same hackneyed phrases are touted. "No plan b", "won't use players with flair", "Always plays his favorites", "Dinosaur", "Football has moved on" etc.&etc. Hardly any of these posters are around when we win. They never give credit for finishing mid table. It's just they don't like the style of football. Well, to be fair, nor do I mostly. But if you want to debate it, then bring something to the table. Bielsa and Santo or not available, so not worth a mention. Dyche has been mentioned I believe, but that's a 'like for like substitution' (see what I did there?), as has Howe, who got relegated recently. I'll debate if you have a suggestion as to how we move to a different phase.
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Tickled pink Cornwall 06 Oct 20 8.47pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
I agree with what you say but I do consider us one dimensional in our play. Roy in my opinion is the best defensive coach in the league however this comes at the expense of our forward play. How many times have we seen matches start brightly and then before long we are defending deeper and deeper until the only offensive option we have left is the counter attack, which is normally nipped in the bud by a niggly professional foul. Once we drop off into this defensive mindset we struggle to get out of it. Chelsea played well the other day but they knew exactly what we were going to do and were prepared to stifle it. Roy has done well but until he has a noticeable plan b or plan c that he is willing to back with a swift change of personnel and set up, I believe we will continue to see the same pattern of play and more particularly against the teams that dominate possession. We have issues I agree with holding the ball up and bringing the team together long enough to put teams under enough pressure to cause the sort of mistakes Chelsea capitalised on against us and have for far too long relied on Zaha to do something to create, so far this season Ayew looks a little bit lost which is a big worry because he was pivotal with many of our successes last season, I do feel though that when PVA, Schlupp, and Cahill are back and involved our attacking will improve, having said that Mitchell has really been a huge plus and it would be sad for him not to continue improving on the pitch, Sakho is a worry and I know he's come back from injury and still a bit rusty, but ...fuck me Mr Hodgson is doing a very decent job in keeping our club safe in this league which is what we need in order to attract a very decent manager to take over from him when the time happens and hopefully he'll play the sort of football we all crave, meanwhile I just hope our attacking play improves enough to keep you lot quiet lol
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MonsterMunch Cambridge 06 Oct 20 8.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Ok, hands up, that was a rant from me. But the 'Roy out' brigade are just exasperating. Every time we lose, the same hackneyed phrases are touted. "No plan b", "won't use players with flair", "Always plays his favorites", "Dinosaur", "Football has moved on" etc.&etc. Hardly any of these posters are around when we win. They never give credit for finishing mid table. It's just they don't like the style of football. Well, to be fair, nor do I mostly. But if you want to debate it, then bring something to the table. Bielsa and Santo or not available, so not worth a mention. Dyche has been mentioned I believe, but that's a 'like for like substitution' (see what I did there?), as has Howe, who got relegated recently. I'll debate if you have a suggestion as to how we move to a different phase. Well last season we won 11 out of 38.. so its probably more the case we had little opportunity
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Tickled pink Cornwall 06 Oct 20 9.18pm | |
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Originally posted by doombear
Whilst Roy will continue to base his systems around a sound defence (which we will have when our first choice back 4 are available - we don't have one of them in place at present except perhaps Ward because we haven't seen Ferguson yet to assess how good he actually is) the systems used in pre-season and against our first three league opponents saw us with more attacking intent than we saw last season. We were very good under Roy in the 2018/19 season away from home scoring 3 or more goals in no fewer than SIX games and Batshuayi was on loan with us for FIVE of those games and scored in three of them. Let's give Roy and the squad time to settle down and stop making judgments after a single poor performance. ..he has managed to keep and bring together a healthy string of young players for our future manager to play with when he moves on ...Eze, Riedewald, Meyer, Ferguson, Mitchell, that's quite an attractive collection to entice a good manager in.
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Tickled pink Cornwall 06 Oct 20 9.22pm | |
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Originally posted by MonsterMunch
Well last season we won 11 out of 38.. so its probably more the case we had little opportunity We flopped at the end didn't we, still eight clubs were worse then us but our ending did ruin the season somewhat unexpectedly.
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jeeagles 06 Oct 20 9.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Ok, hands up, that was a rant from me. But the 'Roy out' brigade are just exasperating. Every time we lose, the same hackneyed phrases are touted. "No plan b", "won't use players with flair", "Always plays his favorites", "Dinosaur", "Football has moved on" etc.&etc. Hardly any of these posters are around when we win. They never give credit for finishing mid table. It's just they don't like the style of football. Well, to be fair, nor do I mostly. But if you want to debate it, then bring something to the table. Bielsa and Santo or not available, so not worth a mention. Dyche has been mentioned I believe, but that's a 'like for like substitution' (see what I did there?), as has Howe, who got relegated recently. I'll debate if you have a suggestion as to how we move to a different phase. We should be finishing lower mid table. Well done Roy. You've done the minimum of what was expected of you whilst playing incredible boring football, lining your own pockets whilst emptying our as we watch the slow decline of a club that's lost all reason to be optimistic. You've worked the same miracle that Pulis, Pardew, and BFS did..... moving on. We know the 3 predicessors listed have good spells but aren't outstanding. Managers have a shelf life before they run out of ideas and grind to a hault. Credit for his first two seasons (although arguably Pardew's first two full seasons were better with a worse squad) but he can't keep hiding behind excuses for last year. I think Roy is the longest serving manager in the premiership that hasn't won a league or promotion. Hodgson own motivation seems to have dwindled over time too. Dyche I see as someone who can build long term success. Howe would be a risk but the whole squad could do with someone fresh coming in to break the lethargy and add a bit of life back into things. Like Roy and BFS, he may come here feeling he has something to prove. We'd get a couple of good seasons out of Howe and it would be worth paying/travelling to go to Selhust and watch again. Wagner is currently out of the job again. There's a long list of others the do the merry-go-round, Silva, Pearson, Houghton etc. Wouldn't want any but it would stick some life in the team. Hodgson was a long, long way down the list of prefered managers when he appointed and if we appointed a manager from scratch again, he probably still wouldn't be first choice. Apparently Parish wasnt willing to pay Dyche's release clause from Burnley at the time. Then it cost more to sack FDB. The club would be wise to be looking for a longer term replacement now, rather than have a frantic search at the end of the season. Although, if they sack Roy they could now get an age discrimination case chucked at them.
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