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 npn  Crowborough 23 Mar 17 3.46pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
By the country at a general election. But we don;'t vote for prime ministers. In ANY election. We vote for our local MP, and the party with the most MPs puts their leader forward as Prime Minister. No Prime Minister has ever (certainly in living memory) been directly elected by the populace, so it's a bit of a fake argument to try to claim any sort of undemocratic process going on.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Mar 17 3.56pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It could be, but his motives are certainly in question. I don't really see a distinction. Paisley was almost certainly involved with the UVF in the same way that Adams was with the PIRA, and was involved in the formation of a number of Paramilitary loyalist groups. I dare say his hands were no cleaner than Adams or McGuiness.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Mar 17 3.57pm |
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Originally posted by npn
But we don;'t vote for prime ministers. In ANY election. We vote for our local MP, and the party with the most MPs puts their leader forward as Prime Minister. No Prime Minister has ever (certainly in living memory) been directly elected by the populace, so it's a bit of a fake argument to try to claim any sort of undemocratic process going on. This, though I'm sure some people had different views when it was Brown for Blair.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 23 Mar 17 4.02pm |
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Originally posted by npn
But we don;'t vote for prime ministers. In ANY election. We vote for our local MP, and the party with the most MPs puts their leader forward as Prime Minister. No Prime Minister has ever (certainly in living memory) been directly elected by the populace, so it's a bit of a fake argument to try to claim any sort of undemocratic process going on. Unelected PM's usually lose the next election they are resented. Who does this person think they are? That's how the Scots see Mrs May. What you say is correct in theory. Thatcher Blair Wilson always submitted to the vote. I would not vote for a party if I did not think the leader was right myself. Look how much power that one person can grab.
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| npn Crowborough 23 Mar 17 4.07pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
This, though I'm sure some people had different views when it was Brown for Blair. I'm sure you're right, but those people would also be wrong! For what it's worth, I'm unconvinced by May, but not sure there's an alternative at the moment, but the fact remains, we are not the USA, and we don't directly elect our leader.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Mar 17 4.19pm |
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Originally posted by npn
I'm sure you're right, but those people would also be wrong! For what it's worth, I'm unconvinced by May, but not sure there's an alternative at the moment, but the fact remains, we are not the USA, and we don't directly elect our leader. Also, we now have fixed term parliaments, so the capacity to call an early election is somewhat limited. Which is a bit of a shame, because democratically I'd liked to have seen some manifestos on Brexit put to an election- possibly even the idea of a second referendum (if a party wanted to tout that).
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| legaleagle 23 Mar 17 4.21pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Terrorism apologist alert. Tunnel visioned poster alert,more like
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Mar 17 4.25pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Unelected PM's usually lose the next election they are resented. Who does this person think they are? That's how the Scots see Mrs May. What you say is correct in theory. Thatcher Blair Wilson always submitted to the vote. I would not vote for a party if I did not think the leader was right myself. Look how much power that one person can grab.
I don't think May ever really thought she was going to be Prime Minister. Even when Cameron stepped down, she wasn't in the likely suspects. I doubt the conservatives even expected the referendum would go the way it did. Did she ever really think she would be prime minister? And on current form, she's not going to lose the next election either. Short of the prime minister being a convicted child sex offender or some other total disaster over Brexit, the Conservative party are going to win the next election. Granted there is plenty of time between now and then, but Corbyn's going to have to pull something impressive out the hat to win back Scotland from the SNP, let alone win enough English Parliament seats. Best he can hope for is a hung parliament.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 23 Mar 17 4.32pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Also, we now have fixed term parliaments, so the capacity to call an early election is somewhat limited. Which is a bit of a shame, because democratically I'd liked to have seen some manifestos on Brexit put to an election- possibly even the idea of a second referendum (if a party wanted to tout that). A vote of no confidence or a 2/3 majority in the Commons are exceptions to the five year fixed term. So how does a govt. wishing to have an early election arrange it? By an enabling bill? Has me stumped so far.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 23 Mar 17 5.14pm |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Tunnel visioned poster alert,more like Coming from you. Ha ha.
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| legaleagle 23 Mar 17 5.18pm |
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Yawwwwnnnn.....zzzzzz Edited by legaleagle (23 Mar 2017 5.18pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Mar 17 5.20pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I don't really see a distinction. Paisley was almost certainly involved with the UVF in the same way that Adams was with the PIRA, and was involved in the formation of a number of Paramilitary loyalist groups. I dare say his hands were no cleaner than Adams or McGuiness. The IRA were all but neutralised and McGuinness knew that. He was given a chance to become 'respectable' and he took it. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Mar 2017 5.27pm)
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