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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Aug 15 9.31am

Quote DanH at 13 Aug 2015 9.17am

Why do we have to be loyal to the Queen?

Because otherwise the Gurkha's will get you.


 


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legaleagle Flag 13 Aug 15 9.40am

Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 8.37am

Quote legaleagle at 12 Aug 2015 7.53pm

According to militarymigrants.org:

"The British Army currently employs over 6,000 men and women from Commonwealth countries. Without the presence of these migrant soldiers, heavily recruited since a regulation change in 1998, it would not have been possible to maintain continuous deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past decade."

No reason why a fair number of "illegal migrants" once "legalised" shouldn't be in principle as capable a soldier as the above migrant soldiers.

What are the Gurkhas but economic migrants from the Indian sub-continent?


The Ghurkhas are a part of the British Military and have fought in every campaign Britain has been involved in since there inclusion in the East India Companies armed strength back in 1816 (ish).

How you can talk about the Ghurkhas in the same breath as Illegal immigrants astounds me. It's either a statement that is designed entirely to annoy those who serve, (in which case it is beyond pathetic) or just absolute blind ignorance, and stupidity. I hope the later.

Economic migrants ? ! I'd like to see you say that to a Ghurkhas face, there more loyal to the Queen and Britain than half the Corbyn lover boys on here.


I'll stand by what I say.My point was that "migrant" soldiers have long formed a part of the British Army (though I think Gurkhas were actually Indian Army until 1947,when some stayed there and some went to the British Army.

I didn't and don't suggest for a moment that the Gurkhas are anything other than great soldiers who have been of great service to this country and are very loyal.I do suggest the prime motive for so many applying for so few places to join when recruitment is carried out in Nepal is the poverty there and people (quite reasonably) seeking to improve their lot in life.If that involves doing so in another country,that's the essence of what an economic migrant is.So,if you try and stand back,you may see the only "blind" thing around here is not my supposed ignorance but your prejudice that all economic immigrants have to be viewed as a dodgy horrible hoard of no gooders and your resultant difficulty in taking on board that some people you admire are in fact economic migrants too.

And if you don't believe me, just read the words in 2004 (from the Daily Telegraph) of a young Nepalese man hoping to be successful in the "lottery" to win a place in the Gurkhas:

"Kumar Bahadur Gurung, 18, who survives on odd jobs in the capital, Kathmandu..

"Joining the Gurkhas is like winning a million-rupee lottery," he said.
"Now if I am selected, my family and I could one day settle in Britain and live comfortably. If I had the chance to be a Gurkha, I would be assured of an education, training and a salary that surpasses that of a government minister."

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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 13 Aug 15 9.56am Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Quote DanH at 13 Aug 2015 9.17am

Why do we have to be loyal to the Queen?


You don't thats your freedom of choice in action right there Dan. Freedoms that Gurkhas have fought and died for. It is my opinion that anyone who has made scarifices for the country they reside in, is more deserving than those who slagg it off on the one hand, with the other out stretched grasping for money and housing.

 


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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 13 Aug 15 10.15am Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Quote legaleagle at 13 Aug 2015 9.40am

Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 8.37am

Quote legaleagle at 12 Aug 2015 7.53pm

According to militarymigrants.org:

"The British Army currently employs over 6,000 men and women from Commonwealth countries. Without the presence of these migrant soldiers, heavily recruited since a regulation change in 1998, it would not have been possible to maintain continuous deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past decade."

No reason why a fair number of "illegal migrants" once "legalised" shouldn't be in principle as capable a soldier as the above migrant soldiers.

What are the Gurkhas but economic migrants from the Indian sub-continent?


The Ghurkhas are a part of the British Military and have fought in every campaign Britain has been involved in since there inclusion in the East India Companies armed strength back in 1816 (ish).

How you can talk about the Ghurkhas in the same breath as Illegal immigrants astounds me. It's either a statement that is designed entirely to annoy those who serve, (in which case it is beyond pathetic) or just absolute blind ignorance, and stupidity. I hope the later.

Economic migrants ? ! I'd like to see you say that to a Ghurkhas face, there more loyal to the Queen and Britain than half the Corbyn lover boys on here.


I'll stand by what I say.My point was that "migrant" soldiers have long formed a part of the British Army (though I think Gurkhas were actually Indian Army until 1947,when some stayed there and some went to the British Army.

You are still comparing british fighting soldiers to Illegal immigrants, Pathetic attempt to justify your own politics.

I didn't and don't suggest for a moment that the Gurkhas are any anything other than great soldiers who have been of great service to this country and are very loyal.I do suggest the prime motive for so many applying for so few places to join when recruitment is carried out in Nepal is the poverty there and people (quite reasonably) seeking to improve their lot in life.If that involves doing so in another country,that's the essence of what an economic migrant is.So,if you try and stand back,you may see the only "blind" thing around here is not my supposed ignorance but your prejudice that all economic immigrants have to be viewed as a dodgy horrible hoard of no gooders and your resultant difficulty in taking on board that some people you admire are in fact economic migrants too.

So now I'm predjudiced because I believe that people who fight and die for thier right to live in Britain are more deserving than those who just turn up cap in hand ? And you said I had difficulty in taking things on board, Who said the Gurkhas weren't economic migrants, I certainly didnt.

What I took offence to, was you comparing them to the people trying to gain access to Britain Illegally from what ever poverty (you claim) or opression they are facing. Funny how none of the migrants at Calais are from nepal, a country through your own admission you class as Poor etc etc. Why is that do you think ?

Read back what you have just written and tell me you arent trying to compare someone who joins the British Army and fights and dies for Britain, against someone from The African Continent (for example) who turns up primarly for free handouts (and dont tell me these people don't exist because they do.)

And if you don't believe me, just read the words in 2004 (from the Daily Telegraph) of a young Nepalese man hoping to be successful in the "lottery" to win a place in the Gurkhas:

"Kumar Bahadur Gurung, 18, who survives on odd jobs in the capital, Kathmandu..

"Joining the Gurkhas is like winning a million-rupee lottery," he said.
"Now if I am selected, my family and I could one day settle in Britain and live comfortably. If I had the chance to be a Gurkha, I would be assured of an education, training and a salary that surpasses that of a government minister."

Who said I dont belive you my whole point is that if you are prepared to literally put your life on the line for the country in which you choose to live, then that is just fine and dandy with me, no matter what colour or creed you are.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Aug 15 11.03am

I don't really have an issue with anyone who works in the UK, contributing to or for the UK abroad, after a set period of time becoming a UK citizen. That seems fair enough to me, that if you do your dues, pay in your share, that the option is open to people to become British Citizens if they so choose.

Seems to be the kind of attitude we should foster. Contribution, participation and sacrifice should be rewarded. Military or not.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Aug 15 11.07am

Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 9.56am

Quote DanH at 13 Aug 2015 9.17am

Why do we have to be loyal to the Queen?


You don't thats your freedom of choice in action right there Dan. Freedoms that Gurkhas have fought and died for. It is my opinion that anyone who has made scarifices for the country they reside in, is more deserving than those who slagg it off on the one hand, with the other out stretched grasping for money and housing.

I sacrificed a goat for the Queen, does that count

I don't think that anyone is more deserving, but that the failure to provide for some of those who have made very real sacrifices and risks of life should in return receive assurance from the state that they will never be 'left behind' (i.e without treatment, home or in poverty).

Similarly, I also believe that people who earn the George Cross should also earn an additional pension for life.


 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 11.07am

Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 9.56am

Quote DanH at 13 Aug 2015 9.17am

Why do we have to be loyal to the Queen?


You don't thats your freedom of choice in action right there Dan. Freedoms that Gurkhas have fought and died for. It is my opinion that anyone who has made scarifices for the country they reside in, is more deserving than those who slagg it off on the one hand, with the other out stretched grasping for money and housing.

I sacrificed a goat for the Queen, does that count

I don't think that anyone is more deserving, but that the failure to provide for some of those who have made very real sacrifices and risks of life should in return receive assurance from the state that they will never be 'left behind' (i.e without treatment, home or in poverty).

Similarly, I also believe that people who earn the George Cross should also earn an additional pension for life.


Go to any homless area, you will find a large proportion have served for thier country. We just dont look after "damaged vets" to be fair to the Army it has got so much better since (afghanistan) and the very real horror that is PTSD (something I did suffer from, so I know how horrendous it can be.

But I dont want to sound like I am only championing homes for heroes, but my whole point on all these topics of immigrants, housing, beneifts, bils down to the simple fact, that in my belief we should get our own house in order, before we start giving scant resources away to people that were "stable" in thier own country but just fancied a bit of what the jones's have.

I do not belive we should house one single immigrant while we have homeless children taken advantage of, ex service man sleeping in doorways, homless vulnerable adults getting beaten up for s***s and giggles, or the unfortunates who through circumstances live in a cardboard box that gets pissed on every time some piss head feels like it.

You will never irradicate the homeless problem completely, some people are just born dick heads and society is better of without them spreading their DNA about the gaff, however not nearly enough by consecutive Governments both Labour and Tory has been done to address the problem.

And yet Mr Jo Bloggs form Ghana can turn up with out a pot to piss in, and get a house car and money.

Surely even the likes of comrades Nick and Legal can see this is fundamentaly wrong and borders on positive discrimination?

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Aug 15 1.19pm

Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 12.37pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 11.07am

Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 9.56am

Quote DanH at 13 Aug 2015 9.17am

Why do we have to be loyal to the Queen?


You don't thats your freedom of choice in action right there Dan. Freedoms that Gurkhas have fought and died for. It is my opinion that anyone who has made scarifices for the country they reside in, is more deserving than those who slagg it off on the one hand, with the other out stretched grasping for money and housing.

I sacrificed a goat for the Queen, does that count

I don't think that anyone is more deserving, but that the failure to provide for some of those who have made very real sacrifices and risks of life should in return receive assurance from the state that they will never be 'left behind' (i.e without treatment, home or in poverty).

Similarly, I also believe that people who earn the George Cross should also earn an additional pension for life.


Go to any homless area, you will find a large proportion have served for thier country. We just dont look after "damaged vets" to be fair to the Army it has got so much better since (afghanistan) and the very real horror that is PTSD (something I did suffer from, so I know how horrendous it can be.

But I dont want to sound like I am only championing homes for heroes, but my whole point on all these topics of immigrants, housing, beneifts, bils down to the simple fact, that in my belief we should get our own house in order, before we start giving scant resources away to people that were "stable" in thier own country but just fancied a bit of what the jones's have.

I do not belive we should house one single immigrant while we have homeless children taken advantage of, ex service man sleeping in doorways, homless vulnerable adults getting beaten up for s***s and giggles, or the unfortunates who through circumstances live in a cardboard box that gets pissed on every time some piss head feels like it.

You will never irradicate the homeless problem completely, some people are just born dick heads and society is better of without them spreading their DNA about the gaff, however not nearly enough by consecutive Governments both Labour and Tory has been done to address the problem.

And yet Mr Jo Bloggs form Ghana can turn up with out a pot to piss in, and get a house car and money.

Surely even the likes of comrades Nick and Legal can see this is fundamentaly wrong and borders on positive discrimination?

I do generally agree with this but I would also say that 'immigration' isn't the reason that we don't do this. We as a nation don't actually care about the homeless (who disproportionately suffer from mental illness, substance abuse problems etc), and really only make token gestures with regards to their well being.

There are probably some people who are homeless because of decisions they made and poor choices, but we also make it exceptionally difficult to recover from those poor choices, decisions etc, and instead view those who are homeless as being 'their own fault' instead.

Among these people are those who have served their country, people fleeing abusive backgrounds, the mentally ill and those abandoned by their familys (kicked out). Among them are addicts, but a surprising number weren't alcoholics or drug addicts before they ended up on the streets (Its hard to blame someone who's life is reduced to surviving on what others throw away, for drinking excessively, or taking drugs to blot out the reality).

These people, generally are the victims of the tax cuts that successive governments have made, and the way they've have paid for these tax cuts from cutting spending in areas that remain largely invisible, or unpopular (splitting burdens between MOD and NHS, Closing mental health hospitals under Care in the Community, reducing spending on rehabilition centers, cutting outreach programs, reducing state housing, half way housing, prison education programs, parole services and so on.

 


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moaner Flag Westerham 13 Aug 15 1.44pm Send a Private Message to moaner Add moaner as a friend

Marauding seagulls, steal your bread and s*** on your head, crap all over your car staining the paintwork. They keep you up all night with their endless screeching. The sooner something is done about it the better.

 


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Quote moaner at 13 Aug 2015 1.44pm

Marauding seagulls, steal your bread and s*** on your head, crap all over your car staining the paintwork. They keep you up all night with their endless screeching. The sooner something is done about it the better.

U OK hun?

 

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Quote DanH at 13 Aug 2015 9.17am

Why do we have to be loyal to the Queen?

You can be loyal to whom or what you like.
Try standing in the Holmesdale shouting "Seagulls" that will make your lack of understanding clearer.

 


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