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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 09 Jul 22 2.06pm |
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Not too many will agree with this analysis. Especially those on the front line of the NHS where there is already a surging number of hospitable patients with Covid, all of whom must be separated from non-Covid patients and nursed differently. This creates additional strain when a large number are themselves unable to work, because they have been infected. My wife returned from last night's shift exhausted and full of concerns. The number of ambulances queued up outside A & E was as large as I have ever seen when I dropped her last night. So anything than can be done to flatten the curve will help preserve the ability of the NHS to keep other services running. Doing nothing and just letting things run might be the answer for a non-expert journalist looking at the way pandemics were handled in the past. This though isn't the past. It's now. We know more and the NHS does more. That won't, of course, stop the anti-lockdown, anti-mask, keep the economy going at all costs, brigade trumpeting their approval. I just hope they, or their family, don't need to use the NHS in an emergency only to find they cannot.
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| Stirlingsays 09 Jul 22 2.14pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Only checked to ensure that an edit meets the legal standards and contain no abusive language or libel. Nonsense.
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Teddy Eagle  09 Jul 22 2.22pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not too many will agree with this analysis. Especially those on the front line of the NHS where there is already a surging number of hospitable patients with Covid, all of whom must be separated from non-Covid patients and nursed differently. This creates additional strain when a large number are themselves unable to work, because they have been infected. My wife returned from last night's shift exhausted and full of concerns. The number of ambulances queued up outside A & E was as large as I have ever seen when I dropped her last night. So anything than can be done to flatten the curve will help preserve the ability of the NHS to keep other services running. Doing nothing and just letting things run might be the answer for a non-expert journalist looking at the way pandemics were handled in the past. This though isn't the past. It's now. We know more and the NHS does more. That won't, of course, stop the anti-lockdown, anti-mask, keep the economy going at all costs, brigade trumpeting their approval. I just hope they, or their family, don't need to use the NHS in an emergency only to find they cannot. Ok but he is a retired professor of medical microbiology rather than a non-expert journalist.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Jul 22 4.56pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Nonsense. Showing your bias again? Now there's a surprise.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Jul 22 5.05pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Ok but he is a retired professor of medical microbiology rather than a non-expert journalist. Ok, but that isn't a relevant speciality. He is also a signatory to the "Great Barrington Declaration", a favourite source of highly dubious reasoning for all those opposed to lockdowns. So he has previous, and in this instance his contribution is of a non-expert, part-time journalist.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 09 Jul 22 5.22pm |
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attack the information presented, not the poster or author of material
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| Teddy Eagle 09 Jul 22 5.55pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Ok, but that isn't a relevant speciality. He is also a signatory to the "Great Barrington Declaration", a favourite source of highly dubious reasoning for all those opposed to lockdowns. So he has previous, and in this instance his contribution is of a non-expert, part-time journalist.
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BlueJay  UK 09 Jul 22 6.55pm |
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Originally posted by W12
From the same article: "Countless millions of children who have to live with this “ohps!” the rest of his life, but somehow this concession from Brostrøm must make everything good again. It is always fascinating to see how some people assess what constitutes a safe rule. One can apparently commit mass genocide, and then later say oh, sorry, we just did not know – and everything disappears. If a person did that, he would be brought to justice for crimes against humanity. In Denmark, the government claimed that all children aged five and up needed to be stabbed, not because the shots wanted to protect them, but apparently to “ensure epidemic control” across the country" Funnily enough I feel that the claim that children are victims of 'stabbing' and possibly mass genocide due to getting a covid vaccine (whether or not it benefits them) may be rather wide of the mark. There was clearly a worthwhile argument against all along, but the hysterical and emotion led fact free take by this article hardly furthers that debate.
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| Eden Eagle Kent 09 Jul 22 8.06pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not too many will agree with this analysis. Especially those on the front line of the NHS where there is already a surging number of hospitable patients with Covid, all of whom must be separated from non-Covid patients and nursed differently. This creates additional strain when a large number are themselves unable to work, because they have been infected. My wife returned from last night's shift exhausted and full of concerns. The number of ambulances queued up outside A & E was as large as I have ever seen when I dropped her last night. So anything than can be done to flatten the curve will help preserve the ability of the NHS to keep other services running. Doing nothing and just letting things run might be the answer for a non-expert journalist looking at the way pandemics were handled in the past. This though isn't the past. It's now. We know more and the NHS does more. That won't, of course, stop the anti-lockdown, anti-mask, keep the economy going at all costs, brigade trumpeting their approval. I just hope they, or their family, don't need to use the NHS in an emergency only to find they cannot. Wisbech - Please stop pushing your pro-lockdown narrative and agenda - they did not work and there is no way anyone (with the exception of lockdown lovers like you) will adhere to them in future.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Jul 22 10.18pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
attack the information presented, not the poster or author of material Of course. However, as it is also useful to understand why someone might be taking up a particular position this background is worth knowing so that the validity of the claims can be seen in context
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Jul 22 10.30pm |
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Originally posted by Eden Eagle
Wisbech - Please stop pushing your pro-lockdown narrative and agenda - they did not work and there is no way anyone (with the exception of lockdown lovers like you) will adhere to them in future. As I am neither "pro-lockdown" nor a "lockdown lover" I have no idea what you are on about. What I am is aware of the need to take steps to try to flatten the curve of infections to ensure that the NHS continues to function. What those steps need to be I leave up to the experts to determine. Extreme measures, like total lockdowns, seem to have been the only answer available in the early days, given the lack of knowledge and unavailability of vaccines and treatments. We have moved on. We now have vaccines, treatments and greater understanding. That's not to say the problems aren't still there. Problems which demand solutions, but which solutions are chosen remains unclear. Maybe they will just hope to ride the current wave and hope it doesn't over power us. Maybe we will all be asked to restrict social contacts and work from home again. Another lockdown seems unlikely. We will know soon enough.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Jul 22 10.40pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
This seems a respectable, well reasoned point of view. Though expressed with the benefit of hindsight, it nonetheless may well be instructive should we face a similar set of circumstances. He argues for a more targetted approach, rather than a blanket one. I can though understand why the blanket approach was adopted given the lack of knowledge at the time. He does though go out of his way to reject the approach of "The Barrington Declaration".
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