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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 14 Apr 20 2.24pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Not a bad summary of the issues from the BBC

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Meanwhile in Scotland if anyone can follow what is going on up their good luck. The machinations and manoeuvrings between clubs and the SFA is something to be behold.

Confused? You will be (Soap).

Edited by Badger11 (14 Apr 2020 2.24pm)

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Apr 20 3.03pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Fixing the Libor rate, short selling, sub-prime mortgages, tax evasion... banking was the wild west, but it was making all involved, including the people who make the rules lots of money.

Footballers, musicians, and actors can make rediculous abounts of money by being very good at what they do. Footballers are being made a scapegoat to some extent. Its distracting people from the amount the TV companies and owners are making.

Bankers and businessmen make lots of money by being smart and mainly screwing everyone out of every penny they can get.

Billionaire trader Daniel Levy took the first oportunity to get the tax payer to pay his low earning staff. When he got critised he diverted the attention onto the players.

Even the Spurs yearly wage bill of £80million doesnt seem much against his £1bn net worth. Even the players must be questioning why they should take a pay cut from someone with that much money?


The difference in footballers is that:

1) People begrudge people with low intelligence, or ignorant people who lack class in their spending and behaviour to earn huge sums of money AND.....

2) Because it’s just become a going rate thing, or just squeeze essentially the paying punters and fans for every penny they can via their agents telling them they should and can. Only the best musicians and actors earn fortunes. Very few actually. A lot of footballers are making fortunes by not ‘being good at what they do’ but because others do or that’s the going rate for someone who may prove to be no use whatsoever.

Joe Lewis is the billionaire owner of spurs. Daniel Levy runs the operation. Spurs and Liverpool and whoever else have succumbed to pressure to cancel the furloughing of their non playing staff just as we’d like to see players accept they need to take a cut, not a bloody deferment, of their pay for the good of their club, fans and the game.

I have previously mentioned the beginning of Sky’s monopoly and hopefully in time no need to pay so much to watch football. But during these revenue rises from Tv contracts the players, via their agents, have continually managed to rinse nearly everything out of football.

I’m not sure I agree with footballers deciding that another person is richer than them so they shouldn’t accept a pay cut. If anything they should be more concerned with how the accounts of the club look, and if they knew anything about the effects of their wage demands they’d know the strain that football clubs are under because of the highest cost to the clubs. Themselves. I can’t believe I had to type that out tbh.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (14 Apr 2020 3.22pm)

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Apr 20 3.20pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Not a bad summary of the issues from the BBC

[Link]

Meanwhile in Scotland if anyone can follow what is going on up their good luck. The machinations and manoeuvrings between clubs and the SFA is something to be behold.

Confused? You will be (Soap).

Edited by Badger11 (14 Apr 2020 2.24pm)

‘ On 3 April, the Premier League agreed to advance £125m in payments to the EFL and National League, although only £2m of it will go to the 68 National League clubs.’

Of the 21 Championship clubs who competed in the EFL last season, the latest published accounts for five of them included parachute payments that came with relegation from the Premier League.

In 13 instances out of the remaining 16, the club's wage bills exceeded their income. In their accounts, Reading and Birmingham said there was "material uncertainty" over their ability to exist as a going concern. As is the case for the majority of Championship clubs, they are reliant on funding from their owners.

It has been reported that in order to protect themselves, if agreement can not be found between individual clubs and the Professional Footballers' Association over wage cuts and deferrals, a "nuclear option" of all 24 clubs going into administration was being considered.

But this notion has been rejected by alternative sources influential within Championship circles.

"It is hard enough getting all 24 clubs to agree the time of day, let alone the detail about how you could go about doing that," said one. "It just wouldn't happen."

Each club has a very different funding model.

Some - Stoke and Preston are two examples - have long-standing, wealthy owners, who have already vowed to honour their financial commitments. In contrast, Leeds and Birmingham have already reached deferral agreements with their first-team squads. Others are looking at other ways to reduce costs. West Bromwich Albion chief executive Mark Jenkins has taken a 100% pay cut.

Evidently, distrust exists. BBC Sport understands EFL chairman Rick Parry is in receipt of a letter from a club questioning how wage deferrals - existing and in the future - are going to be paid and whether, until salaries are honoured in full, clubs are going to be allowed to make new signings or agree new deals with players whose contracts expire on 30 June.

The argument is some have stretched themselves too far and should not be allowed to avoid the consequences.

When Covid-19 has been dealt with and life has returned to normal, it is anticipated the financial operations of EFL clubs will be looked at again.

Insiders have told BBC Sport the present "Profit and Sustainability" regulations are "not fit for purpose". The EFL already has a working group looking at the rule, which allows clubs not recently relegated from the Premier League to lose £39m over a three-year period. However, rather than look at the whole issue with scepticism, as has been thought likely, it is hoped the experience of the past month, and what lies ahead, will allow all parties to adopt a more mature position which, in theory, will provide the breathing space needed to reach more acceptable - and workable - regulations.

Indications are that Sky will not ask for the money they have paid for this season back. However, if the middle of June arrives with no indication when the 2020-21 campaign will begin, they are unlikely to hand over their first payment - and that would concern every club as it would chop off funding.

Indications are that Sky will not ask for the money they have paid for this season back. However, if the middle of June arrives with no indication when the 2020-21 campaign will begin, they are unlikely to hand over their first payment - and that would concern every club as it would chop off funding.

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That agreed administration by all clubs in the championship sounded like a good plan but unsurprisingly its fallen down.

First I’ve heard sky might not want their 19/20 Tv money instalment back.

 


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scuffy Flag orpington 14 Apr 20 6.07pm Send a Private Message to scuffy Add scuffy as a friend

Wow, mass generalization there...why do you even bother watching or supporting them if you think so little of them?

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The difference in footballers is that:

1) People begrudge people with low intelligence, or ignorant people who lack class in their spending and behaviour to earn huge sums of money AND.....

2) Because it’s just become a going rate thing, or just squeeze essentially the paying punters and fans for every penny they can via their agents telling them they should and can. Only the best musicians and actors earn fortunes. Very few actually. A lot of footballers are making fortunes by not ‘being good at what they do’ but because others do or that’s the going rate for someone who may prove to be no use whatsoever.

Joe Lewis is the billionaire owner of spurs. Daniel Levy runs the operation. Spurs and Liverpool and whoever else have succumbed to pressure to cancel the furloughing of their non playing staff just as we’d like to see players accept they need to take a cut, not a bloody deferment, of their pay for the good of their club, fans and the game.

I have previously mentioned the beginning of Sky’s monopoly and hopefully in time no need to pay so much to watch football. But during these revenue rises from Tv contracts the players, via their agents, have continually managed to rinse nearly everything out of football.

I’m not sure I agree with footballers deciding that another person is richer than them so they shouldn’t accept a pay cut. If anything they should be more concerned with how the accounts of the club look, and if they knew anything about the effects of their wage demands they’d know the strain that football clubs are under because of the highest cost to the clubs. Themselves. I can’t believe I had to type that out tbh.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (14 Apr 2020 3.22pm)

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Apr 20 6.21pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by scuffy

Wow, mass generalization there...why do you even bother watching or supporting them if you think so little of them?

I support my local club. I don’t idolise players. Most of them would be off in an instant if more money was on offer anyway. Some of the old guard and Tomkins are different. The rest are mostly far removed from us.

 


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Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 15 Apr 20 9.22am Send a Private Message to Eaglehamster Add Eaglehamster as a friend

Their refusal to moderate their wages show that the players have zero loyalty to their clubs nor, more importantly, to the supporters.

They all seem to feel "picked on" and are determined to hold their ground whatever. Be interesting to see if they are so resolute once clubs start going tits-up.

I'd propose a temporary maximum wage of £3,000 per week. Their inflated wages restored when normality returns.

Real hardship for the poor petals.

Who on here has earned £150,000 pa - not many I'll bet.

Edited by Eaglehamster (15 Apr 2020 9.23am)

 


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jeeagles Flag 15 Apr 20 11.01pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The difference in footballers is that:

1) People begrudge people with low intelligence, or ignorant people who lack class in their spending and behaviour to earn huge sums of money AND.....

2) Because it’s just become a going rate thing, or just squeeze essentially the paying punters and fans for every penny they can via their agents telling them they should and can. Only the best musicians and actors earn fortunes. Very few actually. A lot of footballers are making fortunes by not ‘being good at what they do’ but because others do or that’s the going rate for someone who may prove to be no use whatsoever.

Joe Lewis is the billionaire owner of spurs. Daniel Levy runs the operation. Spurs and Liverpool and whoever else have succumbed to pressure to cancel the furloughing of their non playing staff just as we’d like to see players accept they need to take a cut, not a bloody deferment, of their pay for the good of their club, fans and the game.

I have previously mentioned the beginning of Sky’s monopoly and hopefully in time no need to pay so much to watch football. But during these revenue rises from Tv contracts the players, via their agents, have continually managed to rinse nearly everything out of football.

I’m not sure I agree with footballers deciding that another person is richer than them so they shouldn’t accept a pay cut. If anything they should be more concerned with how the accounts of the club look, and if they knew anything about the effects of their wage demands they’d know the strain that football clubs are under because of the highest cost to the clubs. Themselves. I can’t believe I had to type that out tbh.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (14 Apr 2020 3.22pm)

I get where your coming from, and think players should either take a cut or donate a large sum to charity. Seeing the players car park recently made me realise how sickening the amount of money they have is and how detached they are from the fans.

It just depends on why the are taking a cut, if it was to keep the club alive then great, if the club owners go out and spend millions in the next transfer window the players taking a pay cut are likely to be pissed off.

I know a couple of firms I used to work for have cut staff wages by 15%. The firms arent struggling and set up to work remotely. They are probably saving money on office cost and it seems like profiteering. That sort of behaviour isnt being reported.

With premiership clubs having 25 man squads, that's 500 premiership players who are probably on £1m plus a year... add the championship, we are probably talking about 1000 footballes in the country earning massive amounts.

That's not really a huge number when you consider that there are 150 billionaires in the country with 1000 times more money.

Hence why I think this is a bit of a diversion tactic.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 15 Apr 20 11.31pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

The players (with the help of agents) are a big part of why clubs have to spend millions on new players. With regards to wages anyway. They can’t complain if clubs spend money on players to improve or evolve the team, and some of them might be players hoping to go onto pastures new. The alternative is using more younger players which I’d welcome tbh, but that might backfire on current prem players when the younger ones prove better for the clubs in several ways. There will be so many reasons why they should take a cut vs the good old sin of greed.

 


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Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 16 Apr 20 12.09am Send a Private Message to Eaglehamster Add Eaglehamster as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

I get where your coming from, and think players should either take a cut or donate a large sum to charity. Seeing the players car park recently made me realise how sickening the amount of money they have is and how detached they are from the fans.

It just depends on why the are taking a cut, if it was to keep the club alive then great, if the club owners go out and spend millions in the next transfer window the players taking a pay cut are likely to be pissed off.

I know a couple of firms I used to work for have cut staff wages by 15%. The firms arent struggling and set up to work remotely. They are probably saving money on office cost and it seems like profiteering. That sort of behaviour isnt being reported.

With premiership clubs having 25 man squads, that's 500 premiership players who are probably on £1m plus a year... add the championship, we are probably talking about 1000 footballes in the country earning massive amounts.

That's not really a huge number when you consider that there are 150 billionaires in the country with 1000 times more money.

Hence why I think this is a bit of a diversion tactic.

Who's asking for a donation to charity? Isn't this about the survival of the clubs?

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Apr 20 12.14am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

Who's asking for a donation to charity? Isn't this about the survival of the clubs?

Apropos survival I won't be surprised one iota if some lower league clubs go to the wall.A couple of people who ae prominent at their clubs believe as many as 10 could fold.

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 16 Apr 20 7.43am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Apropos survival I won't be surprised one iota if some lower league clubs go to the wall.A couple of people who ae prominent at their clubs believe as many as 10 could fold.

Mark Palios thinks about 12 are in real danger even with the wage cut and the bung from the PL.

 


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