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hedgehog50  Croydon 23 Mar 17 2.21pm |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
And there is a decent argument that the "armed struggle"only came into being after the civil rights movement (modelled on the movement of the same name in the USA) and aimed at getting rid of the apartheid like state we had set up (giving in to unionist threats of terrorism) and turned a blind eye to while it flourished for decades was greeted by unrestrained violence. If you were a catholic youth in 1968-1972,I suspect you'd have been likely to see your Provos as somewhat more your friends than the B Specials and the army...back in the days when Paisley was describing catholics as “they breed like rabbits and multiply like vermin”,at a loyalist rally in 1969. Mind you he'd have felt right at home amongst the way some describe asylum seekers today,but that's another story. Terrorism apologist alert.
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 OknotOK Cockfosters, London 23 Mar 17 2.22pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So it's understandable to support murderers when you feel hard done by? Just making a note of that. No that isn't what I said. I said it is "easy to understand". "Understandable" implies it is acceptable and given I expressly said "It doesn't excuse it. It doesn't make it right" I think it's fairly clear that I do not think it is acceptable. Edited by OknotOK (23 Mar 2017 2.23pm)
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 23 Mar 17 2.26pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Terrorism apologist alert. A quick read-up on what the B Specials were and what they did would leave you wondering who the terrorists actually were.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 23 Mar 17 2.40pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
A quick read-up on what the B Specials were and what they did would leave you wondering who the terrorists actually were. I'm sure all sides were capable of atrocities, doesn't excuse any of them. Leagle had a go at Paisley, a bigot no doubt, but how many deaths did he order compared to McGuiness?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Mar 17 2.49pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I'm sure all sides were capable of atrocities, doesn't excuse any of them. Leagle had a go at Paisley, a bigot no doubt, but how many deaths did he order compared to McGuiness? It could be said that he potentially saved a lot of lives in being an integral part of the peace process.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 23 Mar 17 2.50pm |
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Where we are now in the week of his death is that Sinn Fein have half the vote by democratic means that says a lot for him and for others who put guns aside. So where does N.Ireland go from here I think its up in the air just like Scotland. The 'lead' country in the union, us, seems to be headed for a cosy 50's world of faded empire grammar schools so forth hardly forward looking. So the nationalist cause seems to be bright and hopeful outward-looking especially to the young. Rubbishing and finger-wagging from unelected Mrs May just pushing people into the nationalist camp.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 23 Mar 17 2.57pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Where we are now in the week of his death is that Sinn Fein have half the vote by democratic means that says a lot for him and for others who put guns aside. So where does N.Ireland go from here I think its up in the air just like Scotland. The 'lead' country in the union, us, seems to be headed for a cosy 50's world of faded empire grammar schools so forth hardly forward looking. So the nationalist cause seems to be bright and hopeful outward-looking especially to the young. Rubbishing and finger-wagging from unelected Mrs May just pushing people into the nationalist camp.
Eire? Who needed a 85 billion Euro bail out to survive due them having difficulties in running whelk stalls.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 23 Mar 17 3.22pm |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
No that isn't what I said. I said it is "easy to understand". "Understandable" implies it is acceptable and given I expressly said "It doesn't excuse it. It doesn't make it right" I think it's fairly clear that I do not think it is acceptable. Edited by OknotOK (23 Mar 2017 2.23pm) Fair enough. Getting proverbially mugged for the slightest misinterpretation is a bit irritating I know.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 23 Mar 17 3.29pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Eire? Who needed a 85 billion Euro bail out to survive due them having difficulties in running whelk stalls. God you are thick. Northern Ireland is not Eire.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Mar 17 3.30pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
It could be said that he potentially saved a lot of lives in being an integral part of the peace process. It could be, but his motives are certainly in question.
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| npn Crowborough 23 Mar 17 3.38pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Where we are now in the week of his death is that Sinn Fein have half the vote by democratic means that says a lot for him and for others who put guns aside. So where does N.Ireland go from here I think its up in the air just like Scotland. The 'lead' country in the union, us, seems to be headed for a cosy 50's world of faded empire grammar schools so forth hardly forward looking. So the nationalist cause seems to be bright and hopeful outward-looking especially to the young. Rubbishing and finger-wagging from unelected Mrs May just pushing people into the nationalist camp.
Strange statement - she won Maidenhead with a massive 54% majority. She would have won even if all opposition parties had combined their votes. Hardly unelected. I'd say very firmly elected (whether you like her or not)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 23 Mar 17 3.42pm |
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Originally posted by npn
Strange statement - she won Maidenhead with a massive 54% majority. She would have won even if all opposition parties had combined their votes. Hardly unelected. I'd say very firmly elected (whether you like her or not) By the country at a general election.
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