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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 12 Jan 17 4.02pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

How many of these can we tick off?

The 14 Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
Free Inquiry
Spring 2003
5-11-3

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed
to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Sorry if it's too long hoof, maybe read it over 3 goes

This link debunks 'Dr'.Lawrence Britt - not a Dr. at all, a businessman.

[Link]

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Jan 17 4.11pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You have revealed yourself.

No I haven't, especially after the trouble I got in last time I did.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Jan 17 4.12pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

This link debunks 'Dr'.Lawrence Britt - not a Dr. at all, a businessman.

[Link]

An interesting argument by the looks of it. I'll have a proper read of it later.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Jan 17 4.20pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

No I haven't, especially after the trouble I got in last time I did.

A member of MI6, who is now in hiding, has the pictures.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 12 Jan 17 4.30pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

The reason there is collegiate system in the US is to give a democratic voice to the places that are less populated. If it was a straight 'first past post' or majority wins system, something you yourself have criticised primarily because the Brexit referendum didn't provide the result you wanted, then the US election would only be about New York, Chicago and LA. Is that democracy?

However, once again, it tells me more about your sensibilities which are you want democracy but democracy on your terms, that produce the result you want.

Opponents of the USA election college will disagree as you are placing a value on a vote whereas each vote should be equal regardless.

IMO whether you live in New York or Kentucky one man one vote is better.

Still its their system and goes back in history don't see any real complaints from USA politicians.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 12 Jan 17 4.47pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

How many of these can we tick off?

The 14 Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
Free Inquiry
Spring 2003
5-11-3

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed
to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Sorry if it's too long hoof, maybe read it over 3 goes

[Link]

Dr.Britt is only describing Britain under the Conservatives.

Its a tenner if you want your tax form signed.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Jan 17 6.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A member of MI6, who is now in hiding, has the pictures.

No MFI.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 17 9.37pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Why isn't Corbyn's similar MO not working then?

He is supposed to be spreading the word by Social Media like Trump is.

Every one here that matters and can vote still thinks Corbyn is a Muppet dressed like Compo.... only Momentum etc are buying into him.

How is Trump defying the odds and going from strength to strength no matter what is thrown at him.

It can't be a low IQ can it?

The reason Corbyn won't succeed is because only a small group agree with him. His message is not a popularist one. Trump appeals to a much wider group. He is wrong, but he is popularist. His message is the one which has been traded in bars since bars existed. Having a low IQ is an asset when proposing such ideas as it matches those of your target audience.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Jan 17 10.09pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The reason Corbyn won't succeed is because only a small group agree with him. His message is not a popularist one. Trump appeals to a much wider group. He is wrong, but he is popularist. His message is the one which has been traded in bars since bars existed. Having a low IQ is an asset when proposing such ideas as it matches those of your target audience.

It's funny how when people are asked about corbyns ideas for policies, without being told they are Corbyns, they agree with them.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Jan 17 9.26am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The controlling influence on the world has many tentacles and may interested parties.
If they feel that the top man is not on side then they will try to undermine him.
There is no perfect all controlling, all knowing organisation with a bald man with a white cat running it, but I'm confident that those with vested interests will have a consensus in regard to their policy toward a given set of circumstances. Trump getting voted in despite all the media/business effort to support Clinton, probably came as a bit if a shock I'm guessing.

That's pretty much how I see it. Lots of different power players all trying to get their own way. It doesn't surprise me that Trump won. But its really just a different puppet on a different set of strings.

 


"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Jan 17 9.29am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Opponents of the USA election college will disagree as you are placing a value on a vote whereas each vote should be equal regardless.

IMO whether you live in New York or Kentucky one man one vote is better.

Still its their system and goes back in history don't see any real complaints from USA politicians.

Surely if each vote is equal, then Clinton won, by getting more votes. The US system, like the UK system, is designed to limit the capacity of other parties to compete, and to restrict government to parties with the financial capability to stand enough candidates in enough different constituencies.

The electorial college works to ensure that states have 'more equal power influence' not people.

 


"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Jan 17 9.31am

Originally posted by .TUX.

1. The Central Banks are in control.
2. See above. And no, we're obviously not.

They have powerful influence, I don't think they really have control, or really too much interest in controlling world events, beyond financial stability.

 


"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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