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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 20 May 16 11.03am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
This is the tragedy of modern US politics. The republican party has become increasingly synonomous with this kind of rhetoric around profit, Merica, no spending, guns and god. Which is a shame for those republicans who aren't some jacked up god Hitler in a suit spurting hate (i.e. the vast majority of republicans). Politics in the US has been fundamentally stripped of any real political content at the top level. The likes of Trump would likely never survive as senators with their approach, they'd be marginalised in the republican party to the 'embrassing closet' like Thrugood et al. Since WW2, only two presidents have been elected directly from the Senate - Kennedy and Obama.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 20 May 16 11.09am | |
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Originally posted by nairb75
nothing he proposes would ever ever come up for vote. would need a few cycles of democrat massive wins for congress (house and senate). that won't happen. i take issue with some of his stances - free higher ed? that's nowhere near realistic. not that i don't value education but it's so complicated. it won't happen and i really don't think it should right now (college costs are outrageous. would be a sin to pass that on to tax payers). there's no win. it's a mess. campaign finance has wrecked everything - the way any sensible person knew it would. nothing good will happen until that goes away, bernie or other. Its an investment in the future of the country. Its worth remembering that the debts accrued by students are generally cleared in their life time of working and paying tax (which the graduate will typically do at a higher level of income than a non-graduate). I think you have to have a system in place, where by the 'best and brightest' are given every chance to exploit that ability, without then tying them to huge ridiculous debts, that force then into specific job options. I don't really think it even matters what area of academia it is either. The one thing that university shouldn't be doing is constructing future employees for jobs. The US system and UK system consists of a large number of degrees, which really exists entirely towards filling corporate Graduate Programs. Those companies get the benefit of the best education at absolutely no cost to those companies, with the costs being incurred by the taxpayer, and the student. This has a consequent knock on, where in the debts accured by students, ends up robbing academia of the best available minds, because they have to pay back the 30-100k debt and this fundamentally undermines us culturally as a nation - when you have PhD students in sciences, taking jobs outside of research and academia, because they can't afford not to.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 20 May 16 11.12am | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Since WW2, only two presidents have been elected directly from the Senate - Kennedy and Obama. Probably just as well, in Kennedy's case. Can you imagine Trump in the Cuban Missile crisis being the voice of calm that kept the 'war pigs' at bay. Whilst I don't think a president should necessarily be someone who has served in public office or government, it does concern me why people would vote for someone who has no experience of politics.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 20 May 16 11.17am | |
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Originally posted by Brentmiester_General
It's not fecked. It's just globalisation. Happening in most major cities around the world today. I was served an Englsh style Turkish kebab by a Chinese man in Sydney Australia this year. Is that fecked, or is it globalisation? Edited by Brentmiester_General (20 May 2016 5.59am) I'd imagine its pretty great, as you clearly wanted to buy an English style Turkish Kebab in Australia (and lets face it in Australia, your all migrants who completely f**ked the people who lived there). Anyone who's ever enjoyed eating out, understands that migration has some positive impacts on culture. The same applies to all of the arts (low and high).
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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 20 May 16 11.18am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Probably just as well, in Kennedy's case. Can you imagine Trump in the Cuban Missile crisis being the voice of calm that kept the 'war pigs' at bay. Whilst I don't think a president should necessarily be someone who has served in public office or government, it does concern me why people would vote for someone who has no experience of politics. That's democracy for ya.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 20 May 16 11.22am | |
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Quite, its like electing to a medical diagnosis undertaken by someone on the basis of the PR, rather than a professional. There is no guarantee in either case, but the stats really favour the professional.
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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 20 May 16 11.28am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Quite, its like electing to a medical diagnosis undertaken by someone on the basis of the PR, rather than a professional. There is no guarantee in either case, but the stats really favour the professional. Maybe it's because Trump has no previous involvement in politics that he's captured the popular imagination. With your average Joe, 'politician' compares pretty unfavourably with bailiffs and estate agents these days.
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johnfirewall 20 May 16 11.40am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I'd imagine its pretty great, as you clearly wanted to buy an English style Turkish Kebab in Australia (and lets face it in Australia, your all migrants who completely f**ked the people who lived there). Anyone who's ever enjoyed eating out, understands that migration has some positive impacts on culture. The same applies to all of the arts (low and high). The irony being that restrictions on non-EU migration to mitigate the effect of the unstoppable EU variety has supposedly caused curry houses to close. Evidently for the government it's not desirable to have these numbers coming in if they're already limiting them where they can. Edited by johnfirewall (20 May 2016 11.45am)
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nairb75 Baltimore 20 May 16 1.54pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Its an investment in the future of the country. Its worth remembering that the debts accrued by students are generally cleared in their life time of working and paying tax (which the graduate will typically do at a higher level of income than a non-graduate). I think you have to have a system in place, where by the 'best and brightest' are given every chance to exploit that ability, without then tying them to huge ridiculous debts, that force then into specific job options. I don't really think it even matters what area of academia it is either. The one thing that university shouldn't be doing is constructing future employees for jobs. The US system and UK system consists of a large number of degrees, which really exists entirely towards filling corporate Graduate Programs. Those companies get the benefit of the best education at absolutely no cost to those companies, with the costs being incurred by the taxpayer, and the student. This has a consequent knock on, where in the debts accured by students, ends up robbing academia of the best available minds, because they have to pay back the 30-100k debt and this fundamentally undermines us culturally as a nation - when you have PhD students in sciences, taking jobs outside of research and academia, because they can't afford not to. no thanks, for me, unless there is a lot of accountability not existing today. i'm not paying for $50k per year for a kid to go to a private school to study 18th century french literature. i went to college with too many people who, in their first year, were just hanging out. they had no interest in getting a degree: the military and getting a job weren't what they wanted to do and college seemed cool.
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