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Kermit8 Hevon 08 Dec 15 2.31pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Dec 2015 2.23pm Quote Kermit8 at 08 Dec 2015 2.20pm Quote NickRobinson at 08 Dec 2015 2.12pm 23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty. There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime. Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm) Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground. Now is rather what matters. Of course, but i am not into this one religion is better than the other nonsense. Won't help the people who have been burned, beheaded and tortured either recently or from hundreds of years ago for being non-Christian or non-Muslim. The extreme Sunnis are much more of a danger today, obviously. But who is to say in 100 years they will have calmed down and some nutty Evangelicals have taken their place on the terror spectrum? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty.

There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime.

Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm)

Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground.

Now is rather what matters.

Of course, but i am not into this one religion is better than the other nonsense. Won't help the people who have been burned, beheaded and tortured either recently or from hundreds of years ago for being non-Christian or non-Muslim.

The extreme Sunnis are much more of a danger today, obviously. But who is to say in 100 years they will have calmed down and some nutty Evangelicals have taken their place on the terror spectrum?

Big chest and massive boobs

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 08 Dec 15 2.34pm
Quote Kermit8 at 08 Dec 2015 2.31pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Dec 2015 2.23pm Quote Kermit8 at 08 Dec 2015 2.20pm Quote NickRobinson at 08 Dec 2015 2.12pm 23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty. There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime. Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm) Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground. Now is rather what matters. Of course, but i am not into this one religion is better than the other nonsense. Won't help the people who have been burned, beheaded and tortured either recently or from hundreds of years ago for being non-Christian or non-Muslim. The extreme Sunnis are much more of a danger today, obviously. But who is to say in 100 years they will have calmed down and some nutty Evangelicals have taken their place on the terror spectrum? But as we're on it - ours is better than theirs.. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty.

There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime.

Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm)

Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground.

Now is rather what matters.

Of course, but i am not into this one religion is better than the other nonsense. Won't help the people who have been burned, beheaded and tortured either recently or from hundreds of years ago for being non-Christian or non-Muslim.

The extreme Sunnis are much more of a danger today, obviously. But who is to say in 100 years they will have calmed down and some nutty Evangelicals have taken their place on the terror spectrum?

But as we're on it - ours is better than theirs..

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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Schuloff Hackney 08 Dec 15 2.50pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Dec 2015 1.18pm Quote 7mins at 08 Dec 2015 12.48pm [Link] Islam has gotta be the worst religion for dealing with criticism/having it's beliefs challanged I don't know about that, historically Catholicism and Protestantism were pretty 'hardcore' about challenges to belief, even trivial ones. The Catholics were very keen on 'monopolisation' of religion, even their own. Nowdays, maybe, but there is a reason why no one can pick Cathar on the European list of Religions. Yes Jamie, one event in the crushing of the Good Christians as the Cathars were also known took place in Béziers, Languedoc 22 July, 1209. Some 220 converts followed Catharism in the city and were being sheltered by their Catholic neighbours ascrusading troops led by the Papal legate Arnold Amaury surrounded the city walls. A delegation of Catholic elders came out to the troops to appeal on behalf of their fellow citizens. As it was clear Armaury had no interest in conflict resolution he was asked by the elders how they hoped to tell the Cathar adherents from the orthodox catholic majority. He issued his troops the order "Kill them all. God will recognise his own" and some 20,000 citizens were slaughtered.
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Islam has gotta be the worst religion for dealing with criticism/having it's beliefs challanged

I don't know about that, historically Catholicism and Protestantism were pretty 'hardcore' about challenges to belief, even trivial ones. The Catholics were very keen on 'monopolisation' of religion, even their own.

Nowdays, maybe, but there is a reason why no one can pick Cathar on the European list of Religions.

Yes Jamie, one event in the crushing of the Good Christians as the Cathars were also known took place in Béziers, Languedoc 22 July, 1209.
Some 220 converts followed Catharism in the city and were being sheltered by their Catholic neighbours ascrusading troops led by the Papal legate Arnold Amaury surrounded the city walls. A delegation of Catholic elders came out to the troops to appeal on behalf of their fellow citizens.
As it was clear Armaury had no interest in conflict resolution he was asked by the elders how they hoped to tell the Cathar adherents from the orthodox catholic majority. He issued his troops the order "Kill them all. God will recognise his own" and some 20,000 citizens were slaughtered.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Dec 15 5.05pm
Quote dannyh at 02 Dec 2015 8.00pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Nov 2015 4.28pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 30 Nov 2015 1.56pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2015 10.18am Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Nov 2015 9.58am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 29 Nov 2015 12.11pm Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Nov 2015 12.26pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 28 Nov 2015 12.05pm WW2 created the circumstances but the Jewish ideal was always to return to the Biblical promised land. Israel has no real basis in history, it is purely a Biblical and therefore religious myth. If there was ever a substantial Jewish homeland it was not modern day Israel. Religion was entirely responsible for the concept and the reality of Jewish settlement. To say the war created the circumstances and then say religion was entirely responsible are contradictions. The Jews historically came from that area...I'm not arguing here about the decision the UN came up with and the British implemented. I'm replying to the assertion that religion is 'entirely responsible'. I think a better way to phrase it is to say 'group identity'. Religion wasn't and isn't a significant factor for many Jews in moving to Palestine....A real understanding of Judaism understands that it is an extremely broad religion which is practiced in the same way that Buddhism embraces both the religious but also the secular. You have your religious Jews and you have your secular Jews.....Many of them think they have a right to a life in Israel. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2015 12.27pm) I'm sorry but that cannot be true. They moved to that area specifically because of the Biblical story. There are plenty of other places they could have gone. If the Bible is not a religious book and therefore a religious reason to move to Palestine then I don't know what is. The Torah is the holy book of the Judaism. Whilst the bibles old testament is sourced in the Torah and history of the Jewish tribes, it is not a complete adaption etc. The Biblical Story is the Christian version of the stories and myths of the Jewish tribes prior to the new testament. LOL you arguing over which holy book from which faith is more correct! They're probably all complete bollocks and made up by someone who was afraid of dying. Not really. Jamie is right of course about the origins of the Biblical reference and the other stuff. My point is that the whole basis of Israel existing at all is purely from the religious writings. Thee is no actual evidence outside of that. Therefore, as I said, Israel was formed purely on the basis of religious belief rather than fact. The fact that many factions ultimately chose to go there for varying reasons does not alter that. Quite right, the Kingdom of Judea would be the closest to a real 'incidence' of Israel. Is that where the peoples front of Judea live ? No, its where the Judea Peoples Front live you splitter. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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WW2 created the circumstances but the Jewish ideal was always to return to the Biblical promised land.
Israel has no real basis in history, it is purely a Biblical and therefore religious myth.
If there was ever a substantial Jewish homeland it was not modern day Israel. Religion was entirely responsible for the concept and the reality of Jewish settlement.

To say the war created the circumstances and then say religion was entirely responsible are contradictions.

The Jews historically came from that area...I'm not arguing here about the decision the UN came up with and the British implemented. I'm replying to the assertion that religion is 'entirely responsible'.

I think a better way to phrase it is to say 'group identity'. Religion wasn't and isn't a significant factor for many Jews in moving to Palestine....A real understanding of Judaism understands that it is an extremely broad religion which is practiced in the same way that Buddhism embraces both the religious but also the secular.

You have your religious Jews and you have your secular Jews.....Many of them think they have a right to a life in Israel.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2015 12.27pm)

I'm sorry but that cannot be true. They moved to that area specifically because of the Biblical story. There are plenty of other places they could have gone.

If the Bible is not a religious book and therefore a religious reason to move to Palestine then I don't know what is.

The Torah is the holy book of the Judaism. Whilst the bibles old testament is sourced in the Torah and history of the Jewish tribes, it is not a complete adaption etc.

The Biblical Story is the Christian version of the stories and myths of the Jewish tribes prior to the new testament.

LOL you arguing over which holy book from which faith is more correct!

They're probably all complete bollocks and made up by someone who was afraid of dying.

Not really.

Jamie is right of course about the origins of the Biblical reference and the other stuff.
My point is that the whole basis of Israel existing at all is purely from the religious writings. Thee is no actual evidence outside of that. Therefore, as I said, Israel was formed purely on the basis of religious belief rather than fact. The fact that many factions ultimately chose to go there for varying reasons does not alter that.

Quite right, the Kingdom of Judea would be the closest to a real 'incidence' of Israel.

Is that where the peoples front of Judea live ?

No, its where the Judea Peoples Front live you splitter.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Dec 15 5.16pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 08 Dec 2015 2.34pm Quote Kermit8 at 08 Dec 2015 2.31pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Dec 2015 2.23pm Quote Kermit8 at 08 Dec 2015 2.20pm Quote NickRobinson at 08 Dec 2015 2.12pm 23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty. There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime. Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm) Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground. Now is rather what matters. Of course, but i am not into this one religion is better than the other nonsense. Won't help the people who have been burned, beheaded and tortured either recently or from hundreds of years ago for being non-Christian or non-Muslim. The extreme Sunnis are much more of a danger today, obviously. But who is to say in 100 years they will have calmed down and some nutty Evangelicals have taken their place on the terror spectrum? But as we're on it - ours is better than theirs.. Technically ours is a derision from theirs, as both Judaism and Islam are Abrahamic faiths. A lot of Christian Mythology actually stems from Islam (the idea of Devils, Lucifer, the War in Heaven etc aren't Christian or Jewish concepts, they're Islamic). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 08 Dec 2015 2.34pm

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Quote NickRobinson at 08 Dec 2015 2.12pm

23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty.

There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime.

Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm)

Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground.

Now is rather what matters.

The extreme Sunnis are much more of a danger today, obviously. But who is to say in 100 years they will have calmed down and some nutty Evangelicals have taken their place on the terror spectrum?

But as we're on it - ours is better than theirs..

Technically ours is a derision from theirs, as both Judaism and Islam are Abrahamic faiths. A lot of Christian Mythology actually stems from Islam (the idea of Devils, Lucifer, the War in Heaven etc aren't Christian or Jewish concepts, they're Islamic).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 08 Dec 15 5.21pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Dec 2015 5.16pm Quote Tom-the-eagle at 08 Dec 2015 2.34pm Quote Kermit8 at 08 Dec 2015 2.31pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Dec 2015 2.23pm Quote Kermit8 at 08 Dec 2015 2.20pm Quote NickRobinson at 08 Dec 2015 2.12pm 23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty. There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime. Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm) Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground. Now is rather what matters. Of course, but i am not into this one religion is better than the other nonsense. Won't help the people who have been burned, beheaded and tortured either recently or from hundreds of years ago for being non-Christian or non-Muslim. The extreme Sunnis are much more of a danger today, obviously. But who is to say in 100 years they will have calmed down and some nutty Evangelicals have taken their place on the terror spectrum? But as we're on it - ours is better than theirs.. Technically ours is a derision from theirs, as both Judaism and Islam are Abrahamic faiths. A lot of Christian Mythology actually stems from Islam (the idea of Devils, Lucifer, the War in Heaven etc aren't Christian or Jewish concepts, they're Islamic). When trying to use big words Jamie - please try and use them in the correct context.. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty.

There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime.

Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm)

Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground.

Now is rather what matters.

The extreme Sunnis are much more of a danger today, obviously. But who is to say in 100 years they will have calmed down and some nutty Evangelicals have taken their place on the terror spectrum?

But as we're on it - ours is better than theirs..

Technically ours is a derision from theirs, as both Judaism and Islam are Abrahamic faiths. A lot of Christian Mythology actually stems from Islam (the idea of Devils, Lucifer, the War in Heaven etc aren't Christian or Jewish concepts, they're Islamic).

When trying to use big words Jamie - please try and use them in the correct context..

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Dec 15 5.30pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Dec 2015 2.23pm Quote Kermit8 at 08 Dec 2015 2.20pm Quote NickRobinson at 08 Dec 2015 2.12pm 23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty. There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime. Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm) Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground. Now is rather what matters. True, but then there aren't really any Christian Countries left either. Where as far as most of the Muslim countries of the world are generally concerned, they've been independent countries for less than the life span of many of the posters on here. Its easy to forget that the UK / England has close to nearly 1000 years of being a more of less independent nation. Where as pakistan has 40 or so years. Prior to that most of the middle east, and Muslim nations were part of various European empires (or even non-existent). Ironically, historically speaking, Islam was a lot more tolerant of other religions than Catholicism. Even some of the countries with a longer history of Independence were little more than puppet states (Iran under the Shia) Interestingly, thanks to a quick wiki peek, apparently more than half of Muslim countries don't punish Apostasy either. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty.

There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime.

Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm)

Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground.

Now is rather what matters.

True, but then there aren't really any Christian Countries left either. Where as far as most of the Muslim countries of the world are generally concerned, they've been independent countries for less than the life span of many of the posters on here.

Its easy to forget that the UK / England has close to nearly 1000 years of being a more of less independent nation. Where as pakistan has 40 or so years. Prior to that most of the middle east, and Muslim nations were part of various European empires (or even non-existent).

Ironically, historically speaking, Islam was a lot more tolerant of other religions than Catholicism.

Even some of the countries with a longer history of Independence were little more than puppet states (Iran under the Shia)

Interestingly, thanks to a quick wiki peek, apparently more than half of Muslim countries don't punish Apostasy either.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Dec 15 5.33pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 08 Dec 2015 5.21pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Dec 2015 5.16pm Quote Tom-the-eagle at 08 Dec 2015 2.34pm Quote Kermit8 at 08 Dec 2015 2.31pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Dec 2015 2.23pm Quote Kermit8 at 08 Dec 2015 2.20pm Quote NickRobinson at 08 Dec 2015 2.12pm 23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty. There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime. Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm) Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground. Now is rather what matters. Of course, but i am not into this one religion is better than the other nonsense. Won't help the people who have been burned, beheaded and tortured either recently or from hundreds of years ago for being non-Christian or non-Muslim. The extreme Sunnis are much more of a danger today, obviously. But who is to say in 100 years they will have calmed down and some nutty Evangelicals have taken their place on the terror spectrum? But as we're on it - ours is better than theirs.. Technically ours is a derision from theirs, as both Judaism and Islam are Abrahamic faiths. A lot of Christian Mythology actually stems from Islam (the idea of Devils, Lucifer, the War in Heaven etc aren't Christian or Jewish concepts, they're Islamic). When trying to use big words Jamie - please try and use them in the correct context.. Anyhow, Christian Mythology and belief is largely from Islamic, Zoroastrian and Jewish sources. A lot of what forms the mythology of Christianity was appropriated from non-biblical middle eastern sources. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty.

There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime.

Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm)

Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground.

Now is rather what matters.

The extreme Sunnis are much more of a danger today, obviously. But who is to say in 100 years they will have calmed down and some nutty Evangelicals have taken their place on the terror spectrum?

But as we're on it - ours is better than theirs..

When trying to use big words Jamie - please try and use them in the correct context..

Anyhow, Christian Mythology and belief is largely from Islamic, Zoroastrian and Jewish sources. A lot of what forms the mythology of Christianity was appropriated from non-biblical middle eastern sources.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 08 Dec 15 5.36pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Dec 2015 5.33pm Quote Tom-the-eagle at 08 Dec 2015 5.21pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Dec 2015 5.16pm Quote Tom-the-eagle at 08 Dec 2015 2.34pm Quote Kermit8 at 08 Dec 2015 2.31pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Dec 2015 2.23pm Quote Kermit8 at 08 Dec 2015 2.20pm Quote NickRobinson at 08 Dec 2015 2.12pm 23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty. There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime. Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm) Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground. Now is rather what matters. Of course, but i am not into this one religion is better than the other nonsense. Won't help the people who have been burned, beheaded and tortured either recently or from hundreds of years ago for being non-Christian or non-Muslim. The extreme Sunnis are much more of a danger today, obviously. But who is to say in 100 years they will have calmed down and some nutty Evangelicals have taken their place on the terror spectrum? But as we're on it - ours is better than theirs.. Technically ours is a derision from theirs, as both Judaism and Islam are Abrahamic faiths. A lot of Christian Mythology actually stems from Islam (the idea of Devils, Lucifer, the War in Heaven etc aren't Christian or Jewish concepts, they're Islamic). When trying to use big words Jamie - please try and use them in the correct context.. Anyhow, Christian Mythology and belief is largely from Islamic, Zoroastrian and Jewish sources. A lot of what forms the mythology of Christianity was appropriated from non-biblical middle eastern sources. Hey listen Jamie - if you ever want to use another big word which you are unsure of, feel free to ping me a quick PM and I will give it the once over for you mate. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty.

There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime.

Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm)

Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground.

Now is rather what matters.

The extreme Sunnis are much more of a danger today, obviously. But who is to say in 100 years they will have calmed down and some nutty Evangelicals have taken their place on the terror spectrum?

But as we're on it - ours is better than theirs..

When trying to use big words Jamie - please try and use them in the correct context..

Hey listen Jamie - if you ever want to use another big word which you are unsure of, feel free to ping me a quick PM and I will give it the once over for you mate.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Dec 15 5.53pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 08 Dec 2015 5.36pm Hey listen Jamie - if you ever want to use another big word which you are unsure of, feel free to ping me a quick PM and I will give it the once over for you mate. Thanks, I'll do that, how long do you think it would be before you could get back to me. I have a report I'm working on, it'll be handy to have someone help me on the definitions. Its going to be no use if it'll take a long time. So anyhow back to the topic, what exactly was your point supposed to be? Edited by jamiemartin721 (08 Dec 2015 5.53pm) "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 08 Dec 2015 5.36pm
Hey listen Jamie - if you ever want to use another big word which you are unsure of, feel free to ping me a quick PM and I will give it the once over for you mate.

Thanks, I'll do that, how long do you think it would be before you could get back to me. I have a report I'm working on, it'll be handy to have someone help me on the definitions.

Its going to be no use if it'll take a long time.

So anyhow back to the topic, what exactly was your point supposed to be?

Edited by jamiemartin721 (08 Dec 2015 5.53pm)

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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 08 Dec 2015 5.36pm Hey listen Jamie - if you ever want to use another big word which you are unsure of, feel free to ping me a quick PM and I will give it the once over for you mate. Being patronising on the internet over someone else's grammar or language rarely makes one look anything other than a bit of a knob. "You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down" FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16
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Hey listen Jamie - if you ever want to use another big word which you are unsure of, feel free to ping me a quick PM and I will give it the once over for you mate.

Being patronising on the internet over someone else's grammar or language rarely makes one look anything other than a bit of a knob.

"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down"
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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Dec 15 6.07pm
Quote Kermit8 at 08 Dec 2015 2.31pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Dec 2015 2.23pm Quote Kermit8 at 08 Dec 2015 2.20pm Quote NickRobinson at 08 Dec 2015 2.12pm 23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty. There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime. Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm) Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground. Now is rather what matters. Of course, but i am not into this one religion is better than the other nonsense. Won't help the people who have been burned, beheaded and tortured either recently or from hundreds of years ago for being non-Christian or non-Muslim. The extreme Sunnis are much more of a danger today, obviously. But who is to say in 100 years they will have calmed down and some nutty Evangelicals have taken their place on the terror spectrum? When it comes to religion there is no better, there is only bonkers. The difference is that most other mainstream religions are currently not predisposed to killing people to defend their dogma. This is not about relative merits, this is about current reality.
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23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty.

There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime.

Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm)

Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground.

Now is rather what matters.

The extreme Sunnis are much more of a danger today, obviously. But who is to say in 100 years they will have calmed down and some nutty Evangelicals have taken their place on the terror spectrum?

When it comes to religion there is no better, there is only bonkers. The difference is that most other mainstream religions are currently not predisposed to killing people to defend their dogma.
This is not about relative merits, this is about current reality.

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