What a surprise your link is to an anti Tory anti Brexit site judging by it's campaigns.

One more point

I acknowledged that their views would not match the majority to be found here but that doesn't mean very much does it? They are real views held by many people. Just not you.

They are certainly anti the current manifestation of the Tory party. Without an effective opposition in Parliament it's vital that others hold these Tories up to scrutiny and expose their shortcomings.

Read what they have to say. You might surprise yourself and find things you agree with.

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I think you are imagining things!

I don't think there is anything self righteous in my comment. It was just pointing out that what was claimed had already been acknowledged and that, whilst I didn't expect too many here to agree with them, they are real views which deserve to be respected every bit as much as yours do.

Your "oblique" comment was just a sarcastic personal dig as is the one above. Rules 4 and 7 anyone?

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Firstly it wasn't anything I "researched". It was sent to me.

That you decide to ignore the "main point" that you think it made, in favour of ridiculing one guy's reply, just because he was proud of his own modest achievement, is actually quite revealing.

The main point is that there are some people close to the centre of our government who appear to hold some distinctly unsavoury views. Unsavoury, at least in my opinion, to most people.

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You reveal even more! It seems that you agree with these unsavoury views!

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There could be other reasons of course and it's an individual's story but your main point is of course correct.

A certain political demographic of the middle classes are so full of disingenuous people that you'd almost think they had been bred for it. In most cases they will be selective over who they themselves breed with just as they are with who they associate with or where they live.....but when it comes to recognising that who you mate with genetically matters their opinions suddenly reflect some 'feels instead of reals' position.

Their mixture of opinions, denial, deconstructions and silence has in fact massively hurt the working classes, because it's pushed the lie that people are 'blank slates' and that if they only tried harder they can achieve anything.......In other words, when they do all that and fail....well, they just didn't try hard enough.

In most cases this is nothing but a lie....a lie they have been fed....well intentioned by some, disingenerous by many. Still even in cases where they believed this nonsense a lie is a lie all the same.....Where the actual truth, early in your life, if handled properly, could be life changing in a positive sense later on. We should be trying to help people in a real sense, not telling people warm words because certainty is difficult and can be obfuscated.

Independent of the wealth of family you are born into IQ correlates to relative levels of success in life.

There has been huge levels of research on this. It's one of the most reliable factors there is. It isn't the only one but statistically it's at the top for being the most true.

As for what form of IQ we are talking about and how it's measured....well those are all valid questions but for now lets assume that we are talking about pattern recogition and solving.

If two people with high IQs mate and produce children the odds of that offspring being around about the same level of intelligence is considerably higher than average.

This is obvious.....It's the same principle that humans used to breed characteristics out of wolves hundreds of thousands of years ago and the same principle we used to breed different characteristics into dogs today.

Going back to humans this is the same with everything else we inherit such as height or arm length....but apparently nature suddenly doesn't do the same for intelligence?.....Bulls***.....feels instead of reals.

Of course variations exist....Just as two tall people can produce a short person, two lower IQs can produce higher ones and all the other variations there after....All this is perfectly normal, it's just less likely.

Plus, a good family culture will of course have a good influence on genes to maximize their potential.....Just as a bad family culture does the opposite...but unfortunately, no matter how much we try we all have a potential that we can't exceed....It's no different to your maximal speed your body can sprint....You can develop an intellect so far but no further.

This is old knowledge and the grammar system is meant to be based upon innate ability......Unfortunately the system has been partly abused because its partial intent was to allow the intelligent from the less financially able to access the better education.....but the system allowed it to be gamed by the middle classes....like they game everything else.

WE has called many a factual statement 'unsavory'. As though how we feel about nature should factor into the truth of what it does.

I truly despise this attitude, it has literally damaged the lives of countless numbers of people by denying the truth to them.

Unfortunately intelligence is not honesty, nor is it wisdom or morality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Feb 2020 12.40am)

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