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Midlands Eagle 05 Feb 20 11.50am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Some groups within a whole society will always think some things are unfair to them. The real question is what is best for the whole. Whether you choose to use the BBC, or not, it is still there and providing a service to the whole and promoting our image and values to the world. That has to be paid for in some way. Firstly I said that he posed the question and not that he thought anything was unfair to him Secondly your comment that the BBC should be funded by everyone whether they used it nor not as the service was there for all to use could equally be applied to prostitution as they are also there for everyone to use too whether you wish to partake of their offerings or not
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Some groups within a whole society will always think some things are unfair to them.

The real question is what is best for the whole. Whether you choose to use the BBC, or not, it is still there and providing a service to the whole and promoting our image and values to the world. That has to be paid for in some way.

Firstly I said that he posed the question and not that he thought anything was unfair to him

Secondly your comment that the BBC should be funded by everyone whether they used it nor not as the service was there for all to use could equally be applied to prostitution as they are also there for everyone to use too whether you wish to partake of their offerings or not

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 05 Feb 20 11.50am
Here we go again. More activism from the BBC... 'My African name stopped me getting job opportunities' [Link]
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Beckenham 05 Feb 20 11.50am

Here we go again. More activism from the BBC...

'My African name stopped me getting job opportunities' [Link]

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W12 05 Feb 20 1.12pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Some groups within a whole society will always think some things are unfair to them. The real question is what is best for the whole. Whether you choose to use the BBC, or not, it is still there and providing a service to the whole and promoting our image and values to the world. That has to be paid for in some way. If we are to avoid governments, of whatever colour, exercising direct influence then the BBC cannot be funded via taxation. If we allow it to raise all of it's funding commercially then we put it at the mercy of commercial pressures. I know many with strong political views, both on the right as can be found here but also on the left as can be found elsewhere, believe that the BBC has a political agenda hostile to them. I would rather the BBC found it's own balance within the rules established by it's charter. The key to that is ensuring that a strong management and oversight team is in place. The questions over the very high salaries being paid to some presenters and whether they can be justified is a separate debate. On balance I thing a licence fee system remains the most sensible answer to achieve what the BBC represents. It will never be popular but the alternatives seem worse. The danger is that in this age of populism the government will again deliver what the people want and not what they need. We need politicians who are brave enough to say no to change when it isn't wise and strong enough to defend such decisions to the people. "promoting our image and values to the world" It's promoting your values, the ones that are already gettng people killed and offers nothing positive to say about the indigenous people of this country or it's history. Quite the opposite.
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W12 05 Feb 20 1.12pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Some groups within a whole society will always think some things are unfair to them.

If we are to avoid governments, of whatever colour, exercising direct influence then the BBC cannot be funded via taxation.

If we allow it to raise all of it's funding commercially then we put it at the mercy of commercial pressures.

I know many with strong political views, both on the right as can be found here but also on the left as can be found elsewhere, believe that the BBC has a political agenda hostile to them. I would rather the BBC found it's own balance within the rules established by it's charter. The key to that is ensuring that a strong management and oversight team is in place.

The questions over the very high salaries being paid to some presenters and whether they can be justified is a separate debate.

On balance I thing a licence fee system remains the most sensible answer to achieve what the BBC represents. It will never be popular but the alternatives seem worse. The danger is that in this age of populism the government will again deliver what the people want and not what they need.

We need politicians who are brave enough to say no to change when it isn't wise and strong enough to defend such decisions to the people.

"promoting our image and values to the world"

It's promoting your values, the ones that are already gettng people killed and offers nothing positive to say about the indigenous people of this country or it's history. Quite the opposite.

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Midlands Eagle 05 Feb 20 1.40pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Here we go again. More activism from the BBC... 'My African name stopped me getting job opportunities' [Link] Yet Hashi Mohamed who arrived here as a six year old from Somalia unable to speak a word of English is now a 36 year old barrister and broadcaster who has just had a book published. It seems that his Muslim name and African heritage didn't stop him from getting on in life. I listened to him being interviewed on Radio 5 yesterday
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Midlands Eagle

05 Feb 20 1.40pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Here we go again. More activism from the BBC...

'My African name stopped me getting job opportunities' [Link]

Yet Hashi Mohamed who arrived here as a six year old from Somalia unable to speak a word of English is now a 36 year old barrister and broadcaster who has just had a book published.

It seems that his Muslim name and African heritage didn't stop him from getting on in life.

I listened to him being interviewed on Radio 5 yesterday

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Stirlingsays 05 Feb 20 1.42pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Here we go again. More activism from the BBC... 'My African name stopped me getting job opportunities' [Link] So change it love. Now toddle off and make me a ham and pickle sandwich. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Feb 20 1.42pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Here we go again. More activism from the BBC...

'My African name stopped me getting job opportunities' [Link]

So change it love.

Now toddle off and make me a ham and pickle sandwich.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Badger11 Beckenham 05 Feb 20 2.10pm
For those who are interested this is the government consultation. [Link] I decided to restrict my comments to the specific subject of decriminalising the licence fee rather than a general whinge on scrapping it. Essentially my response was this: 1. It is a regressive tax that unfairly targets the poor and women. 2. Non payment of council tax is not a criminal offence this also applies to utility bills the licence fee should be brought in line with those. 3. Each year over 100,00 people are convicted of non payment and whilst most don't go to gaol they do receive a criminal conviction which may hurt their job prospects. 4. It is very difficult to prove in court that you are not breaking the law. According to the figures in the addendum around 129,000 cases with over 100,000 convictions. Anybody who watches live TV or records it without a licence is guilty even if they never watch the BBC so unless you do not have the equipment the default appears to be you are guilty until proven innocent. The government made it clear this is not about scrapping the licence and to that point I held true until they asked what is the best way of avoiding non payment if it was decriminalised. I couldn't resist saying "scrap the licence, problem solved". One more point
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For those who are interested this is the government consultation.

[Link]

I decided to restrict my comments to the specific subject of decriminalising the licence fee rather than a general whinge on scrapping it.

Essentially my response was this:

1. It is a regressive tax that unfairly targets the poor and women.
2. Non payment of council tax is not a criminal offence this also applies to utility bills the licence fee should be brought in line with those.
3. Each year over 100,00 people are convicted of non payment and whilst most don't go to gaol they do receive a criminal conviction which may hurt their job prospects.
4. It is very difficult to prove in court that you are not breaking the law. According to the figures in the addendum around 129,000 cases with over 100,000 convictions. Anybody who watches live TV or records it without a licence is guilty even if they never watch the BBC so unless you do not have the equipment the default appears to be you are guilty until proven innocent.

The government made it clear this is not about scrapping the licence and to that point I held true until they asked what is the best way of avoiding non payment if it was decriminalised. I couldn't resist saying "scrap the licence, problem solved".

One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Feb 20 2.23pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Firstly I said that he posed the question and not that he thought anything was unfair to him Secondly your comment that the BBC should be funded by everyone whether they used it nor not as the service was there for all to use could equally be applied to prostitution as they are also there for everyone to use too whether you wish to partake of their offerings or not If you think that the values represented by the BBC, which are accepted as British and admired around the world, are equivalent to prostitution then I question the basis of your own value judgements. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 05 Feb 20 2.23pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Firstly I said that he posed the question and not that he thought anything was unfair to him

If you think that the values represented by the BBC, which are accepted as British and admired around the world, are equivalent to prostitution then I question the basis of your own value judgements.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Feb 20 2.27pm
Originally posted by W12 "promoting our image and values to the world" It's promoting your values, the ones that are already gettng people killed and offers nothing positive to say about the indigenous people of this country or it's history. Quite the opposite. Sorry but I think that's just wrong. I think you are describing YOUR own values which are those of a minority, albeit a significant minority. The BBC takes a more inclusive approach and promotes the whole and not just the piece you approve of. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 05 Feb 20 2.27pm

Originally posted by W12

"promoting our image and values to the world"

It's promoting your values, the ones that are already gettng people killed and offers nothing positive to say about the indigenous people of this country or it's history. Quite the opposite.

Sorry but I think that's just wrong.

I think you are describing YOUR own values which are those of a minority, albeit a significant minority.

The BBC takes a more inclusive approach and promotes the whole and not just the piece you approve of.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Badger11 Beckenham 05 Feb 20 5.34pm
BBC Response to the licence review "The BBC is the most-used media organisation in the UK. It reaches the most people. It’s used for the most time. You wouldn’t think that from some of the things being said today.” That's right the BBC is so beloved by the public it has to force them with threats of gaol time if they don't pay their compulsory tax. One more point
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BBC Response to the licence review

"The BBC is the most-used media organisation in the UK. It reaches the most people. It’s used for the most time. You wouldn’t think that from some of the things being said today.”

That's right the BBC is so beloved by the public it has to force them with threats of gaol time if they don't pay their compulsory tax.

One more point

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PalazioVecchio south pole 05 Feb 20 6.45pm
are the BBC on a permanent 'high alert' for some inequality or other injustice ? why dont they make a fuss about the lack of gender inequality in every divorce settlement ? Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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are the BBC on a permanent 'high alert' for some inequality or other injustice ?

why dont they make a fuss about the lack of gender inequality in every divorce settlement ?

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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PalazioVecchio south pole 05 Feb 20 6.46pm
Originally posted by Badger11 the BBC is so beloved by the public it has to force them with threats of gaol time if they don't pay their compulsory tax. Arthur Conan Doyle ? Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 05 Feb 20 6.46pm

Originally posted by Badger11

the BBC is so beloved by the public it has to force them with threats of gaol time if they don't pay their compulsory tax.

Arthur Conan Doyle ?

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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W12 05 Feb 20 8.21pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Sorry but I think that's just wrong. I think you are describing YOUR own values which are those of a minority, albeit a significant minority. The BBC takes a more inclusive approach and promotes the whole and not just the piece you approve of. "you are describing YOUR own values which are those of a minority" "The BBC takes a more inclusive approach" By not including the views of what you describe as "a significant minority"? Please explain how that works.
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W12 05 Feb 20 8.21pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Sorry but I think that's just wrong.

I think you are describing YOUR own values which are those of a minority, albeit a significant minority.

The BBC takes a more inclusive approach and promotes the whole and not just the piece you approve of.

"you are describing YOUR own values which are those of a minority"

"The BBC takes a more inclusive approach"

By not including the views of what you describe as "a significant minority"?

Please explain how that works.

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