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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 06 Mar 21 1.51pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Hodgson was a top manager of England.

Played 53

Won 25

Drew 13

Lost only 5.

The only place we would be going without him is the championship and it would be a battle to stay in that.

How do you know that. Yet another glib comment about Roy’s supposed super powers. He’s an average manager that’s got us playing full defensive football. I really don’t understand all the celebration and praise.

 

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 06 Mar 21 1.56pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

An alternative view on Hodgson’s England career.
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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 06 Mar 21 2.08pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Or this article. Read both of these if you want to understand why I and many others have never liked Roy as a manager.

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 06 Mar 21 2.15pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

How do you know that. Yet another glib comment about Roy’s supposed super powers. He’s an average manager that’s got us playing full defensive football. I really don’t understand all the celebration and praise.


Opinions, opinions. Hodgson certainly isn't a super manager, but only average? Average managers don't get to manage at the level Hodgson has for as long as he has. He's a good manager IMO but not a great one. Again, IMO, he's better than many of those who have been proposed as replacements.

We did play a more expansive style under Hodgson in the first couple of years but now with the squad older and slower, options are fewer and will remain so until we have a better, younger, fitter and quicker squad.

For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not one of those who thinks that only Hodgson can keep us up. I'm happy to see the Board go for someone else, just hope it will be someone who can cope with the difficult situation we will face in the summer window.

 

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Putitout Flag Oxford 06 Mar 21 2.25pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Opinions, opinions. Hodgson certainly isn't a super manager, but only average? Average managers don't get to manage at the level Hodgson has for as long as he has. He's a good manager IMO but not a great one. Again, IMO, he's better than many of those who have been proposed as replacements.

We did play a more expansive style under Hodgson in the first couple of years but now with the squad older and slower, options are fewer and will remain so until we have a better, younger, fitter and quicker squad.

For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not one of those who thinks that only Hodgson can keep us up. I'm happy to see the Board go for someone else, just hope it will be someone who can cope with the difficult situation we will face in the summer window.


In simple terms, almost every time we have tried to get into an expansive way of competing this year, against teams that operate that game with some success, and this includes having Wilf, on board , we have come unstuck. And seriously unstuck.
As you say, two seasons ago we had started to show it could happen.
Players were asked for to rubber stamp it, it didn’t happen.
Even if Hodgson, was a super manager our. future in this league would be no better insured than it is now.

 

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 06 Mar 21 2.58pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout


In simple terms, almost every time we have tried to get into an expansive way of competing this year, against teams that operate that game with some success, and this includes having Wilf, on board , we have come unstuck. And seriously unstuck.
As you say, two seasons ago we had started to show it could happen.
Players were asked for to rubber stamp it, it didn’t happen.
Even if Hodgson, was a super manager our. future in this league would be no better insured than it is now.

There is a massive gap between dull and expansive, highlighted simply by the two draws against Fulham and Man Utd.

One was infinitely more entertaining and watchable than the other and yet it was Roy who told us that Fulham was a must not lose game therefore super dull whereas he probably looked at the Man Utd game as a hiding to nothing so approached it in a different way and surprise surprise he got the same result.

This is why I think we are hampered rather than helped by his tactics. He is naturally negative in his outlook and that has to impact players over time which is well described in the above articles.

Edited by Eaglecoops (06 Mar 2021 3.00pm)

 

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Putitout Flag Oxford 06 Mar 21 4.01pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

There is a massive gap between dull and expansive, highlighted simply by the two draws against Fulham and Man Utd.

One was infinitely more entertaining and watchable than the other and yet it was Roy who told us that Fulham was a must not lose game therefore super dull whereas he probably looked at the Man Utd game as a hiding to nothing so approached it in a different way and surprise surprise he got the same result.

This is why I think we are hampered rather than helped by his tactics. He is naturally negative in his outlook and that has to impact players over time which is well described in the above articles.

Edited by Eaglecoops (06 Mar 2021 3.00pm)


it’s easy to see what you expect from Palace. But It was dull to say the least to have possession for a change in games such as, W Ham, Villa, and Burnley, and witness how far behind them we were, after being well out scored by them. If you are not getting it right in football you go back to basics, if you want to salvage anything. You don’t think oh dear keep going the fans don’t care if we go down as long as we keep the game open.
Man U are second in the table, scored 53 goals doing it. Of course he sent them out to take care. No one goes out to be negative as you put it. But you don’t go out to get beat because you cant recognise your own frailties. Quiet honestly if United had pressed as Brighton, or even Fulham, had done, my feeling is we would not have coped, let alone moved the ball a little better than just recently.
As for the articles ,just more opinion, nothing else. Roy’s total record speaks for its self. There are few in the game that have no critics ,from within the game, in print or otherwise, hear say or fact, no matter how well they ever actually have done

Edited by Putitout (06 Mar 2021 4.09pm)

 

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 06 Mar 21 6.33pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout


it’s easy to see what you expect from Palace. But It was dull to say the least to have possession for a change in games such as, W Ham, Villa, and Burnley, and witness how far behind them we were, after being well out scored by them. If you are not getting it right in football you go back to basics, if you want to salvage anything. You don’t think oh dear keep going the fans don’t care if we go down as long as we keep the game open.
Man U are second in the table, scored 53 goals doing it. Of course he sent them out to take care. No one goes out to be negative as you put it. But you don’t go out to get beat because you cant recognise your own frailties. Quiet honestly if United had pressed as Brighton, or even Fulham, had done, my feeling is we would not have coped, let alone moved the ball a little better than just recently.
As for the articles ,just more opinion, nothing else. Roy’s total record speaks for its self. There are few in the game that have no critics ,from within the game, in print or otherwise, hear say or fact, no matter how well they ever actually have done

Edited by Putitout (06 Mar 2021 4.09pm)

You have missed my point about Roy being an overly cautious manager with negative tactics. I do find it odd though that you acknowledge Roy for setting us up as he did against Fulham for a dull draw but blame Manchester for allowing us to draw with them. Do you not think perhaps he said to the players, sit in against Fulham, have a go against Utd? That would have made perfect sense based on his post match interviews.

With regard to his stats, This is the the same Roy who has not won a major trophy in 45 years of management and whose greatest managerial success was runner up in the UEFA cup.

He is the only manager to ever have had a negative goal difference as a manager at Liverpool and whose parting shot when he left England was to say that he had over estimated how much the players understood what he told them. You do kind of wonder why when he goes sight seeing when they were supposed to be preparing for a match.

His record as an England manager was mostly gained against third rate countries in qualifying so the numbers do not tell the full story. To quote another piece on him from then,

“The Hodgefather seemed a breath of fresh air compared to stern dinosaur Capello. He took charge in three major tournaments and was undefeated in qualifying games (16 wins, four draws).

The trouble is, England’s displays declined in each tournament. Euro 2012 had an entertaining 3-2 win over Sweden as England topped their group. Yet the 2014 World Cup saw England out after two games, before things somehow got even worse at Euro 2016.”

The acid test is of course the knock out stages of major competitions and he hardly impressed there.

I suppose the icing on the cake is when he compared his own success in management as similar to that of Sir Alex Ferguson who after all has won nothing! Longevity is probably the only similarity of the two.

I am sorry, but we obviously disagree majorly over his abilities at the top level.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Mar 21 6.59pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

You have missed my point about Roy being an overly cautious manager with negative tactics. I do find it odd though that you acknowledge Roy for setting us up as he did against Fulham for a dull draw but blame Manchester for allowing us to draw with them. Do you not think perhaps he said to the players, sit in against Fulham, have a go against Utd? That would have made perfect sense based on his post match interviews.

With regard to his stats, This is the the same Roy who has not won a major trophy in 45 years of management and whose greatest managerial success was runner up in the UEFA cup.

He is the only manager to ever have had a negative goal difference as a manager at Liverpool and whose parting shot when he left England was to say that he had over estimated how much the players understood what he told them. You do kind of wonder why when he goes sight seeing when they were supposed to be preparing for a match.

His record as an England manager was mostly gained against third rate countries in qualifying so the numbers do not tell the full story. To quote another piece on him from then,

“The Hodgefather seemed a breath of fresh air compared to stern dinosaur Capello. He took charge in three major tournaments and was undefeated in qualifying games (16 wins, four draws).

The trouble is, England’s displays declined in each tournament. Euro 2012 had an entertaining 3-2 win over Sweden as England topped their group. Yet the 2014 World Cup saw England out after two games, before things somehow got even worse at Euro 2016.”

The acid test is of course the knock out stages of major competitions and he hardly impressed there.

I suppose the icing on the cake is when he compared his own success in management as similar to that of Sir Alex Ferguson who after all has won nothing! Longevity is probably the only similarity of the two.

I am sorry, but we obviously disagree majorly over his abilities at the top level.

In terms of major trophies, Mr Hodgson spent a few years managing in Denmark, Switzerland and Sweden which of course don't possess major leagues but during his time in these countries he did win leagues and cups for teams he was managing.
He also managed both Inter Milan and Fulham to European finals.

Apropos Liverpool he took over a team which finished 7th in the PL the season before, some 23 pts behind the Champions Chelsea so they failed to qualify for the Champions League.When Mr Hodgson took charge he got them to the Europa League 'Round of 32' being unbeaten on the way but he had left Liverpool before they competed in this round.

 

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PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 06 Mar 21 7.02pm Send a Private Message to PZ Eagle Add PZ Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

How do you know that. Yet another glib comment about Roy’s supposed super powers. He’s an average manager that’s got us playing full defensive football. I really don’t understand all the celebration and praise.

You might if you actually knew anything about football..

 


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Putitout Flag Oxford 06 Mar 21 7.18pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

You have missed my point about Roy being an overly cautious manager with negative tactics. I do find it odd though that you acknowledge Roy for setting us up as he did against Fulham for a dull draw but blame Manchester for allowing us to draw with them. Do you not think perhaps he said to the players, sit in against Fulham, have a go against Utd? That would have made perfect sense based on his post match interviews.

With regard to his stats, This is the the same Roy who has not won a major trophy in 45 years of management and whose greatest managerial success was runner up in the UEFA cup.

He is the only manager to ever have had a negative goal difference as a manager at Liverpool and whose parting shot when he left England was to say that he had over estimated how much the players understood what he told them. You do kind of wonder why when he goes sight seeing when they were supposed to be preparing for a match.

His record as an England manager was mostly gained against third rate countries in qualifying so the numbers do not tell the full story. To quote another piece on him from then,

“The Hodgefather seemed a breath of fresh air compared to stern dinosaur Capello. He took charge in three major tournaments and was undefeated in qualifying games (16 wins, four draws).

The trouble is, England’s displays declined in each tournament. Euro 2012 had an entertaining 3-2 win over Sweden as England topped their group. Yet the 2014 World Cup saw England out after two games, before things somehow got even worse at Euro 2016.”

The acid test is of course the knock out stages of major competitions and he hardly impressed there.

I suppose the icing on the cake is when he compared his own success in management as similar to that of Sir Alex Ferguson who after all has won nothing! Longevity is probably the only similarity of the two.

I am sorry, but we obviously disagree majorly over his abilities at the top level.

Well , as you want the bar set at the very highest level, it isn’t hard for you to ignore his achievements in the most unlikely of situations around Europe, and also here .
I have said he isn’t the best manager that there has been. But my god , how his work with Malmo, taking little Switzerland to a World Cup final , saving Inters, bacon, taking little old Fulham to a major European final, giving W Brom there best seasons in recent times, .Without the job he has done in keeping us in the top division, in the process beating and sharing points with more of the top teams in England, than at any other time in our history.
And doing no worse than a whole procession of England Managers, until the man in the job now. Can say anything other than this bloke , knows a thing or two about the game.
His own words were that the team went out to have a go with Fulham, Fulham, proved to good ,at applying the press on us and he admitted it was a case of defend that as best as was needed. In other words in the nicest way he was saying his team were not good enough to compete any other way. And that’s the point they haven’t been for some time, and the board have done little in four years of being asked to to improve the squad, Hence the comment he made that of the team that beat Chelsea , his first big win, in his first season only Cabaye wasn’t still in the squad, it speaks for its self. All squads go backwards, and ours certainly has.
ManU were a different kettle of fish as you might expect, they didn’t press any where near as well, it would seem they didn’t think it was needed. They were wrong, we ended up with more room to move the ball. It was still United, though, and we didn’t have enough to really hurt them. If we could we would have, and Roy would have wanted it , once again he said as much, like a benevolent father he wasn’t prepared to be critical in public, but it was just another example of the limitations in the side. I know we won’t agree on Hodgson, but there are not many if any out there that are in Palaces range ,better than the old boy.
It will be a fine day when the likes of Sir Alex,, would find Palace, an attractive proposition. The club needs to smarten up just to improve on Hodgson.

 

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rikz Flag Croydon 06 Mar 21 10.42pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Hodgson was a top manager of England.

Played 53

Won 25

Drew 13

Lost only 5.

The only place we would be going without him is the championship and it would be a battle to stay in that.

Laughable using his England record to defend him, most would have been lesser teams in qualifying for tournaments and friendlies, how many of them were against San Marino, lichtenstein, Andorra etc

 

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