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Eaglecoops CR3 06 Mar 21 1.51pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Hodgson was a top manager of England. Played 53 Won 25 Drew 13 Lost only 5. The only place we would be going without him is the championship and it would be a battle to stay in that. How do you know that. Yet another glib comment about Roy’s supposed super powers. He’s an average manager that’s got us playing full defensive football. I really don’t understand all the celebration and praise.
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Eaglecoops CR3 06 Mar 21 1.56pm | |
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An alternative view on Hodgson’s England career.
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Eaglecoops CR3 06 Mar 21 2.08pm | |
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Or this article. Read both of these if you want to understand why I and many others have never liked Roy as a manager.
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 06 Mar 21 2.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
How do you know that. Yet another glib comment about Roy’s supposed super powers. He’s an average manager that’s got us playing full defensive football. I really don’t understand all the celebration and praise.
We did play a more expansive style under Hodgson in the first couple of years but now with the squad older and slower, options are fewer and will remain so until we have a better, younger, fitter and quicker squad. For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not one of those who thinks that only Hodgson can keep us up. I'm happy to see the Board go for someone else, just hope it will be someone who can cope with the difficult situation we will face in the summer window.
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Putitout Oxford 06 Mar 21 2.25pm | |
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Originally posted by doombear
We did play a more expansive style under Hodgson in the first couple of years but now with the squad older and slower, options are fewer and will remain so until we have a better, younger, fitter and quicker squad. For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not one of those who thinks that only Hodgson can keep us up. I'm happy to see the Board go for someone else, just hope it will be someone who can cope with the difficult situation we will face in the summer window.
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Eaglecoops CR3 06 Mar 21 2.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Putitout
There is a massive gap between dull and expansive, highlighted simply by the two draws against Fulham and Man Utd. One was infinitely more entertaining and watchable than the other and yet it was Roy who told us that Fulham was a must not lose game therefore super dull whereas he probably looked at the Man Utd game as a hiding to nothing so approached it in a different way and surprise surprise he got the same result. This is why I think we are hampered rather than helped by his tactics. He is naturally negative in his outlook and that has to impact players over time which is well described in the above articles. Edited by Eaglecoops (06 Mar 2021 3.00pm)
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Putitout Oxford 06 Mar 21 4.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
There is a massive gap between dull and expansive, highlighted simply by the two draws against Fulham and Man Utd. One was infinitely more entertaining and watchable than the other and yet it was Roy who told us that Fulham was a must not lose game therefore super dull whereas he probably looked at the Man Utd game as a hiding to nothing so approached it in a different way and surprise surprise he got the same result. This is why I think we are hampered rather than helped by his tactics. He is naturally negative in his outlook and that has to impact players over time which is well described in the above articles. Edited by Eaglecoops (06 Mar 2021 3.00pm)
Edited by Putitout (06 Mar 2021 4.09pm)
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Eaglecoops CR3 06 Mar 21 6.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Putitout
Edited by Putitout (06 Mar 2021 4.09pm) You have missed my point about Roy being an overly cautious manager with negative tactics. I do find it odd though that you acknowledge Roy for setting us up as he did against Fulham for a dull draw but blame Manchester for allowing us to draw with them. Do you not think perhaps he said to the players, sit in against Fulham, have a go against Utd? That would have made perfect sense based on his post match interviews. With regard to his stats, This is the the same Roy who has not won a major trophy in 45 years of management and whose greatest managerial success was runner up in the UEFA cup. He is the only manager to ever have had a negative goal difference as a manager at Liverpool and whose parting shot when he left England was to say that he had over estimated how much the players understood what he told them. You do kind of wonder why when he goes sight seeing when they were supposed to be preparing for a match. His record as an England manager was mostly gained against third rate countries in qualifying so the numbers do not tell the full story. To quote another piece on him from then, “The Hodgefather seemed a breath of fresh air compared to stern dinosaur Capello. He took charge in three major tournaments and was undefeated in qualifying games (16 wins, four draws). The trouble is, England’s displays declined in each tournament. Euro 2012 had an entertaining 3-2 win over Sweden as England topped their group. Yet the 2014 World Cup saw England out after two games, before things somehow got even worse at Euro 2016.” The acid test is of course the knock out stages of major competitions and he hardly impressed there. I suppose the icing on the cake is when he compared his own success in management as similar to that of Sir Alex Ferguson who after all has won nothing! Longevity is probably the only similarity of the two. I am sorry, but we obviously disagree majorly over his abilities at the top level.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Mar 21 6.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
You have missed my point about Roy being an overly cautious manager with negative tactics. I do find it odd though that you acknowledge Roy for setting us up as he did against Fulham for a dull draw but blame Manchester for allowing us to draw with them. Do you not think perhaps he said to the players, sit in against Fulham, have a go against Utd? That would have made perfect sense based on his post match interviews. With regard to his stats, This is the the same Roy who has not won a major trophy in 45 years of management and whose greatest managerial success was runner up in the UEFA cup. He is the only manager to ever have had a negative goal difference as a manager at Liverpool and whose parting shot when he left England was to say that he had over estimated how much the players understood what he told them. You do kind of wonder why when he goes sight seeing when they were supposed to be preparing for a match. His record as an England manager was mostly gained against third rate countries in qualifying so the numbers do not tell the full story. To quote another piece on him from then, “The Hodgefather seemed a breath of fresh air compared to stern dinosaur Capello. He took charge in three major tournaments and was undefeated in qualifying games (16 wins, four draws). The trouble is, England’s displays declined in each tournament. Euro 2012 had an entertaining 3-2 win over Sweden as England topped their group. Yet the 2014 World Cup saw England out after two games, before things somehow got even worse at Euro 2016.” The acid test is of course the knock out stages of major competitions and he hardly impressed there. I suppose the icing on the cake is when he compared his own success in management as similar to that of Sir Alex Ferguson who after all has won nothing! Longevity is probably the only similarity of the two. I am sorry, but we obviously disagree majorly over his abilities at the top level. In terms of major trophies, Mr Hodgson spent a few years managing in Denmark, Switzerland and Sweden which of course don't possess major leagues but during his time in these countries he did win leagues and cups for teams he was managing. Apropos Liverpool he took over a team which finished 7th in the PL the season before, some 23 pts behind the Champions Chelsea so they failed to qualify for the Champions League.When Mr Hodgson took charge he got them to the Europa League 'Round of 32' being unbeaten on the way but he had left Liverpool before they competed in this round.
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PZ Eagle Penzance 06 Mar 21 7.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
How do you know that. Yet another glib comment about Roy’s supposed super powers. He’s an average manager that’s got us playing full defensive football. I really don’t understand all the celebration and praise. You might if you actually knew anything about football..
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Putitout Oxford 06 Mar 21 7.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
You have missed my point about Roy being an overly cautious manager with negative tactics. I do find it odd though that you acknowledge Roy for setting us up as he did against Fulham for a dull draw but blame Manchester for allowing us to draw with them. Do you not think perhaps he said to the players, sit in against Fulham, have a go against Utd? That would have made perfect sense based on his post match interviews. With regard to his stats, This is the the same Roy who has not won a major trophy in 45 years of management and whose greatest managerial success was runner up in the UEFA cup. He is the only manager to ever have had a negative goal difference as a manager at Liverpool and whose parting shot when he left England was to say that he had over estimated how much the players understood what he told them. You do kind of wonder why when he goes sight seeing when they were supposed to be preparing for a match. His record as an England manager was mostly gained against third rate countries in qualifying so the numbers do not tell the full story. To quote another piece on him from then, “The Hodgefather seemed a breath of fresh air compared to stern dinosaur Capello. He took charge in three major tournaments and was undefeated in qualifying games (16 wins, four draws). The trouble is, England’s displays declined in each tournament. Euro 2012 had an entertaining 3-2 win over Sweden as England topped their group. Yet the 2014 World Cup saw England out after two games, before things somehow got even worse at Euro 2016.” The acid test is of course the knock out stages of major competitions and he hardly impressed there. I suppose the icing on the cake is when he compared his own success in management as similar to that of Sir Alex Ferguson who after all has won nothing! Longevity is probably the only similarity of the two. I am sorry, but we obviously disagree majorly over his abilities at the top level. Well , as you want the bar set at the very highest level, it isn’t hard for you to ignore his achievements in the most unlikely of situations around Europe, and also here .
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rikz Croydon 06 Mar 21 10.42pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Hodgson was a top manager of England. Played 53 Won 25 Drew 13 Lost only 5. The only place we would be going without him is the championship and it would be a battle to stay in that. Laughable using his England record to defend him, most would have been lesser teams in qualifying for tournaments and friendlies, how many of them were against San Marino, lichtenstein, Andorra etc
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