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 Tickled pink  Cornwall 08 Nov 20 4.49pm |
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Originally posted by Phil’s Barber
Agreed, last season they demonstrated that there is up to a 14cm ‘margin of error’ because of the freeze frame technology and the distance travelled between frames. You also can’t rely on it for fine margins when the camera is at an angle and not in line with the last defender (as per the position of the linesman / Assistant Referee) - such as our game yesterday against Leeds. With the camera at an angle the drawing of the lines is guesswork at best. If it is to be used for offsides then there needs to be two further cameras on rails either side of the pitch, as in athletics when they track alongside the 100 metres sprint for example. You will then have more chance of drawing the lines accurately and also reduce the possibility of a player, such as Kouyate yesterday, being obscured from view by the camera angle. I don’t advocate this BTW, I would much rather it be binned at the earliest opportunity, but if it is to be persisted with for offsides, the technology and its accuracy need to improve dramatically. Edited by Phil’s Barber (08 Nov 2020 3.00pm) Yes it is impossible to have such accuracy on an uneven muddy playing surface, the way they are using VAR requires a laboratory in space lol, I see Leicester scored against Wolves today with exactly the same incident that clobbered us (Joel Ward against Everton) it is a horrible mess.
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| Phil’s Barber Crowborough 08 Nov 20 5.31pm |
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Originally posted by Tickled pink
Yes it is impossible to have such accuracy on an uneven muddy playing surface, the way they are using VAR requires a laboratory in space lol, I see Leicester scored against Wolves today with exactly the same incident that clobbered us (Joel Ward against Everton) it is a horrible mess.
They wouldn’t try and establish an LBW decision in cricket with Hawkeye cameras positioned at Long On / Long Off or Deep Mid-Wicket, so why are we trying to use a camera situated near the halfway line to adjudicate on off-side decisions in the penalty box?!
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 08 Nov 20 5.54pm |
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Originally posted by Phil’s Barber
They wouldn’t try and establish an LBW decision in cricket with Hawkeye cameras positioned at Long On / Long Off or Deep Mid-Wicket, so why are we trying to use a camera situated near the halfway line to adjudicate on off-side decisions in the penalty box?! I think more goes into VAR than you realise. "Why do VAR lines sometimes look not straight? A lot of it is down to the camera angle and perspective. Unless a broadcast camera is perfectly in line with the last defender, the camera angle can make him appear to be further back or forward than he is in reality of the horizontal line drawn." I'd like to see it scrapped anyway though.
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| Phil’s Barber Crowborough 08 Nov 20 7.23pm |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
I think more goes into VAR than you realise. "Why do VAR lines sometimes look not straight? A lot of it is down to the camera angle and perspective. Unless a broadcast camera is perfectly in line with the last defender, the camera angle can make him appear to be further back or forward than he is in reality of the horizontal line drawn."
Yes, in a lot of circumstances a set of cameras not in direct line with the last defender will still give a good enough idea of whether the attacker was offside or not but I genuinely believe they never intended the system to adjudicate over toes and armpits and other such fine margins. It was intended to show quickly the clear and obvious wrong decisions that were made from time to time...not the ultra fine margins that we have seen them trying to decide on. The technology they are using just isn’t advanced or refined enough for it to be adjudicating over fine margins of a few centimetre’s, as such VAR should not be used in those circumstances until it is. It was interesting to hear them on MOTD last night saying that their public poll showed 70% of respondents were in favour of dropping VAR altogether. BTW...apologies this has momentarily deviated from the subject matter of Eze, who FWIW I thought was very good yesterday and I reckon we have one hell of a player on our hands. Edited by Phil’s Barber (08 Nov 2020 7.29pm)
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| slubglurge welling 08 Nov 20 7.29pm |
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All offsides should be judged by the position of the players feet
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| Phil’s Barber Crowborough 08 Nov 20 7.32pm |
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Originally posted by slubglurge
All offsides should be judged by the position of the players feet
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| Tickled pink Cornwall 08 Nov 20 7.41pm |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
I think more goes into VAR than you realise. "Why do VAR lines sometimes look not straight? A lot of it is down to the camera angle and perspective. Unless a broadcast camera is perfectly in line with the last defender, the camera angle can make him appear to be further back or forward than he is in reality of the horizontal line drawn." I'd like to see it scrapped anyway though. Interesting thanks I will not question offsides any more no matter how stupid and ridiculous they appear
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I'd like to know though how they came to the conclusion that last season Sakho handled the ball with his shoulder and how exactly they decided this season that Joel Ward deliberately handled the ball and in doing so prevented Everton a free shot at our goal, that would be nice. | Tickled pink Cornwall 08 Nov 20 7.48pm |
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Originally posted by dynamicdick
Have to disagree with our fortunate 3rd, that was a cracking pass from Zaha and our play forced the error.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 08 Nov 20 9.37pm |
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Originally posted by Tickled pink
Interesting thanks I will not question offsides any more no matter how stupid and ridiculous they appear Question it as much as you wish. But the rules/laws are there to be interpreted. I question it all the time, but it matters not a jot. The rules/laws, from last season were clarified. Tee-shirt area is ok now. The handball thing is ridiculous, but if that is the rule/law, so be it. It will be changed as it is clearly ridiculous. I'm not arguing with you by the way, VAR is not fit for purpose in my opinion. But if they are the rules/laws that govern the game, we are stuck with it for now.
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| doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 08 Nov 20 11.01pm |
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Excuse me but I thought this post was about our brilliant young player called Eze NOT about VAR and Bamford or am I missing something?
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jeeagles  09 Nov 20 12.09am |
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Originally posted by slubglurge
All offsides should be judged by the position of the players feet This is the rule everyone wants. The handball rule is more palatable as it takes away decision from the ref. I’d disagree with Tim about interpretation of the rules, that’s where they come unstuck. Keep them simple and straight forward with no messing around. Make it a binary decision. The law is a blunt instrument - seems obvious, but so many people can’t seem to grasp it. A judge will never rule someone a bit guilty.
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Teddy Eagle  09 Nov 20 12.17am |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
This is the rule everyone wants. The handball rule is more palatable as it takes away decision from the ref. I’d disagree with Tim about interpretation of the rules, that’s where they come unstuck. Keep them simple and straight forward with no messing around. Make it a binary decision. The law is a blunt instrument - seems obvious, but so many people can’t seem to grasp it. A judge will never rule someone a bit guilty. But there are no suspended sentences in football. It’s either a goal/penalty/card or it isn’t.
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