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jamiemartin721  Reading 22 Feb 16 3.56pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
What street cleaners are these Jamie? They don't come round here... if I want tins, bottles, crisp packets picked up I do it myself. Councils keep making cuts to so called front line services - they only empty my dustbin every 2 weeks now! Why not "employ" the unemployed to tidy our streets? What else are they doing? We have some, admittedly not as many as we used to have, largely thanks to people on community service doing jobs that the council used to pay people to do. Similarly, you see the same thing with charities - jobs that used to involve employing people in local function, being replaced by volunteers. If we actually employed the people currently in these kinds of jobs to direct this initiative, I think it might be viable. Problem is, as soon as you 'introduce free workers' the local authorities use that rather than pay someone to do the job.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Feb 16 4.05pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
more psycho babble
Just get them off their arses and doing stuff rather than making it easy to drop out and still lead a cushy life. So except for it putting people out of work, costing more, creating a black market, requiring a complex bureaucracy to implement, being utterly inflexible and massively open to abuse. I'd agree if there was a surplus of jobs, that paid a reasonable wage, rather than the actual situation where jobs actually are less viable than being unemployed - Which is not because unemployment pays well, but because employment doesn't even reach the actual cost of living. No one on benefits lives what I would call a cushy life - A subsistence existence at best.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Feb 16 9.35pm |
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The following account was posted in the comments section of the Guardian website: My friend wasn’t alone, he was part of twelve extra staff taken on to cover the xmas rush, no one was given a job at the end of the xmas period. He told me they had all worked really hard and were gutted they were abused in such a way. The worst was one day he had to throw out lots of food one day over the use by date. He asked the manager if he could take some home as he was having to eat more due to being active all day. The manager refused saying if he gave him free food he wouldn’t come through the front door and buy it! Also see [Link]
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 chris123 hove actually 22 Feb 16 10.40pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
The following account was posted in the comments section of the Guardian website: My friend wasn’t alone, he was part of twelve extra staff taken on to cover the xmas rush, no one was given a job at the end of the xmas period. He told me they had all worked really hard and were gutted they were abused in such a way. The worst was one day he had to throw out lots of food one day over the use by date. He asked the manager if he could take some home as he was having to eat more due to being active all day. The manager refused saying if he gave him free food he wouldn’t come through the front door and buy it! Also see [Link] This relates to having to work in order to retain benefits I assume?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Feb 16 10.50pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
This relates to having to work in order to retain benefits I assume? Yes, under IDS's workfare scheme.
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| Hoof Hearted 22 Feb 16 10.53pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
So except for it putting people out of work, costing more, creating a black market, requiring a complex bureaucracy to implement, being utterly inflexible and massively open to abuse. I'd agree if there was a surplus of jobs, that paid a reasonable wage, rather than the actual situation where jobs actually are less viable than being unemployed - Which is not because unemployment pays well, but because employment doesn't even reach the actual cost of living. No one on benefits lives what I would call a cushy life - A subsistence existence at best. There are plenty in this neck of the woods jamie. Get their dole money, go to food banks and buy/sell "acquired items" on eBay. They have the latest iPhones, Smart TV's and drink premium lager at our local pub and get takeaway on the way home. I'd like a "subsistence existence" too please! With regard to the rest of your post you're just creating barriers - implementing a food voucher system rather than giving them cash is not Rocket Salad!
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| chris123 hove actually 22 Feb 16 11.03pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Yes, under IDS's workfare scheme. So it's better to work for benefits than not work surely?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Feb 16 11.07pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
So it's better to work for benefits than not work surely?
Edited by nickgusset (22 Feb 2016 11.08pm)
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| chris123 hove actually 22 Feb 16 11.22pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Edited by nickgusset (22 Feb 2016 11.08pm) I'm sure like most things it's not perfect, but in principle I am in favour of job seekers working for their benefits.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Feb 16 12.44am |
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Originally posted by chris123
I'm sure like most things it's not perfect, but in principle I am in favour of job seekers working for their benefits. How about working for a wage rather than working for peanuts?
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| chris123 hove actually 23 Feb 16 7.47am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
How about working for a wage rather than working for peanuts? Well if it includes, JSA, housing benefit and council tax - it's not peanuts. My criticism would be if the training was not properly designed to help people back to work.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Feb 16 8.17am |
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Originally posted by chris123
Well if it includes, JSA, housing benefit and council tax - it's not peanuts. My criticism would be if the training was not properly designed to help people back to work. I've not seen anything that says it does. It's used as cheap labour.
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