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Hrolf The Ganger 30 Nov 15 1.56pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2015 10.18am Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Nov 2015 9.58am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 29 Nov 2015 12.11pm Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Nov 2015 12.26pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 28 Nov 2015 12.05pm WW2 created the circumstances but the Jewish ideal was always to return to the Biblical promised land. Israel has no real basis in history, it is purely a Biblical and therefore religious myth. If there was ever a substantial Jewish homeland it was not modern day Israel. Religion was entirely responsible for the concept and the reality of Jewish settlement. To say the war created the circumstances and then say religion was entirely responsible are contradictions. The Jews historically came from that area...I'm not arguing here about the decision the UN came up with and the British implemented. I'm replying to the assertion that religion is 'entirely responsible'. I think a better way to phrase it is to say 'group identity'. Religion wasn't and isn't a significant factor for many Jews in moving to Palestine....A real understanding of Judaism understands that it is an extremely broad religion which is practiced in the same way that Buddhism embraces both the religious but also the secular. You have your religious Jews and you have your secular Jews.....Many of them think they have a right to a life in Israel. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2015 12.27pm) I'm sorry but that cannot be true. They moved to that area specifically because of the Biblical story. There are plenty of other places they could have gone. If the Bible is not a religious book and therefore a religious reason to move to Palestine then I don't know what is. The Torah is the holy book of the Judaism. Whilst the bibles old testament is sourced in the Torah and history of the Jewish tribes, it is not a complete adaption etc. The Biblical Story is the Christian version of the stories and myths of the Jewish tribes prior to the new testament. LOL you arguing over which holy book from which faith is more correct! They're probably all complete bollocks and made up by someone who was afraid of dying. Not really. Jamie is right of course about the origins of the Biblical reference and the other stuff. My point is that the whole basis of Israel existing at all is purely from the religious writings. Thee is no actual evidence outside of that. Therefore, as I said, Israel was formed purely on the basis of religious belief rather than fact. The fact that many factions ultimately chose to go there for varying reasons does not alter that.
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WW2 created the circumstances but the Jewish ideal was always to return to the Biblical promised land.
Israel has no real basis in history, it is purely a Biblical and therefore religious myth.
If there was ever a substantial Jewish homeland it was not modern day Israel. Religion was entirely responsible for the concept and the reality of Jewish settlement.

To say the war created the circumstances and then say religion was entirely responsible are contradictions.

The Jews historically came from that area...I'm not arguing here about the decision the UN came up with and the British implemented. I'm replying to the assertion that religion is 'entirely responsible'.

I think a better way to phrase it is to say 'group identity'. Religion wasn't and isn't a significant factor for many Jews in moving to Palestine....A real understanding of Judaism understands that it is an extremely broad religion which is practiced in the same way that Buddhism embraces both the religious but also the secular.

You have your religious Jews and you have your secular Jews.....Many of them think they have a right to a life in Israel.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2015 12.27pm)

I'm sorry but that cannot be true. They moved to that area specifically because of the Biblical story. There are plenty of other places they could have gone.

If the Bible is not a religious book and therefore a religious reason to move to Palestine then I don't know what is.

The Torah is the holy book of the Judaism. Whilst the bibles old testament is sourced in the Torah and history of the Jewish tribes, it is not a complete adaption etc.

The Biblical Story is the Christian version of the stories and myths of the Jewish tribes prior to the new testament.

LOL you arguing over which holy book from which faith is more correct!

They're probably all complete bollocks and made up by someone who was afraid of dying.

Not really.

Jamie is right of course about the origins of the Biblical reference and the other stuff.
My point is that the whole basis of Israel existing at all is purely from the religious writings. Thee is no actual evidence outside of that. Therefore, as I said, Israel was formed purely on the basis of religious belief rather than fact. The fact that many factions ultimately chose to go there for varying reasons does not alter that.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Nov 15 2.01pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2015 10.18am Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Nov 2015 9.58am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 29 Nov 2015 12.11pm Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Nov 2015 12.26pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 28 Nov 2015 12.05pm WW2 created the circumstances but the Jewish ideal was always to return to the Biblical promised land. Israel has no real basis in history, it is purely a Biblical and therefore religious myth. If there was ever a substantial Jewish homeland it was not modern day Israel. Religion was entirely responsible for the concept and the reality of Jewish settlement. To say the war created the circumstances and then say religion was entirely responsible are contradictions. The Jews historically came from that area...I'm not arguing here about the decision the UN came up with and the British implemented. I'm replying to the assertion that religion is 'entirely responsible'. I think a better way to phrase it is to say 'group identity'. Religion wasn't and isn't a significant factor for many Jews in moving to Palestine....A real understanding of Judaism understands that it is an extremely broad religion which is practiced in the same way that Buddhism embraces both the religious but also the secular. You have your religious Jews and you have your secular Jews.....Many of them think they have a right to a life in Israel. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2015 12.27pm) I'm sorry but that cannot be true. They moved to that area specifically because of the Biblical story. There are plenty of other places they could have gone. If the Bible is not a religious book and therefore a religious reason to move to Palestine then I don't know what is. The Torah is the holy book of the Judaism. Whilst the bibles old testament is sourced in the Torah and history of the Jewish tribes, it is not a complete adaption etc. The Biblical Story is the Christian version of the stories and myths of the Jewish tribes prior to the new testament. LOL you arguing over which holy book from which faith is more correct! They're probably all complete bollocks and made up by someone who was afraid of dying. The truth is that countries are formed by people with capacity to sufficient violence to establish their authority over others. The one thing that unites all nations is the 'right of the state to control the sole authority on the use of violence' "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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To say the war created the circumstances and then say religion was entirely responsible are contradictions.

You have your religious Jews and you have your secular Jews.....Many of them think they have a right to a life in Israel.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2015 12.27pm)

I'm sorry but that cannot be true. They moved to that area specifically because of the Biblical story. There are plenty of other places they could have gone.

If the Bible is not a religious book and therefore a religious reason to move to Palestine then I don't know what is.

The Torah is the holy book of the Judaism. Whilst the bibles old testament is sourced in the Torah and history of the Jewish tribes, it is not a complete adaption etc.

The Biblical Story is the Christian version of the stories and myths of the Jewish tribes prior to the new testament.

LOL you arguing over which holy book from which faith is more correct!

They're probably all complete bollocks and made up by someone who was afraid of dying.

The truth is that countries are formed by people with capacity to sufficient violence to establish their authority over others.

The one thing that unites all nations is the 'right of the state to control the sole authority on the use of violence'

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Kermit8 Hevon 30 Nov 15 2.03pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 30 Nov 2015 1.56pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2015 10.18am Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Nov 2015 9.58am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 29 Nov 2015 12.11pm Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Nov 2015 12.26pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 28 Nov 2015 12.05pm WW2 created the circumstances but the Jewish ideal was always to return to the Biblical promised land. Israel has no real basis in history, it is purely a Biblical and therefore religious myth. If there was ever a substantial Jewish homeland it was not modern day Israel. Religion was entirely responsible for the concept and the reality of Jewish settlement. To say the war created the circumstances and then say religion was entirely responsible are contradictions. The Jews historically came from that area...I'm not arguing here about the decision the UN came up with and the British implemented. I'm replying to the assertion that religion is 'entirely responsible'. I think a better way to phrase it is to say 'group identity'. Religion wasn't and isn't a significant factor for many Jews in moving to Palestine....A real understanding of Judaism understands that it is an extremely broad religion which is practiced in the same way that Buddhism embraces both the religious but also the secular. You have your religious Jews and you have your secular Jews.....Many of them think they have a right to a life in Israel. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2015 12.27pm) I'm sorry but that cannot be true. They moved to that area specifically because of the Biblical story. There are plenty of other places they could have gone. If the Bible is not a religious book and therefore a religious reason to move to Palestine then I don't know what is. The Torah is the holy book of the Judaism. Whilst the bibles old testament is sourced in the Torah and history of the Jewish tribes, it is not a complete adaption etc. The Biblical Story is the Christian version of the stories and myths of the Jewish tribes prior to the new testament. LOL you arguing over which holy book from which faith is more correct! They're probably all complete bollocks and made up by someone who was afraid of dying. Not really. Jamie is right of course about the origins of the Biblical reference and the other stuff. My point is that the whole basis of Israel existing at all is purely from the religious writings. Thee is no actual evidence outside of that. Therefore, as I said, Israel was formed purely on the basis of religious belief rather than fact. The fact that many factions ultimately chose to go there for varying reasons does not alter that. There were first mentioned - the Israelite tribe from Canaan or summat - in some very early and I think non-religious Hellenic text so geographically were placed at some point between the Eastern Med and Jordan way before the Bible and Torah. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 30 Nov 2015 1.56pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2015 10.18am

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 29 Nov 2015 12.11pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Nov 2015 12.26pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 28 Nov 2015 12.05pm

To say the war created the circumstances and then say religion was entirely responsible are contradictions.

You have your religious Jews and you have your secular Jews.....Many of them think they have a right to a life in Israel.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2015 12.27pm)

I'm sorry but that cannot be true. They moved to that area specifically because of the Biblical story. There are plenty of other places they could have gone.

If the Bible is not a religious book and therefore a religious reason to move to Palestine then I don't know what is.

The Torah is the holy book of the Judaism. Whilst the bibles old testament is sourced in the Torah and history of the Jewish tribes, it is not a complete adaption etc.

The Biblical Story is the Christian version of the stories and myths of the Jewish tribes prior to the new testament.

LOL you arguing over which holy book from which faith is more correct!

They're probably all complete bollocks and made up by someone who was afraid of dying.

Not really.

There were first mentioned - the Israelite tribe from Canaan or summat - in some very early and I think non-religious Hellenic text so geographically were placed at some point between the Eastern Med and Jordan way before the Bible and Torah.

Big chest and massive boobs

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jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Nov 15 4.28pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 30 Nov 2015 1.56pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2015 10.18am Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Nov 2015 9.58am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 29 Nov 2015 12.11pm Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Nov 2015 12.26pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 28 Nov 2015 12.05pm WW2 created the circumstances but the Jewish ideal was always to return to the Biblical promised land. Israel has no real basis in history, it is purely a Biblical and therefore religious myth. If there was ever a substantial Jewish homeland it was not modern day Israel. Religion was entirely responsible for the concept and the reality of Jewish settlement. To say the war created the circumstances and then say religion was entirely responsible are contradictions. The Jews historically came from that area...I'm not arguing here about the decision the UN came up with and the British implemented. I'm replying to the assertion that religion is 'entirely responsible'. I think a better way to phrase it is to say 'group identity'. Religion wasn't and isn't a significant factor for many Jews in moving to Palestine....A real understanding of Judaism understands that it is an extremely broad religion which is practiced in the same way that Buddhism embraces both the religious but also the secular. You have your religious Jews and you have your secular Jews.....Many of them think they have a right to a life in Israel. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2015 12.27pm) I'm sorry but that cannot be true. They moved to that area specifically because of the Biblical story. There are plenty of other places they could have gone. If the Bible is not a religious book and therefore a religious reason to move to Palestine then I don't know what is. The Torah is the holy book of the Judaism. Whilst the bibles old testament is sourced in the Torah and history of the Jewish tribes, it is not a complete adaption etc. The Biblical Story is the Christian version of the stories and myths of the Jewish tribes prior to the new testament. LOL you arguing over which holy book from which faith is more correct! They're probably all complete bollocks and made up by someone who was afraid of dying. Not really. Jamie is right of course about the origins of the Biblical reference and the other stuff. My point is that the whole basis of Israel existing at all is purely from the religious writings. Thee is no actual evidence outside of that. Therefore, as I said, Israel was formed purely on the basis of religious belief rather than fact. The fact that many factions ultimately chose to go there for varying reasons does not alter that. Quite right, the Kingdom of Judea would be the closest to a real 'incidence' of Israel. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 30 Nov 2015 1.56pm

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 29 Nov 2015 12.11pm

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 28 Nov 2015 12.05pm

To say the war created the circumstances and then say religion was entirely responsible are contradictions.

You have your religious Jews and you have your secular Jews.....Many of them think they have a right to a life in Israel.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2015 12.27pm)

I'm sorry but that cannot be true. They moved to that area specifically because of the Biblical story. There are plenty of other places they could have gone.

If the Bible is not a religious book and therefore a religious reason to move to Palestine then I don't know what is.

The Torah is the holy book of the Judaism. Whilst the bibles old testament is sourced in the Torah and history of the Jewish tribes, it is not a complete adaption etc.

The Biblical Story is the Christian version of the stories and myths of the Jewish tribes prior to the new testament.

LOL you arguing over which holy book from which faith is more correct!

They're probably all complete bollocks and made up by someone who was afraid of dying.

Not really.

Quite right, the Kingdom of Judea would be the closest to a real 'incidence' of Israel.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 02 Dec 15 8.00pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Nov 2015 4.28pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 30 Nov 2015 1.56pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2015 10.18am Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Nov 2015 9.58am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 29 Nov 2015 12.11pm Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Nov 2015 12.26pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 28 Nov 2015 12.05pm WW2 created the circumstances but the Jewish ideal was always to return to the Biblical promised land. Israel has no real basis in history, it is purely a Biblical and therefore religious myth. If there was ever a substantial Jewish homeland it was not modern day Israel. Religion was entirely responsible for the concept and the reality of Jewish settlement. To say the war created the circumstances and then say religion was entirely responsible are contradictions. The Jews historically came from that area...I'm not arguing here about the decision the UN came up with and the British implemented. I'm replying to the assertion that religion is 'entirely responsible'. I think a better way to phrase it is to say 'group identity'. Religion wasn't and isn't a significant factor for many Jews in moving to Palestine....A real understanding of Judaism understands that it is an extremely broad religion which is practiced in the same way that Buddhism embraces both the religious but also the secular. You have your religious Jews and you have your secular Jews.....Many of them think they have a right to a life in Israel. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2015 12.27pm) I'm sorry but that cannot be true. They moved to that area specifically because of the Biblical story. There are plenty of other places they could have gone. If the Bible is not a religious book and therefore a religious reason to move to Palestine then I don't know what is. The Torah is the holy book of the Judaism. Whilst the bibles old testament is sourced in the Torah and history of the Jewish tribes, it is not a complete adaption etc. The Biblical Story is the Christian version of the stories and myths of the Jewish tribes prior to the new testament. LOL you arguing over which holy book from which faith is more correct! They're probably all complete bollocks and made up by someone who was afraid of dying. Not really. Jamie is right of course about the origins of the Biblical reference and the other stuff. My point is that the whole basis of Israel existing at all is purely from the religious writings. Thee is no actual evidence outside of that. Therefore, as I said, Israel was formed purely on the basis of religious belief rather than fact. The fact that many factions ultimately chose to go there for varying reasons does not alter that. Quite right, the Kingdom of Judea would be the closest to a real 'incidence' of Israel. Is that where the peoples front of Judea live ? "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Nov 2015 4.28pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 30 Nov 2015 1.56pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2015 10.18am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Nov 2015 9.58am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 29 Nov 2015 12.11pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Nov 2015 12.26pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 28 Nov 2015 12.05pm

To say the war created the circumstances and then say religion was entirely responsible are contradictions.

You have your religious Jews and you have your secular Jews.....Many of them think they have a right to a life in Israel.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2015 12.27pm)

I'm sorry but that cannot be true. They moved to that area specifically because of the Biblical story. There are plenty of other places they could have gone.

If the Bible is not a religious book and therefore a religious reason to move to Palestine then I don't know what is.

The Torah is the holy book of the Judaism. Whilst the bibles old testament is sourced in the Torah and history of the Jewish tribes, it is not a complete adaption etc.

The Biblical Story is the Christian version of the stories and myths of the Jewish tribes prior to the new testament.

LOL you arguing over which holy book from which faith is more correct!

They're probably all complete bollocks and made up by someone who was afraid of dying.

Not really.

Quite right, the Kingdom of Judea would be the closest to a real 'incidence' of Israel.

Is that where the peoples front of Judea live ?

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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7mins In the bush 08 Dec 15 12.48pm
[Link] Islam has gotta be the worst religion for dealing with criticism/having it's beliefs challanged
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Islam has gotta be the worst religion for dealing with criticism/having it's beliefs challanged

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Dec 15 1.16pm
Quote 7mins at 08 Dec 2015 12.48pm [Link] Islam has gotta be the worst religion for dealing with criticism/having it's beliefs challanged Religion cannot be allowed to stifle debate. This is the irony that some of our progressive liberal friends overlook.
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Religion cannot be allowed to stifle debate. This is the irony that some of our progressive liberal friends overlook.

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Quote 7mins at 08 Dec 2015 12.48pm [Link] Islam has gotta be the worst religion for dealing with criticism/having it's beliefs challanged I don't know about that, historically Catholicism and Protestantism were pretty 'hardcore' about challenges to belief, even trivial ones. The Catholics were very keen on 'monopolisation' of religion, even their own. Nowdays, maybe, but there is a reason why no one can pick Cathar on the European list of Religions. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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I don't know about that, historically Catholicism and Protestantism were pretty 'hardcore' about challenges to belief, even trivial ones. The Catholics were very keen on 'monopolisation' of religion, even their own.

Nowdays, maybe, but there is a reason why no one can pick Cathar on the European list of Religions.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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NickRobinson 08 Dec 15 2.12pm
23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty. There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime. Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm)
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23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty.

There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime.

Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Dec 15 2.19pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Dec 2015 1.18pm Quote 7mins at 08 Dec 2015 12.48pm [Link] Islam has gotta be the worst religion for dealing with criticism/having it's beliefs challanged I don't know about that, historically Catholicism and Protestantism were pretty 'hardcore' about challenges to belief, even trivial ones. The Catholics were very keen on 'monopolisation' of religion, even their own. Nowdays, maybe, but there is a reason why no one can pick Cathar on the European list of Religions. Key word, "historically". Islam is running about 500 years behind everyone else. With the exception of a few people in Texas.
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Nowdays, maybe, but there is a reason why no one can pick Cathar on the European list of Religions.

Key word, "historically". Islam is running about 500 years behind everyone else. With the exception of a few people in Texas.

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Kermit8 Hevon 08 Dec 15 2.20pm
Quote NickRobinson at 08 Dec 2015 2.12pm 23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty. There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime. Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm) Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty.

There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime.

Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm)

Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground.

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Dec 15 2.23pm
Quote Kermit8 at 08 Dec 2015 2.20pm Quote NickRobinson at 08 Dec 2015 2.12pm 23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty. There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime. Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm) Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground. Now is rather what matters.
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23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty.

There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime.

Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm)

Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground.

Now is rather what matters.

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