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 johnfirewall  16 May 15 7.10pm |
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Quote TheJudge at 16 May 2015 2.45pm
A daft evasive straw man argument on your part. I'll tell you. My prejudice is against culture, religion and anti social behavior that does not benefit our society and one that takes us backward instead of forward to a more enlightened state. Edited by TheJudge (16 May 2015 2.46pm) I like to think even some liberals have got over this tolerance that extends to every negative aspect of foreign culture but you still get the left-wing equivalent of a racist pensioner who just accepts 'it's what they do'. Of course we all have to abide by the same laws in the country so it isn't really a problem but in this case she's going to get away with it and is still presenting the argument that she can't be racist which some of you are buying. Edited by johnfirewall (16 May 2015 7.10pm) Edited by johnfirewall (16 May 2015 7.11pm)
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| legaleagle 16 May 15 7.31pm |
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A daft evasive straw man argument on your part. I'll tell you. My prejudice is against culture, religion and anti social behavior that does not benefit our society and one that takes us backward instead of forward to a more enlightened state.
You are a true sage....not But,today you can call me man of straw,flexible morality and any other nonsense you like! Liverpool 1-Palace 3. Peace and love to all, you included Edited by legaleagle (16 May 2015 7.33pm)
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Quote legaleagle at 16 May 2015 7.31pm
A daft evasive straw man argument on your part. I'll tell you. My prejudice is against culture, religion and anti social behavior that does not benefit our society and one that takes us backward instead of forward to a more enlightened state.
You are a true sage....not But,today you can call me man of straw,flexible morality and any other nonsense you like! Liverpool 1-Palace 3. Peace and love to all, you included Edited by legaleagle (16 May 2015 7.33pm) It pains me to say it to you courtroom security man, but I agree - what a result!!!
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| legaleagle 16 May 15 11.57pm |
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Followed by you slagging me a whole 2 minutes later on another thread.You certainly live down to expectations Love and peace indeed, derben style
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| derben 17 May 15 9.08am |
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Quote legaleagle at 16 May 2015 11.57pm
Followed by you slagging me a whole 2 minutes later on another thread.You certainly live down to expectations Love and peace indeed, derben style Well you did say: "But,today you can call me man of straw,flexible morality and any other nonsense you like!"
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 17 May 15 9.26am |
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Quote rednblue4eva at 14 May 2015 3.28pm
She said: "These are in-jokes and ways that many people in the queer feminist community express ourselves - it's a way of reclaiming the power from the trauma many of us experience as queers, women, people of colour, who are on the receiving end of racism, misogyny and homophobia daily." So it's OK for her to use the word "queers" I would bet a pound to a shiny penny that if you pressed her to name one instance of where she has been on the receiving end because of race, gender or sexuality today, yesterday, last Tuesday, 23rd Auguest 2012 or any other date you care to mention she couldn't name one... She's simply a trappy, up her own arse bint seeking victimhood by whatever means possible. She probably has. My best friend is Asian, and has experienced threats and abuse on the basis of skin colour (which has only increased since he married a white girl). Similarly I've got female friends who've been harassed by men even after they've made it clear they're not interested and a gay friend who's experience includes being beaten up for being gay on a number of occasions (specifically for being gay). This kind of s**t still goes on, it might not be condoned by the majority, and is probably the work of a minority of stupid, probably young, t***s who think its funny or a laugh (or just don't realize it). She probably hasn't..daily ????- do me a favour Jamie It makes me cringe to say this but going to anyway.... I have lots of black friends, a few Asian of origin and a few Europeans as well as a gay couple and two lesbians - (hate compartmentalising but need to make the point) - all friendships picked up as I have meandered through life Yes they still occasionally get stick for one reason and another, buts it incredibly rare and certainly not a daily occurrence. Has it ever occurred to the Diversity Office at Goldmsiths people simply do nasty stuff to her because she is a c*nt ????
Daily is definitely pushing it, unless you're specifically looking for any excuse to be offended when none is intended. Makes me wonder, is she trolling BNP sites to actually experience offence? The issue isn't non-existant - I dare say she's encountered abuse, and maybe due to what she does hears of it on an almost daily basis, but in reality its just hyperbole as argument, and in doing so more harmful than good. I wasn't taking her side, just saying she'd probably had experiences.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 17 May 15 9.27am |
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Quote imbored at 14 May 2015 6.21pm
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Quote rednblue4eva at 14 May 2015 3.28pm
She said: "These are in-jokes and ways that many people in the queer feminist community express ourselves - it's a way of reclaiming the power from the trauma many of us experience as queers, women, people of colour, who are on the receiving end of racism, misogyny and homophobia daily." So it's OK for her to use the word "queers"
And I expect that applies to homophobic as well It is, although she's paraphrasing Johnson 1997, who made an valid argument that given the historical context of oppression of minority groups, they should be considered somewhat more valid in their prejudice of the majority - having been on the receiving end. Of course, Johnson was referring to a generation that grew up in the 70s and 80s, and before (and in the USA) - when concepts such as **** Bashing and gay bashing were considered acceptable past times. Johnson believed that we should forgive such prejudice against the majority - and that as such, talking about such prejudice was a means of deflecting by those who provided tacit support of prejudice, away from the true argument, the experience of prejudice of those minority groups (which was often violent, physical, persistant and socially exclusive). Of course Johnson also believed such prejudice was wrong, but understandable, given the society of the times. Certainly not all factions agreed. Chuck D of Public Enemy openly criticized the use of the phrase nigga by rappers arguing that it reduced the struggle of anti-racism, by creating a stereotype that was ultimately an anti-black propaganda. Of course if you're actually attending university, which has actively recruited you as a spokesperson and advocate for a minority group, and funded that position - You do have to question just exactly how oppressed you are. But there are still plenty of very stupid narrow minded bigots out there. Sadly, they exist on both sides of the fence.
In Zimbabwe, for instance, is it impossible for a white person to be racist? And what about South Africa, where foreign business owners are currently being attacked (black on black) - I realise that's more xenophobic than racist, but some of it can be tribal (not sure if that constitutes a race) Johnson didn't say that prejudice against a majority isn't for instance racist, he just said that you can see where it comes from. The difference is this woman is saying her prejudice doesn't even qualify as prejudice, claiming that it's impossible for her to be sexist or racist. Using Johnson's attitude it would be understandable for white people in Zimbabwe to be prejudiced, but it would still be racist. That's kind of what I was trying to say.
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| derben 17 May 15 10.30am |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 May 2015 9.27am
Quote imbored at 14 May 2015 6.21pm
Quote npn at 14 May 2015 4.24pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 May 2015 3.59pm
Quote eagles2011 at 14 May 2015 3.35pm
Quote rednblue4eva at 14 May 2015 3.28pm
She said: "These are in-jokes and ways that many people in the queer feminist community express ourselves - it's a way of reclaiming the power from the trauma many of us experience as queers, women, people of colour, who are on the receiving end of racism, misogyny and homophobia daily." So it's OK for her to use the word "queers"
And I expect that applies to homophobic as well It is, although she's paraphrasing Johnson 1997, who made an valid argument that given the historical context of oppression of minority groups, they should be considered somewhat more valid in their prejudice of the majority - having been on the receiving end. Of course, Johnson was referring to a generation that grew up in the 70s and 80s, and before (and in the USA) - when concepts such as **** Bashing and gay bashing were considered acceptable past times. Johnson believed that we should forgive such prejudice against the majority - and that as such, talking about such prejudice was a means of deflecting by those who provided tacit support of prejudice, away from the true argument, the experience of prejudice of those minority groups (which was often violent, physical, persistant and socially exclusive). Of course Johnson also believed such prejudice was wrong, but understandable, given the society of the times. Certainly not all factions agreed. Chuck D of Public Enemy openly criticized the use of the phrase nigga by rappers arguing that it reduced the struggle of anti-racism, by creating a stereotype that was ultimately an anti-black propaganda. Of course if you're actually attending university, which has actively recruited you as a spokesperson and advocate for a minority group, and funded that position - You do have to question just exactly how oppressed you are. But there are still plenty of very stupid narrow minded bigots out there. Sadly, they exist on both sides of the fence. Would be interesting to see that applied to Zimbabwe, where whites are both a minority and oppressed. In Zimbabwe, for instance, is it impossible for a white person to be racist? And what about South Africa, where foreign business owners are currently being attacked (black on black) - I realise that's more xenophobic than racist, but some of it can be tribal (not sure if that constitutes a race) Johnson didn't say that prejudice against a majority isn't for instance racist, he just said that you can see where it comes from. The difference is this woman is saying her prejudice doesn't even qualify as prejudice, claiming that it's impossible for her to be sexist or racist. Using Johnson's attitude it would be understandable for white people in Zimbabwe to be prejudiced, but it would still be racist. That's kind of what I was trying to say. The left/libs couldn't care less if white people are oppressed in Zimbabwe - they probably think there is not enough it, or at least that they deserve it.
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| legaleagle 17 May 15 10.56am |
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Quote derben at 17 May 2015 9.08am
Quote legaleagle at 16 May 2015 11.57pm
Followed by you slagging me a whole 2 minutes later on another thread.You certainly live down to expectations Love and peace indeed, derben style Well you did say: "But,today you can call me man of straw,flexible morality and any other nonsense you like!"
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 17 May 15 6.08pm |
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Quote derben at 17 May 2015 10.30am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 May 2015 9.27am
Quote imbored at 14 May 2015 6.21pm
Quote npn at 14 May 2015 4.24pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 May 2015 3.59pm
Quote eagles2011 at 14 May 2015 3.35pm
Quote rednblue4eva at 14 May 2015 3.28pm
She said: "These are in-jokes and ways that many people in the queer feminist community express ourselves - it's a way of reclaiming the power from the trauma many of us experience as queers, women, people of colour, who are on the receiving end of racism, misogyny and homophobia daily." So it's OK for her to use the word "queers"
And I expect that applies to homophobic as well It is, although she's paraphrasing Johnson 1997, who made an valid argument that given the historical context of oppression of minority groups, they should be considered somewhat more valid in their prejudice of the majority - having been on the receiving end. Of course, Johnson was referring to a generation that grew up in the 70s and 80s, and before (and in the USA) - when concepts such as **** Bashing and gay bashing were considered acceptable past times. Johnson believed that we should forgive such prejudice against the majority - and that as such, talking about such prejudice was a means of deflecting by those who provided tacit support of prejudice, away from the true argument, the experience of prejudice of those minority groups (which was often violent, physical, persistant and socially exclusive). Of course Johnson also believed such prejudice was wrong, but understandable, given the society of the times. Certainly not all factions agreed. Chuck D of Public Enemy openly criticized the use of the phrase nigga by rappers arguing that it reduced the struggle of anti-racism, by creating a stereotype that was ultimately an anti-black propaganda. Of course if you're actually attending university, which has actively recruited you as a spokesperson and advocate for a minority group, and funded that position - You do have to question just exactly how oppressed you are. But there are still plenty of very stupid narrow minded bigots out there. Sadly, they exist on both sides of the fence. Would be interesting to see that applied to Zimbabwe, where whites are both a minority and oppressed. In Zimbabwe, for instance, is it impossible for a white person to be racist? And what about South Africa, where foreign business owners are currently being attacked (black on black) - I realise that's more xenophobic than racist, but some of it can be tribal (not sure if that constitutes a race) Johnson didn't say that prejudice against a majority isn't for instance racist, he just said that you can see where it comes from. The difference is this woman is saying her prejudice doesn't even qualify as prejudice, claiming that it's impossible for her to be sexist or racist. Using Johnson's attitude it would be understandable for white people in Zimbabwe to be prejudiced, but it would still be racist. That's kind of what I was trying to say. The left/libs couldn't care less if white people are oppressed in Zimbabwe - they probably think there is not enough it, or at least that they deserve it.
This post tells me two things: 1 I am not a leftie - I actually find that quite offensive. 2 You don't know much about Southern African politics.
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| derben 17 May 15 6.28pm |
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Quote pefwin at 17 May 2015 6.08pm
Quote derben at 17 May 2015 10.30am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 May 2015 9.27am
Quote imbored at 14 May 2015 6.21pm
Quote npn at 14 May 2015 4.24pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 May 2015 3.59pm
Quote eagles2011 at 14 May 2015 3.35pm
Quote rednblue4eva at 14 May 2015 3.28pm
She said: "These are in-jokes and ways that many people in the queer feminist community express ourselves - it's a way of reclaiming the power from the trauma many of us experience as queers, women, people of colour, who are on the receiving end of racism, misogyny and homophobia daily." So it's OK for her to use the word "queers"
And I expect that applies to homophobic as well It is, although she's paraphrasing Johnson 1997, who made an valid argument that given the historical context of oppression of minority groups, they should be considered somewhat more valid in their prejudice of the majority - having been on the receiving end. Of course, Johnson was referring to a generation that grew up in the 70s and 80s, and before (and in the USA) - when concepts such as **** Bashing and gay bashing were considered acceptable past times. Johnson believed that we should forgive such prejudice against the majority - and that as such, talking about such prejudice was a means of deflecting by those who provided tacit support of prejudice, away from the true argument, the experience of prejudice of those minority groups (which was often violent, physical, persistant and socially exclusive). Of course Johnson also believed such prejudice was wrong, but understandable, given the society of the times. Certainly not all factions agreed. Chuck D of Public Enemy openly criticized the use of the phrase nigga by rappers arguing that it reduced the struggle of anti-racism, by creating a stereotype that was ultimately an anti-black propaganda. Of course if you're actually attending university, which has actively recruited you as a spokesperson and advocate for a minority group, and funded that position - You do have to question just exactly how oppressed you are. But there are still plenty of very stupid narrow minded bigots out there. Sadly, they exist on both sides of the fence. Would be interesting to see that applied to Zimbabwe, where whites are both a minority and oppressed. In Zimbabwe, for instance, is it impossible for a white person to be racist? And what about South Africa, where foreign business owners are currently being attacked (black on black) - I realise that's more xenophobic than racist, but some of it can be tribal (not sure if that constitutes a race) Johnson didn't say that prejudice against a majority isn't for instance racist, he just said that you can see where it comes from. The difference is this woman is saying her prejudice doesn't even qualify as prejudice, claiming that it's impossible for her to be sexist or racist. Using Johnson's attitude it would be understandable for white people in Zimbabwe to be prejudiced, but it would still be racist. That's kind of what I was trying to say. The left/libs couldn't care less if white people are oppressed in Zimbabwe - they probably think there is not enough it, or at least that they deserve it.
This post tells me two things: 1 I am not a leftie - I actually find that quite offensive. 2 You don't know much about Southern African politics. Compare the hushed silence of the left to the excesses of the current southern African regimes to the cacophony of the left to the excesses of the former regimes in the region.
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Kermit8  Hevon 17 May 15 8.29pm |
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Quote derben at 17 May 2015 6.28pm
Quote pefwin at 17 May 2015 6.08pm
Quote derben at 17 May 2015 10.30am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 May 2015 9.27am
Quote imbored at 14 May 2015 6.21pm
Quote npn at 14 May 2015 4.24pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 May 2015 3.59pm
Quote eagles2011 at 14 May 2015 3.35pm
Quote rednblue4eva at 14 May 2015 3.28pm
She said: "These are in-jokes and ways that many people in the queer feminist community express ourselves - it's a way of reclaiming the power from the trauma many of us experience as queers, women, people of colour, who are on the receiving end of racism, misogyny and homophobia daily." So it's OK for her to use the word "queers"
And I expect that applies to homophobic as well It is, although she's paraphrasing Johnson 1997, who made an valid argument that given the historical context of oppression of minority groups, they should be considered somewhat more valid in their prejudice of the majority - having been on the receiving end. Of course, Johnson was referring to a generation that grew up in the 70s and 80s, and before (and in the USA) - when concepts such as **** Bashing and gay bashing were considered acceptable past times. Johnson believed that we should forgive such prejudice against the majority - and that as such, talking about such prejudice was a means of deflecting by those who provided tacit support of prejudice, away from the true argument, the experience of prejudice of those minority groups (which was often violent, physical, persistant and socially exclusive). Of course Johnson also believed such prejudice was wrong, but understandable, given the society of the times. Certainly not all factions agreed. Chuck D of Public Enemy openly criticized the use of the phrase nigga by rappers arguing that it reduced the struggle of anti-racism, by creating a stereotype that was ultimately an anti-black propaganda. Of course if you're actually attending university, which has actively recruited you as a spokesperson and advocate for a minority group, and funded that position - You do have to question just exactly how oppressed you are. But there are still plenty of very stupid narrow minded bigots out there. Sadly, they exist on both sides of the fence. Would be interesting to see that applied to Zimbabwe, where whites are both a minority and oppressed. In Zimbabwe, for instance, is it impossible for a white person to be racist? And what about South Africa, where foreign business owners are currently being attacked (black on black) - I realise that's more xenophobic than racist, but some of it can be tribal (not sure if that constitutes a race) Johnson didn't say that prejudice against a majority isn't for instance racist, he just said that you can see where it comes from. The difference is this woman is saying her prejudice doesn't even qualify as prejudice, claiming that it's impossible for her to be sexist or racist. Using Johnson's attitude it would be understandable for white people in Zimbabwe to be prejudiced, but it would still be racist. That's kind of what I was trying to say. The left/libs couldn't care less if white people are oppressed in Zimbabwe - they probably think there is not enough it, or at least that they deserve it.
This post tells me two things: 1 I am not a leftie - I actually find that quite offensive. 2 You don't know much about Southern African politics. Compare the hushed silence of the left to the excesses of the current southern African regimes to the cacophony of the left to the excesses of the former regimes in the region.
What is comparable today? Examples, please.
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