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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 01 May 14 2.51pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

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You are correct - voting UKIP doesn't automatically make you any of the above but if you decide to dance with a very right-wing political party then you'd be quite naive not to expect mud to be thrown in your direction and also not to expect some of the splatter to hit you.

Guilt by association, innit. No point in bitching about it. You know the score.


Good luck throwing mud at the windows or persons of the ethnic minority eateries in South Norwood with UKIP posters in their windows. (UKIP want to reduce all immigration opposed to the current non-EU immigration)

That is purely protest voting.

Do they not have dodgy and obnoxious right-wing opinions and attitudes amongst some of the population in China or India then?

They may be voting UKIP because that is the party they relate to the most.


Seeing as Croydon North is Labour, UKIP are poaching voters across the parties and most people haven't a clue about any of UKIP's policies apart from immigration, it's fairly safe to say it's because they either want a cap on immigration full stop, or it's because some of the people originating from the same place won't be able to invite friends or relatives to Britain long-term.

Wanting to see immigration limited because of reasons such as insufficient and decreasing housing supply and ever increasing demand with diddly squat done about it by any of the parties, including the one benefiting from the ethnic minority vote I wouldn't IMO call dodgy or obnoxious. More logical.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 01 May 14 4.08pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Quote Cucking Funt at 01 May 2014 2.48pm

Quote Kermit8 at 01 May 2014 2.40pm

Quote Rudi Hedman at 01 May 2014 2.30pm

Quote Kermit8 at 01 May 2014 12.25pm

You are correct - voting UKIP doesn't automatically make you any of the above but if you decide to dance with a very right-wing political party then you'd be quite naive not to expect mud to be thrown in your direction and also not to expect some of the splatter to hit you.

Guilt by association, innit. No point in bitching about it. You know the score.


Good luck throwing mud at the windows or persons of the ethnic minority eateries in South Norwood with UKIP posters in their windows. (UKIP want to reduce all immigration opposed to the current non-EU immigration)

That is purely protest voting.

Do they not have dodgy and obnoxious right-wing opinions and attitudes amongst some of the population in China or India then?

They may be voting UKIP because that is the party they relate to the most.


And what better reason is there to vote for someone?


Exactly. Which is why I suspect some of these supposed protest voters who say they are going across to UKIP aren't actually protesting at all but merely using it as an exit strategy when things go awry further down the line.

'Nothing to do with me, guv. I was just protesting'

 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 01 May 14 4.14pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Quote Kermit8 at 01 May 2014 4.08pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 01 May 2014 2.48pm

Quote Kermit8 at 01 May 2014 2.40pm

Quote Rudi Hedman at 01 May 2014 2.30pm

Quote Kermit8 at 01 May 2014 12.25pm

You are correct - voting UKIP doesn't automatically make you any of the above but if you decide to dance with a very right-wing political party then you'd be quite naive not to expect mud to be thrown in your direction and also not to expect some of the splatter to hit you.

Guilt by association, innit. No point in bitching about it. You know the score.


Good luck throwing mud at the windows or persons of the ethnic minority eateries in South Norwood with UKIP posters in their windows. (UKIP want to reduce all immigration opposed to the current non-EU immigration)

That is purely protest voting.

Do they not have dodgy and obnoxious right-wing opinions and attitudes amongst some of the population in China or India then?

They may be voting UKIP because that is the party they relate to the most.


And what better reason is there to vote for someone?


Exactly. Which is why I suspect some of these supposed protest voters who say they are going across to UKIP aren't actually protesting at all but merely using it as an exit strategy when things go awry further down the line.

'Nothing to do with me, guv. I was just protesting'


Why is it necessarily a protest vote? Perhaps they really do resonate with a significant number of people.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 01 May 14 4.42pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Quote Cucking Funt at 01 May 2014 4.14pm

Quote Kermit8 at 01 May 2014 4.08pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 01 May 2014 2.48pm

Quote Kermit8 at 01 May 2014 2.40pm

Quote Rudi Hedman at 01 May 2014 2.30pm

Quote Kermit8 at 01 May 2014 12.25pm

You are correct - voting UKIP doesn't automatically make you any of the above but if you decide to dance with a very right-wing political party then you'd be quite naive not to expect mud to be thrown in your direction and also not to expect some of the splatter to hit you.

Guilt by association, innit. No point in bitching about it. You know the score.


Good luck throwing mud at the windows or persons of the ethnic minority eateries in South Norwood with UKIP posters in their windows. (UKIP want to reduce all immigration opposed to the current non-EU immigration)

That is purely protest voting.

Do they not have dodgy and obnoxious right-wing opinions and attitudes amongst some of the population in China or India then?

They may be voting UKIP because that is the party they relate to the most.


And what better reason is there to vote for someone?


Exactly. Which is why I suspect some of these supposed protest voters who say they are going across to UKIP aren't actually protesting at all but merely using it as an exit strategy when things go awry further down the line.

'Nothing to do with me, guv. I was just protesting'


Why is it necessarily a protest vote? Perhaps they really do resonate with a significant number of people.


That's what I am saying. It is not a protest vote at all. But, for some, they need to label it as such. For the rest, they are quite happy to confirm they are voting for UKIP for no other reason than because that is their actual preferred party. Good on them. At least they are being sincere.

 


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Stuk Flag Top half 01 May 14 5.02pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Farage egged in Nottingham!

Madcap?

 


Optimistic as ever

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TUX Flag redhill 01 May 14 9.03pm Send a Private Message to TUX Add TUX as a friend

Seeing as Croydon North is Labour, UKIP are poaching voters across the parties and most people haven't a clue about any of UKIP's policies apart from immigration, it's fairly safe to say it's because they either want a cap on immigration full stop, or it's because some of the people originating from the same place won't be able to invite friends or relatives to Britain long-term.

Wanting to see immigration limited because of reasons such as insufficient and decreasing housing supply and ever increasing demand with diddly squat done about it by any of the parties, including the one benefiting from the ethnic minority vote I wouldn't IMO call dodgy or obnoxious. More logical.
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Rudi nails it.

This is why UKIP have come to the fore imo.
A complete disregard by ANY party for one of the major issue concerning the majority of the electorate, ie 'open borders'. This stance has done absolutely nothing to improve our society, just stretch our resources/infrastructure further. It's insane.
Those 'in power' never listen because ultimately they don't have to.
The Govt we have now is due to one man making a decision, not the electorate. Stand up Nick Clegg, a man who was schooled by Farage in the recent debate aired by the excellent LBC 97.3FM.
And what was the first thing Clegg done with his tuppence worth of fame?...............ask the students.

For the record I don't vote. Maybe I will when there's a party with ears but I'm not holding my breath. Red, Blue, Green, Yellow or UKIP...............their all the same in their deafness.
Politics eh? It just complicates what should be a simple life for all of us zzzzzzzzzzzzz


 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 May 14 9.19pm

Haven't done a c+p for a while...
10 UKIP arguments and why they are false.
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1. Immigrants are increasing NHS waiting times. "Britain is full".

Immigrants make a net contribution to the UK. A recent study by University College London found that since 2000, European immigrants have paid 34% more in taxes than they claim back from the state; non-European immigrants paid 2% more. Over the same period, British people paid 11% less in tax than they claimed back. The study also found that immigrants are 45% less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits than people native to the UK, and 3% less likely to live in social housing. Only 0.15% of the NHS budget is lost to 'health tourism'.

Public satisfaction with the NHS was at an all time high in 2011, but increasing austerity measures and the handing over of NHS contracts to private providers has lead to increased waiting times, as public health providers are having to cut back on services. Ukip's manifesto pledges even more budget cuts. They plan to cut two million more public sector jobs (more than the entire NHS workforce) and to get rid of National Insurance, which raises over £100billion a year (more than the entire NHS budget). This is not even taking into account the massive loss to public spending that would result from their wish to introduce a flat 31% tax for people of all incomes over £11,500.

Immigrants are not a strain on the public sector, austerity is. Moreover, if Ukip truly believe that "Britain is full", should the party be urging its members to stop procreating? Same-sex relationships would surely be far more patriotic?

2. Immigrants are to blame for undercutting British workers

Immigrants, believe it or not, are human beings. Not unlike British human beings they love their families and will do whatever it takes to provide a better future for their children. Unfortunately, some employers exploit immigrant labour by illegally paying workers below the minimum wage, as recent immigrants will be more desperate to work, as they do not have the same access to benefits as UK citizens. If there was a strong commitment to the living wage, and serious criminal penalties for employers exploiting workers in this way, there would be no undercutting; and employers would judge job applicants on their merit, rather than their level of desperation and willingness to work for less.

It's also worth remembering that British workers are also leaving the UK to work in the EU, it's not a one-way system. There are currently 1.6 million UK citizens living in other EU countries.

3. The entire population of Romania and Bulgaria could be heading to the UK

Romanians and Bulgarians are also human beings. Just like British humans most have families that they care about; friends they enjoy spending time with; a job in their local communities; a first language they enjoy speaking; a culture they are familiar with; and (unlike British humans) 35°C summers. The majority don't want to leave their country of birth, and for those that do, it is not a decision to be taken lightly. Several factors must be taken into account, including the risk of moving to a foreign country and not being able to get work.

If Ukip believe that people will drop all of their domestic commitments at the first chance of moving to a more affluent country, why are working class Ukip voters not flocking to Germany - where wages and benefits are higher, and unemployment and youth unemployment is much lower?

4. Britain loses money wasting benefits on scroungers cheating the system

With an average of 85 applicants chasing each job vacancy, Jobseekers Allowance is a necessity for people out of work who need to provide for themselves and their family. Whilst it is regularly assumed that the UK's benefits spending overwhelmingly goes to people on the dole, almost half (47%) is actually spent on state pensions, with JSA making up only 3% of the entire benefits bill. Of all the money spent on benefits in the UK, only 0.7% (£1.2billion) is lost to fraud. Yet that amount is eclipsed by the £1.3billion that is unclaimed or underpaid. Therefore, if benefits were only paid to the people who deserve them, the UK would be spending £100million more, annually.

Of course, if it weren't for free movement within the EU, Britain would see a sharp increase in the amount of people living on unemployment benefit. There are currently more unemployed UK citizens in Spain, than all the EU immigrants claiming benefits in the UK combined.

5. EU membership is a burden on the UK.

Less than 0.5% of UK government spending goes on our EU membership. As a result of membership the UK receives 52% of all its trade from the EU, worth more than £400billion a year, which is free from customs duties or tariffs. As EU citizens we have the freedom to travel, live, work, study, and retire anywhere in the union; we have also enjoyed the longest period of peace in Europe for two millennia; have set targets for sustainability thanks to EU green targets; and are protected by the European Arrest Warrant, which prevents European criminals evading arrest by entering the UK - and ensures that British criminals fleeing into Europe face justice. The EU is also currently working on closing tax loopholes to increase competition and recoup the billions of pounds lost through tax fraud and avoidance.

6. EU laws are forced on the British people.

The British people voted to join the EU in a 1975 referendum. The European Union is a democratic confederation of nations, in which individuals elect MEPs to represent them in The European Parliament. Britain is the third best-represented nation, with 73 MEPs.

To say that European law is 'forced' on the British people is like saying that government policies are 'forced' on the people of Manchester who voted for Labour in 2010. We live in a representative democracy, and whilst that guarantees that everyone gets a vote; it does not mean that everyone is going to be happy with the result. If you don't like a law that the EU has passed, perhaps it would be worth paying more attention to the European elections and voting for the MEPs and Europarties that will fight to represent your interests.

Incidentally, Ukip MEPs Nigel Farage, Godfrey Bloom and Paul Nuttall are among the bottom five lowest attendees at the European Parliament; despite being paid £60,000 a year, and claiming millions of pounds in expenses. A vote for a Ukip MEP is clearly not a vote for British representation in Europe.

7. International aid is unnecessary and needs to be cut completely

0.7% of the UK's gross national income is spent on the promotion of the economic development and welfare of developing countries, a target introduced by a 1970 UN resolution. In a world where over 1 billion people live on less than £1 a day, and the 85 richest people are as wealthy as the poorest 3.5 billion, international aid is far from unnecessary.

Remember: foreigners are humans too. Just because someone happened to be born on a different part of land from you doesn't mean their child's future doesn't matter. It doesn't mean that they don't love their families and want them to live in a situation that's fractionally better than the one they inherited. Moreover, if you don't want poor people flocking to the UK, perhaps spending a tiny percentage of the tax pot on improving conditions in less developed countries would help people have better prospects in their country of birth, so they wouldn't need to leave. Foreign aid also builds good international relations and therefore increases trade with the UK.

0% of UK foreign aid goes to "Bongo Bongo Land".

8. Climate change is a myth

Last year, there were 2258 peer-reviewed scientific journals written by 9136 authors that found that climate was changing and that humans were the main driver. Only one peer-reviewed author last year rejected this conclusion. 99.99% of published climate scientists agreed that humans are responsible for climate change.

If you're still having trouble understanding how human-driven climate change works, click here to see a piece by CBBC Newsround that will help explain it to you. Although Ukip want to ban the teaching of climate change in schools, the reality is that we live in a world with a changing climate, finite fossil fuels, and an ever-expanding population. If we don't act soon on climate change, and work towards a sustainable future, we are condemning future generations to lives of homelessness, toil, hunger and misery.

0% of climate scientists found a causal link between homosexual sex acts and flooding.

9. Ukip is a libertarian party

Libertarianism is the political perspective that individual freedom is the main driver for well-being, prosperity, and social harmony. However, Ukip seems to be at odds with this central premise. Geoffrey Clarke, a Ukip candidate, said that the NHS should introduce compulsory abortion for foetuses detected to have a disability. Ukip candidate Alexandra Swann argued that the unemployed shouldn't be allowed to vote. Ukip wanted to make it illegal for women to go outside if they chose to wear a burqa, and were opposed to allowing same-sex couples to get married. The party manifesto also pledges to double prison places, restrict the free movement of people within the EU and repeal the Human Rights Act - the very document that ensures unalienable liberty for all.

10. Political correctness is stifling free speech

There are certainly no laws restricting speech solely on the grounds of being 'non-PC'. Despite all the stories you've heard about brainstorms and rainbow sheep, political correctness is just a socially constructed guide to etiquette that helps point out when you might be accidentally offending or excluding someone for no good reason. Your inability to tell misogynist jokes down the pub without someone asking you to leave is not political correctness stifling your free speech. You are free to say what you want, but you must also be aware that others are free to challenge you if they feel you are saying something ignorant or incorrect. Please bear this in mind if you're thinking of commenting on this article.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 01 May 14 9.27pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

If you call those answers Nick I wouldn't want you on my pub quiz team.

Non answers, just egalitarian left wing idealism.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 May 14 9.34pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 01 May 2014 9.27pm

If you call those answers Nick I wouldn't want you on my pub quiz team.

Non answers, just egalitarian left wing idealism.


cobblers stirling you haven't even read it.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 01 May 14 9.41pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

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Quote Stirlingsays at 01 May 2014 9.27pm

If you call those answers Nick I wouldn't want you on my pub quiz team.

Non answers, just egalitarian left wing idealism.


cobblers stirling you haven't even read it.


Errr...Actually I read about half of it....All the points that I agree with Ukip on.

1, 2, 5, 6 is the important stuff....And the answers are about as effective as Nick Clegg's were.

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TUX Flag redhill 01 May 14 10.09pm Send a Private Message to TUX Add TUX as a friend

1. Immigrants are increasing NHS waiting times. "Britain is full".
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I read your post in full but your first line said it all for me bud....................'Britain is full'. And that really is the point and equally the only decent point you've made.
You choose to ignore the negative aspect that 'immigration' has on those already here, and equally the cost to our country for some reason? Why's that?


We have enough people and at this moment in time don't need anymore.
It's hardly 'noughts n crosses let alone rocket science'.



 

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xGeorgex Flag Oh South London 01 May 14 10.58pm Send a Private Message to xGeorgex Add xGeorgex as a friend

Just going to put it out there. I am a member of the UKIP and consider myself not to be homophobic or racist.

Reasons why:
1. Nigel Farage. He is great he only lives around the corner from me and I feel as though he has a lot of guts to stand up to the other 'big' parties. The man is also charismatic beyond belief which makes him a reflective figure head for the rest of Britain.

2. The narrow consensus between the top 3 parties is unbearable leaving the electorate with not a lot of choice. I would have be a labour supporter but I feel that UKIP represents my own ideologies better and therefore they will be getting my vote next year when I am 18.

3. Immigration is a mess and the £55m paid to EU membership is unreal considering we don't gain very much out of it. I also don't believe that they UK will not trade as well with other countries if we are not a part of the European Union. And as for immigration it is a matter of space not race. Too much of a strain on the NHS and other government funded social welfare systems.

Just like to add in I am currently studying A level Government and Politics.

 


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