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Spiderman Horsham 06 Dec 22 7.49pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Has zilch to do with the incident in Germany does it? Or the need to maintain an open mind until it is fully understood. Some people just want to blame everything on their favourite scapegoats. Mental health issues
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Horsham 06 Dec 22 7.49pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Has zilch to do with the incident in Germany does it? Or the need to maintain an open mind until it is fully understood.

Some people just want to blame everything on their favourite scapegoats.

Mental health issues

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Dec 22 8.26pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio the Fall of Rome....both West circa 470 and Byzantine in 1453....all from immigration of huge numbers of people who could not fully integrate. The loss of Christianity in the geography of Byzantium was what finished them. No matter they had the best defences & the highest walls at their imperial capital....all irrelevant. we are now at Migrant crisis 3.0 The UK's military might...tanks, planes, submarines....all irrelevant when you have lost the streets at home. Who cares about a faraway War when its not safe to walk through Croydon on a Saturday night ? The Migrant Crisis is only minutes from your doorstep. Edited by PalazioVecchio (06 Dec 2022 7.12pm) Comparing our situation with the Fall of Rome! I've heard everything now. We have a current problem with illegal immigration but come on. Most of the rest is to fill skill shortages. People who want to work and who are almost all very proud to be here. There is a lot of negativity and despair in these pages from people who welcomed Brexit as the dawn of a new golden age. People like me thought Brexit was a stupid mistake that would create unnecessary strains and divisions on us. So it has proved but at least I remain optimistic we can overcome the many problems we, and the world, face. Nothing good ever comes from being negative and spending your time moaning and groaning. You are not going to change what is, so best come to terms with it and then work hard to make the best of it. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 06 Dec 22 8.26pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the Fall of Rome....both West circa 470 and Byzantine in 1453....all from immigration of huge numbers of people who could not fully integrate.

The loss of Christianity in the geography of Byzantium was what finished them. No matter they had the best defences & the highest walls at their imperial capital....all irrelevant.

we are now at Migrant crisis 3.0

The UK's military might...tanks, planes, submarines....all irrelevant when you have lost the streets at home. Who cares about a faraway War when its not safe to walk through Croydon on a Saturday night ?

The Migrant Crisis is only minutes from your doorstep.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (06 Dec 2022 7.12pm)

Comparing our situation with the Fall of Rome! I've heard everything now.

We have a current problem with illegal immigration but come on. Most of the rest is to fill skill shortages. People who want to work and who are almost all very proud to be here.

There is a lot of negativity and despair in these pages from people who welcomed Brexit as the dawn of a new golden age.

People like me thought Brexit was a stupid mistake that would create unnecessary strains and divisions on us. So it has proved but at least I remain optimistic we can overcome the many problems we, and the world, face. Nothing good ever comes from being negative and spending your time moaning and groaning. You are not going to change what is, so best come to terms with it and then work hard to make the best of it.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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cryrst The garden of England 06 Dec 22 8.48pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Comparing our situation with the Fall of Rome! I've heard everything now. We have a current problem with illegal immigration but come on. Most of the rest is to fill skill shortages. People who want to work and who are almost all very proud to be here. There is a lot of negativity and despair in these pages from people who welcomed Brexit as the dawn of a new golden age. People like me thought Brexit was a stupid mistake that would create unnecessary strains and divisions on us. So it has proved but at least I remain optimistic we can overcome the many problems we, and the world, face. Nothing good ever comes from being negative and spending your time moaning and groaning. You are not going to change what is, so best come to terms with it and then work hard to make the best of it. I think you predicted a whole lot worse after brexit so glass houses and all that !!! As for coming to terms with certain situations and not moaning and groaning; I think it’s a bit rich from you ref the above.
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The garden of England 06 Dec 22 8.48pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Comparing our situation with the Fall of Rome! I've heard everything now.

We have a current problem with illegal immigration but come on. Most of the rest is to fill skill shortages. People who want to work and who are almost all very proud to be here.

There is a lot of negativity and despair in these pages from people who welcomed Brexit as the dawn of a new golden age.

I think you predicted a whole lot worse after brexit so glass houses and all that !!!
As for coming to terms with certain situations and not moaning and groaning; I think it’s a bit rich from you ref the above.

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Dec 22 9.38am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Comparing our situation with the Fall of Rome! I've heard everything now. We have a current problem with illegal immigration but come on. Most of the rest is to fill skill shortages. People who want to work and who are almost all very proud to be here. There is a lot of negativity and despair in these pages from people who welcomed Brexit as the dawn of a new golden age. People like me thought Brexit was a stupid mistake that would create unnecessary strains and divisions on us. So it has proved but at least I remain optimistic we can overcome the many problems we, and the world, face. Nothing good ever comes from being negative and spending your time moaning and groaning. You are not going to change what is, so best come to terms with it and then work hard to make the best of it. This is a comparison made on numerous occasions on here and elsewhere and a perfectly legitimate one, if you know anything about history. You seem to know very little. And moaning usually results when outcomes that were entirely predictable come to pass because of the stupidity of people like you.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Comparing our situation with the Fall of Rome! I've heard everything now.

We have a current problem with illegal immigration but come on. Most of the rest is to fill skill shortages. People who want to work and who are almost all very proud to be here.

There is a lot of negativity and despair in these pages from people who welcomed Brexit as the dawn of a new golden age.

This is a comparison made on numerous occasions on here and elsewhere and a perfectly legitimate one, if you know anything about history.

You seem to know very little.

And moaning usually results when outcomes that were entirely predictable come to pass because of the stupidity of people like you.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Dec 22 10.15am
Originally posted by cryrst I think you predicted a whole lot worse after brexit so glass houses and all that !!! As for coming to terms with certain situations and not moaning and groaning; I think it’s a bit rich from you ref the above. The impact of Brexit has been obscured by the additional impacts of the pandemic and the war. These have become so intertwined that allocating the proportionate contributions looks pretty nigh impossible. The Brexiteers can blame everything we are seeing on the pandemic and the war, point at the EU suffering too and suggest a Brexit bounce has just been postponed. Others look at the lack of trade deals, the complicated bureaucracy, increasing costs of, and decline in, our EU exports and say the impact is clearly negative and unlikely to get better. We are where we are. We can though make it better. The most obvious way being to renegotiate the trading arrangements with the EU and to stop being ideological and start being pragmatic. If "having control ourselves" simply means we are pointing our ship at an iceberg wouldn't it be better to let a pilot on board who knows how to navigate the tricky waters, surrounded by other ships ready to assist if we get into difficulties. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 07 Dec 22 10.15am

Originally posted by cryrst

The impact of Brexit has been obscured by the additional impacts of the pandemic and the war. These have become so intertwined that allocating the proportionate contributions looks pretty nigh impossible. The Brexiteers can blame everything we are seeing on the pandemic and the war, point at the EU suffering too and suggest a Brexit bounce has just been postponed.

Others look at the lack of trade deals, the complicated bureaucracy, increasing costs of, and decline in, our EU exports and say the impact is clearly negative and unlikely to get better.

We are where we are. We can though make it better. The most obvious way being to renegotiate the trading arrangements with the EU and to stop being ideological and start being pragmatic.

If "having control ourselves" simply means we are pointing our ship at an iceberg wouldn't it be better to let a pilot on board who knows how to navigate the tricky waters, surrounded by other ships ready to assist if we get into difficulties.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Dec 22 10.23am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger This is a comparison made on numerous occasions on here and elsewhere and a perfectly legitimate one, if you know anything about history. You seem to know very little. And moaning usually results when outcomes that were entirely predictable come to pass because of the stupidity of people like you. It's not the least legitimate. It's totally ridiculous. The situations are completely different. The Roman empire collapsed for a variety of reasons. Some involved external threats. Some the way they treated migrants they had invited in because of the external threats, this causing stresses inside and out. There were economic problems too. We can, and will, overcome the current problems. There is no need for pessimism during tough times. British fortitude and determination is what's needed. Not hand wrenching. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 07 Dec 22 10.23am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This is a comparison made on numerous occasions on here and elsewhere and a perfectly legitimate one, if you know anything about history.

You seem to know very little.

And moaning usually results when outcomes that were entirely predictable come to pass because of the stupidity of people like you.

It's not the least legitimate. It's totally ridiculous. The situations are completely different. The Roman empire collapsed for a variety of reasons. Some involved external threats. Some the way they treated migrants they had invited in because of the external threats, this causing stresses inside and out. There were economic problems too.

We can, and will, overcome the current problems. There is no need for pessimism during tough times. British fortitude and determination is what's needed. Not hand wrenching.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Dec 22 11.53am
Over 1000 people didn't know where they came from. And I was born yesterday. Total horse poo. [Link] Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Dec 22 11.53am

Over 1000 people didn't know where they came from. And I was born yesterday. Total horse poo.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 07 Dec 22 11.56am
Originally posted by ASCPFC Over 1000 people didn't know where they came from. And I was born yesterday. Total horse poo. [Link] I think that journalist should be seriously considering a return to Palace as opposed to concerning himself with Irish immigration, Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 07 Dec 22 11.56am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Over 1000 people didn't know where they came from. And I was born yesterday. Total horse poo.

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I think that journalist should be seriously considering a return to Palace as opposed to concerning himself with Irish immigration,

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Dec 22 12.40pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 I think that journalist should be seriously considering a return to Palace as opposed to concerning himself with Irish immigration, He's obviously got plenty of time to write as he's doing nothing in the England camp. Boot polishing probably getting tedious. Good observation there. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Dec 22 12.40pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I think that journalist should be seriously considering a return to Palace as opposed to concerning himself with Irish immigration,

He's obviously got plenty of time to write as he's doing nothing in the England camp. Boot polishing probably getting tedious. Good observation there.

Red and Blue Army!

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 07 Dec 22 12.48pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC He's obviously got plenty of time to write as he's doing nothing in the England camp. Boot polishing probably getting tedious. Good observation there. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 07 Dec 22 12.48pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

He's obviously got plenty of time to write as he's doing nothing in the England camp. Boot polishing probably getting tedious. Good observation there.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Dec 22 12.58pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Over 1000 people didn't know where they came from. And I was born yesterday. Total horse poo. [Link] This baffles me! Surely CCTV will reveal which flight they arrived on, so the simple answer ought to be to hand them back to the airline that accepted them for a return to the country of their departure. If they destroyed their passport on arrival, tough. They can be jailed in that country for attempting to travel without documentation and told that they need to contact their Embassy when their memory returns. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 07 Dec 22 12.58pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Over 1000 people didn't know where they came from. And I was born yesterday. Total horse poo.

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This baffles me! Surely CCTV will reveal which flight they arrived on, so the simple answer ought to be to hand them back to the airline that accepted them for a return to the country of their departure. If they destroyed their passport on arrival, tough. They can be jailed in that country for attempting to travel without documentation and told that they need to contact their Embassy when their memory returns.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Dec 22 1.01pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle This baffles me! Surely CCTV will reveal which flight they arrived on, so the simple answer ought to be to hand them back to the airline that accepted them for a return to the country of their departure. If they destroyed their passport on arrival, tough. They can be jailed in that country for attempting to travel without documentation and told that they need to contact their Embassy when their memory returns. It's just the way it is. Probably a lot that are due to be kicked out of the UK. Some others that are obviously trying to get to the UK through our back door too. All of the Western Countries have this problem. I agree with how it should be dealt with - but it isn't. We seem to collectively lack the will - or at least the legal will. The same situation in the UK, with far higher numbers, of course. Edited by ASCPFC (07 Dec 2022 1.02pm) Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Dec 22 1.01pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's just the way it is. Probably a lot that are due to be kicked out of the UK. Some others that are obviously trying to get to the UK through our back door too.
All of the Western Countries have this problem. I agree with how it should be dealt with - but it isn't. We seem to collectively lack the will - or at least the legal will.
The same situation in the UK, with far higher numbers, of course.

Edited by ASCPFC (07 Dec 2022 1.02pm)

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