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Teddy Eagle 03 Dec 22 9.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's fair enough. My mistake. It may well have been a set up and, if so, deserves condemnation. That though is a separate issue. This issue is what was actually said and not if the saying was induced. The transcript has not been challenged by anyone, and is, so far as I can recall, accurate. Remember, I have heard the conversation and the tone employed, which cannot be found in the written word. Future generations will view history with different eyes to our own. They always do. We wonder why slavery was considered acceptable, or women denied the vote. This will be no different. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (03 Dec 2022 7.24pm) They may consider history differently and I hope they consider how people in this country were serfs and peasants. Slavery has many forms and the form in place for our ancestors was there for many hundreds of years.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Dec 22 10.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
They may consider history differently and I hope they consider how people in this country were serfs and peasants. Slavery has many forms and the form in place for our ancestors was there for many hundreds of years. Your first paragraph cannot be argued with. Hopefully we have learned and continue to do so. The second is very dubious indeed. The link is less than convincing and some of the claims made have nothing to do with slavery, and are presented without any evidence. It all depends on what you regard as slavery, which for me is a compulsion to do work imposed by one person on another without reward or willing agreement. That said I know it exists. 20 years ago I helped someone escape from slavery in the Lebanon. It's a long story but they had gone there willingly, via an agency, to work as a domestic worker. They had their passport confiscated, received no pay, were expected to work from 4 am to midnight, slept on the kitchen floor, were not allowed to leave the premises and were sexually abused by the men in the house. When she did run away, when out shopping with her employer, she approached a policeman for help. He took them to the police station, where she was raped and then returned to her employer. It's a nasty world out there. Through a friend of hers I managed to get her embassy to find her, remove her and return her.
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Teddy Eagle 03 Dec 22 10.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Your first paragraph cannot be argued with. Hopefully we have learned and continue to do so. The second is very dubious indeed. The link is less than convincing and some of the claims made have nothing to do with slavery, and are presented without any evidence. It all depends on what you regard as slavery, which for me is a compulsion to do work imposed by one person on another without reward or willing agreement. That said I know it exists. 20 years ago I helped someone escape from slavery in the Lebanon. It's a long story but they had gone there willingly, via an agency, to work as a domestic worker. They had their passport confiscated, received no pay, were expected to work from 4 am to midnight, slept on the kitchen floor, were not allowed to leave the premises and were sexually abused by the men in the house. When she did run away, when out shopping with her employer, she approached a policeman for help. He took them to the police station, where she was raped and then returned to her employer. It's a nasty world out there. Through a friend of hers I managed to get her embassy to find her, remove her and return her. Serfdom wasn't slavery? How so? Where are the advocates for our reparations?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Dec 22 11.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Serfdom wasn't slavery? How so? Where are the advocates for our reparations? I said I agreed with your first paragraph! Many of those whose distant relatives may have been landowners, with serfs and peasants on their land, which could include both of us, might say the current level of taxation is sufficient reparation! As most of us, given the tangled web of ancestry, could trace our bloodlines to almost every human who ever walked the earth, if the resources existed to do it, none of us escape if you want to look back that far. That fact, by the way, also makes a mockery of the "white race" claims that routinely surface in these pages. Not from you I hasten to add!
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 03 Dec 22 11.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No, I saw it. I remember the tone of voice and the aggression. If you have seen the video of her talking to Camilla it seems likely it was taken on the same phone. It's where it was posted that I cannot recall and it seems to have been culled. You didn't see a video of the incident as one has never existed. If it had, it would have been posted, repeatedly, by black activists and anti-royalists. There is absolutely no way that you were the only person on the planet to see it. You have been caught lying, and like Trump, you have doubled down. Embarrassing.
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footythoughts Beckenham 04 Dec 22 12.00am | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
You didn't see a video of the incident as one has never existed. If it had, it would have been posted, repeatedly, by black activists and anti-royalists. There is absolutely no way that you were the only person on the planet to see it. You have been caught lying, and like Trump, you have doubled down. Embarrassing. There have been a couple of re-enactment audio and video pieces. In my view he's seen one of those without realising and assumed it's real. So lying is pushing it, as I'm sure he believes what he's said, but at the same time logically it makes very little sense and so I would agree that the audio doesn't exist, and he should consider that perspective going forward. Edited by footythoughts (04 Dec 2022 12.08am)
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 04 Dec 22 12.08am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Which confirms what I heard myself and isn't challenged by anyone else who heard it. So it ought to be regarded by everyone as correct and not doubted just because it doesn't suit a particular agenda. Neither you nor anyone else heard it. That is the reason nobody else has challenged it. How can anyone just accept as true one person's account of a conversation? Remember Carl Beech? That was regarded as correct too because it suited a particular agenda. That ended well.
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footythoughts Beckenham 04 Dec 22 12.10am | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Neither you nor anyone else heard it. That is the reason nobody else has challenged it. How can anyone just accept as true one person's account of a conversation? Remember Carl Beech? That was regarded as correct too because it suited a particular agenda. That ended well. I'm sure he thinks he did, but rationally he very, VERY likely didn't. That appears to be a fair assessment.
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 04 Dec 22 12.15am | |
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Originally posted by footythoughts
There have been a couple of re-enactment audio and video pieces. In my view he's seen one of those without realising and assumed it's real. So lying is pushing it, as I'm sure he believes what he's said, but at the same time logically it makes very little sense and so I would agree that the audio doesn't exist, and he should consider that perspective going forward. Edited by footythoughts (04 Dec 2022 12.08am) Well, possibly. But he has had time to note that what he "saw" was not actually the two people involved in the real exchange, so ought to admit it. And if it was just audio, then he lied, as he said it was video.
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footythoughts Beckenham 04 Dec 22 12.22am | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Well, possibly. But he has had time to note that what he "saw" was not actually the two people involved in the real exchange, so ought to admit it. And if it was just audio, then he lied, as he said it was video. Age might be a factor. There might be aspects of both 'my way or the highway' and misremembering, and that's probably a fair summation. I've seen a couple of physical threat and 'fronting up' type posts made to this elderly individual, so lean against belittlement in my reply. There is certainly a point to what you say though.
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Badger11 Beckenham 04 Dec 22 7.47am | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Neither you nor anyone else heard it. That is the reason nobody else has challenged it. How can anyone just accept as true one person's account of a conversation? Remember Carl Beech? That was regarded as correct too because it suited a particular agenda. That ended well. According to Peter Hitchens in the Mail today there is no recording as he has checked. And before anyone says oh it's the Mail if you read his column he does not agree with what the lady In Waiting said if she actually said it. His point is about being found guilty with no evidence. So unless someone can come up with a recording that the media is currently unaware of ....
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HKOwen Hong Kong 04 Dec 22 7.57am | |
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I am a direct descendent of Edward III so I am screwed if serf reparations become a thing.
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