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 Matov  08 Feb 23 6.32am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Quite. And what Singapore billionaire cares if the UK is flooded with migrants who will work for less than the natives?
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 georgenorman 08 Feb 23 7.48am |
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Originally posted by Matov
Quite. And what Singapore billionaire cares if the UK is flooded with migrants who will work for less than the natives? Ah, but Steeleye will think that is beneficial and 'enriching'.
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| Glazier#1 08 Feb 23 8.15am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Ok so if all 35 kids were ‘good’ kids who didn’t play up but wanted to learn and had respect are you saying a decent teacher couldn’t teach them? Edited by cryrst (08 Feb 2023 6.01am) I'm a teacher
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| Matov 08 Feb 23 8.18am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Ah, but Steeleye will think that is beneficial and 'enriching'.
But what I object to is the playing of the national interest card when it suits. Should water companies get away with spewing sewage into the sea? Then of course not, no matter who owns them. But a sovereign nation should be able to deal with people who illegally wash up on its shores in the way it sees fit and not be subjected to the whims of a foreign court in deciding that. This is the point. A 'sovereign' nation. And why so many intelligent Leftwingers were pro-Brexit. They saw that if they wanted to improve the lot of British people then that should be decided upon solely by the British Government. The modern/progressive Left cannot have it both ways.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Feb 23 9.07am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Ok so if all 35 kids were ‘good’ kids who didn’t play up but wanted to learn and had respect are you saying a decent teacher couldn’t teach them? Edited by cryrst (08 Feb 2023 6.01am) The larger the class the larger the workload, class prep/differentiation and marking for example, however in principle yes, we all know that better behaved pupils make the whole process easier. Obviously teachers leave the profession for different reasons, but workload/stress is probably the most common reason. Behaviour does, of course, factor in, especially the more rough the school is. However bad behaviour at a school usually aligns with poor management at a school and that kind of management also factors into why many might leave. When I was teaching I think the figures were that 3 out of 5 going into the profession leave within five years. I don't know what it is now. Teaching has a sink or swim attitude to intakes, mainly because there are always a stream of new teachers....well, unless it's Maths or computing. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2023 9.14am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 08 Feb 23 9.22am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The larger the class the larger the workload, class prep/differentiation and marking for example, however in principle yes, we all know that better behaved pupils make the whole process easier. Obviously teachers leave the profession for different reasons, but workload/stress is probably the most common reason. Behaviour does, of course, factor in, especially the more rough the school is. However bad behaviour at a school usually aligns with poor management at a school and that kind of management also factors into why many might leave. Teaching has a sink or swim attitude to intakes, mainly because there are always a stream of new teachers....well, unless it's Maths or computing. mall]Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2023 9.14am) A friend is a social anthropologist and published writer. She spent a year in a school in Bermondsey and wrote a book about it. She was mainly focusing on why white working class kids do so badly. In the book it is quite clear that the only person holding the school together is the Deputy Head so when she goes on long term sick leave the whole place falls apart as the Head is useless and none of the other teachers want to step up. As soon as the DH came back things settled down again.
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cryrst  The garden of England 08 Feb 23 9.56am |
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Originally posted by Glazier#1
I'm a teacher So how do you deal with oiks then ?
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| cryrst The garden of England 08 Feb 23 9.58am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The larger the class the larger the workload, class prep/differentiation and marking for example, however in principle yes, we all know that better behaved pupils make the whole process easier. Obviously teachers leave the profession for different reasons, but workload/stress is probably the most common reason. Behaviour does, of course, factor in, especially the more rough the school is. However bad behaviour at a school usually aligns with poor management at a school and that kind of management also factors into why many might leave. When I was teaching I think the figures were that 3 out of 5 going into the profession leave within five years. I don't know what it is now. Teaching has a sink or swim attitude to intakes, mainly because there are always a stream of new teachers....well, unless it's Maths or computing. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2023 9.14am) It could also be poor teachers ?
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| Glazier#1 08 Feb 23 1.05pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So how do you deal with oiks then ? It depends on the student. Firstly - "Oiks" It is useful to focus on the behaviour rather than the pupil.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 08 Feb 23 2.53pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
A friend is a social anthropologist and published writer. She spent a year in a school in Bermondsey and wrote a book about it. She was mainly focusing on why white working class kids do so badly. In the book it is quite clear that the only person holding the school together is the Deputy Head so when she goes on long term sick leave the whole place falls apart as the Head is useless and none of the other teachers want to step up. As soon as the DH came back things settled down again. Obviously, just one school but still interesting. I'm on leave from teaching after 15 years. With the COVID measures now added forever, the money for the stress and workload nowhere near worth it. Plus, the never ending political decrees from on high - I don't recommend it to anyone. I've always liked the classroom and well been able to handle it but I'm reaching the point of no return.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Feb 23 3.22pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
It could also be poor teachers ? Poor pupil behaviour or why teachers leave? Sure, if you're teaching a low set behaviour management is a skill set that comes down to personality rather than something that can be easily learnt. You quickly find out in teaching whether you are cut out for it or not. You aren't going to get criticism from me about your opinion on bad bahaviour at schools. I agree, it's a significant problem that isn't properly addressed in many circles. Some teachers' attitudes make the job harder for others and of course poor management can make the school feral. I'd imagine, back in the day, it was easier because of a more socially conservative culture and the threat of the caine.....I know that if my old man had found out I'd got the caine I would have probably got the belt when I got home. If you mean teachers leaving I should think poor teachers would be incentivized to stay in teaching for as long as possible as if you can stick it out it's a pretty reliable job and if you get a cushy number it's quite socially rewarding. While I agree with your focus on behaviour, in my view the deeper truth is that most teachers leave teaching for the same reason many leave many jobs. The level of stress/workload isn't worth the level of pay....Especially, in the case of teaching, which is a job that traditionally requires a degree just to start it....two degrees if you count a PGCE as one.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 08 Feb 23 4.38pm |
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It seems the Tories aren't the only dodgy politicians
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