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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 21 Dec 19 6.31pm
Originally posted by Willo The only way we will be to able to strengthen our forward options to a significant degree is if Zaha departs.Other than that 'Loan' signings, free transfers or forwards who are relatively cheap for a good reason. Agreed Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 21 Dec 19 6.31pm

Originally posted by Willo

The only way we will be to able to strengthen our forward options to a significant degree is if Zaha departs.Other than that 'Loan' signings, free transfers or forwards who are relatively cheap for a good reason.

Agreed

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 21 Dec 19 6.32pm
Originally posted by askyourself Just back from a good stream ..... Sad about the marking for their goal but I was really happy with the performance especially given the injury situation. Their keeper made some great stops after we worked some clever openings. Even Tekkers seems to be increasing his contribution. I would have been reluctant to make substitutions as we were dominating for long periods. So for me, my cup is half-full. Despite the result I think the team played well and Roy managed to field a team that was worth at least a draw. Many on here are never going to be happy with anything Roy does .... my opinion ... they are welcome to theirs of course. Someone with a brain. And eyes. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 21 Dec 19 6.32pm

Originally posted by askyourself

Just back from a good stream .....
Sad about the marking for their goal but I was really happy with the performance especially given the injury situation. Their keeper made some great stops after we worked some clever openings. Even Tekkers seems to be increasing his contribution.
I would have been reluctant to make substitutions as we were dominating for long periods.
So for me, my cup is half-full. Despite the result I think the team played well and Roy managed to field a team that was worth at least a draw.

Many on here are never going to be happy with anything Roy does .... my opinion ... they are welcome to theirs of course.

Someone with a brain. And eyes.

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Brinscall Eagle Brinscall Lancashire/ Villamartin ... 21 Dec 19 6.34pm
Originally posted by askyourself Just back from a good stream ..... Sad about the marking for their goal but I was really happy with the performance especially given the injury situation. Their keeper made some great stops after we worked some clever openings. Even Tekkers seems to be increasing his contribution. I would have been reluctant to make substitutions as we were dominating for long periods. So for me, my cup is half-full. Despite the result I think the team played well and Roy managed to field a team that was worth at least a draw. Many on here are never going to be happy with anything Roy does .... my opinion ... they are welcome to theirs of course. Could not agree more we played more than well enough to deserve a point.
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Brinscall Lancashire/ Villamartin ... 21 Dec 19 6.34pm

Originally posted by askyourself

Many on here are never going to be happy with anything Roy does .... my opinion ... they are welcome to theirs of course.

Could not agree more we played more than well enough to deserve a point.

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Rachid Rachid Rachid 21 Dec 19 6.36pm
Originally posted by grumpymort All those managers excluding Frank you listed had a better record at Palace then Roy currently has. yes the striking options are limited but whats the point have a type of striker and not using them to their strengths this is what Roy is doing with Benteke plus he is not even interested in giving Connor any game time. Looking at it Pardew and Roy are just the same only thing different is one is focused on attack the other defense Edited by grumpymort (21 Dec 2019 6.25pm) I can’t be arsed to check the managerial records. The football under Pardew and Allardyce in 2016/17 was diabolical. The worst since we’ve been back in the Prem. Benteke doesn’t possess any strengths on the basis of the last two years. He and Wickham (unfortunate as he has been) are part / cause of the problem.
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Originally posted by grumpymort

All those managers excluding Frank you listed had a better record at Palace then Roy currently has.

yes the striking options are limited but whats the point have a type of striker and not using them to their strengths this is what Roy is doing with Benteke plus he is not even interested in giving Connor any game time.

Looking at it Pardew and Roy are just the same only thing different is one is focused on attack the other defense

Edited by grumpymort (21 Dec 2019 6.25pm)

I can’t be arsed to check the managerial records. The football under Pardew and Allardyce in 2016/17 was diabolical. The worst since we’ve been back in the Prem.

Benteke doesn’t possess any strengths on the basis of the last two years. He and Wickham (unfortunate as he has been) are part / cause of the problem.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 21 Dec 19 6.49pm
Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid I’ve not seen the game but don’t understand the 20/20 hindsight and clamour for subs when, by all accounts, we were on top and creating chances after soaking up Newcastle’s inevitable first half pressure. First ten minutes at best, then the rest of the half was 50/50 exactly. As the second half wore on we increased the pressure with some of our players even being as bold as to do some flicks and twists ..Santa Claus had it well and truly wrapped up with red and blue tape, string and ribbons with huge red and blue flashing bells.... We made one defensive mistake today.
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Cornwall 21 Dec 19 6.49pm

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

I’ve not seen the game but don’t understand the 20/20 hindsight and clamour for subs when, by all accounts, we were on top and creating chances after soaking up Newcastle’s inevitable first half pressure.

First ten minutes at best, then the rest of the half was 50/50 exactly.
As the second half wore on we increased the pressure with some of our players even being as bold as to do some flicks and twists ..Santa Claus had it well and truly wrapped up with red and blue tape, string and ribbons with huge red and blue flashing bells....

We made one defensive mistake today.

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Uphill Bedford 21 Dec 19 6.49pm
Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid I can’t be arsed to check the managerial records. The football under Pardew and Allardyce in 2016/17 was diabolical. The worst since we’ve been back in the Prem. Benteke doesn’t possess any strengths on the basis of the last two years. He and Wickham (unfortunate as he has been) are part / cause of the problem. They are not part of the problem! Injuries are not the problem either(mainly in defence but we are doing pretty well there) The problem is the midfield, The captain and Kouyate are destroyers, not creators - they can't hold or pass the ball. Benteke/Wickham/Ayew WILL score if we use the skilful men we have: McCarthy and Meyer (can't speak of Camarasa although he is allegedly a creative player) Sadly the manager has only one method: stop the opposition from scoring - fine as far as it goes but then look at the 'goals for' column to see the pausity of that method Man and boy Palace since my first game in 1948 sitting on my dad's shoulders
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Bedford 21 Dec 19 6.49pm

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

I can’t be arsed to check the managerial records. The football under Pardew and Allardyce in 2016/17 was diabolical. The worst since we’ve been back in the Prem.

Benteke doesn’t possess any strengths on the basis of the last two years. He and Wickham (unfortunate as he has been) are part / cause of the problem.

They are not part of the problem!
Injuries are not the problem either(mainly in defence but we are doing pretty well there)
The problem is the midfield, The captain and Kouyate are destroyers, not creators - they can't hold or pass the ball.
Benteke/Wickham/Ayew WILL score if we use the skilful men we have: McCarthy and Meyer (can't speak of Camarasa although he is allegedly a creative player)
Sadly the manager has only one method: stop the opposition from scoring - fine as far as it goes but then look at the 'goals for' column to see the pausity of that method

Man and boy Palace since my first game in 1948 sitting on my dad's shoulders

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Rachid Rachid Rachid 21 Dec 19 7.00pm
Originally posted by Uphill They are not part of the problem! Injuries are not the problem either(mainly in defence but we are doing pretty well there) The problem is the midfield, The captain and Kouyate are destroyers, not creators - they can't hold or pass the ball. Benteke/Wickham/Ayew WILL score if we use the skilful men we have: McCarthy and Meyer (can't speak of Camarasa although he is allegedly a creative player) Sadly the manager has only one method: stop the opposition from scoring - fine as far as it goes but then look at the 'goals for' column to see the pausity of that method Their movement is shocking as demonstrated when they played together in the league cup. Benteke is like a pole and has lost the ability to hold the ball up. We played a very different brand of football when we had Cabaye and RLC. Meyer has only looked any good as an impact sub when the opposition is tiring
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Rachid Rachid Rachid

21 Dec 19 7.00pm

Originally posted by Uphill

Their movement is shocking as demonstrated when they played together in the league cup. Benteke is like a pole and has lost the ability to hold the ball up.

We played a very different brand of football when we had Cabaye and RLC.

Meyer has only looked any good as an impact sub when the opposition is tiring

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grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 21 Dec 19 7.02pm
Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid I can’t be arsed to check the managerial records. The football under Pardew and Allardyce in 2016/17 was diabolical. The worst since we’ve been back in the Prem. Benteke doesn’t possess any strengths on the basis of the last two years. He and Wickham (unfortunate as he has been) are part / cause of the problem. Big Sam did a great job when he was with us with what he had to work with and used Benteke correctly which got him scoring again also he was the one that managed to get the Americans to spend money on a few players which he selected himself like PVA, Luka, Sakho loan could be a few more I forgot. Had he gotten proper backing would of stayed at the club and pushed us on. Benteke appeared to do fine for Belgium the other day the guy is not even being used correctly as I said before at times today he was playing on the wing. Regarding Wickham we dont know because he hasn't been used to see what he is about the same with so many others not getting chances. Max again not given proper chance this guy was game changer for us last game yet he gets 5min only. Heres to records comparing the two i said about Pardew - W(35) D(13) L(39) Ratio(40.2) Hodgson - W(37) D(24) L(40) Ratio(36.6) Edited by grumpymort (21 Dec 2019 7.03pm) (VPN) - [Link] (Alt VPN) - [Link]
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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

I can’t be arsed to check the managerial records. The football under Pardew and Allardyce in 2016/17 was diabolical. The worst since we’ve been back in the Prem.

Benteke doesn’t possess any strengths on the basis of the last two years. He and Wickham (unfortunate as he has been) are part / cause of the problem.

Big Sam did a great job when he was with us with what he had to work with and used Benteke correctly which got him scoring again also he was the one that managed to get the Americans to spend money on a few players which he selected himself like PVA, Luka, Sakho loan could be a few more I forgot.

Had he gotten proper backing would of stayed at the club and pushed us on.

Benteke appeared to do fine for Belgium the other day the guy is not even being used correctly as I said before at times today he was playing on the wing.

Regarding Wickham we dont know because he hasn't been used to see what he is about the same with so many others not getting chances.

Max again not given proper chance this guy was game changer for us last game yet he gets 5min only.

Heres to records comparing the two i said about

Pardew - W(35) D(13) L(39) Ratio(40.2)
Hodgson - W(37) D(24) L(40) Ratio(36.6)

Edited by grumpymort (21 Dec 2019 7.03pm)

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Tickled pink Cornwall 21 Dec 19 7.07pm
Originally posted by grumpymort All those managers excluding Frank you listed had a better record at Palace then Roy currently has. yes the striking options are limited but whats the point have a type of striker and not using them to their strengths this is what Roy is doing with Benteke plus he is not even interested in giving Connor any game time. Looking at it Pardew and Roy are just the same only thing different is one is focused on attack the other defense Edited by grumpymort (21 Dec 2019 6.25pm) No, Pardew had one agenda and that was to outscore the opponents, he then let Murray leave. When Benteke misses an opportunity which he has many it is not because of Hodgson sitting on the sidelines, Benteke if you'd bothered to look scores both on the ground running with the ball and with running onto it ..as much as he used to score with his head, he is a fully rounded striker or was, today and against Brighton he does appear to be improving, Hodgson is clearly millions of miles better then anyone we have ever had as manager at this club and we are incredibly fortunate ..placing and results in this extremely tough league back me up and he does this with a relatively thin squad.
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Cornwall 21 Dec 19 7.07pm

Originally posted by grumpymort

All those managers excluding Frank you listed had a better record at Palace then Roy currently has.

yes the striking options are limited but whats the point have a type of striker and not using them to their strengths this is what Roy is doing with Benteke plus he is not even interested in giving Connor any game time.

Looking at it Pardew and Roy are just the same only thing different is one is focused on attack the other defense

Edited by grumpymort (21 Dec 2019 6.25pm)

No, Pardew had one agenda and that was to outscore the opponents, he then let Murray leave.
When Benteke misses an opportunity which he has many it is not because of Hodgson sitting on the sidelines, Benteke if you'd bothered to look scores both on the ground running with the ball and with running onto it ..as much as he used to score with his head, he is a fully rounded striker or was, today and against Brighton he does appear to be improving, Hodgson is clearly millions of miles better then anyone we have ever had as manager at this club and we are incredibly fortunate ..placing and results in this extremely tough league back me up and he does this with a relatively thin squad.

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Booted Eagle Bristol 21 Dec 19 7.08pm
Can't be doing that bad compared to last season, 18 points last year, 23 this. (As an aside 3 of the bottom 4 were relegated last season at this time). AWB and Bats were late factors last season though. Imperative that we do all we can to strengthen this winter transfer with at least one quality player. Edited by Booted Eagle (21 Dec 2019 7.21pm) “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Bristol 21 Dec 19 7.08pm

Can't be doing that bad compared to last season, 18 points last year, 23 this. (As an aside 3 of the bottom 4 were relegated last season at this time). AWB and Bats were late factors last season though. Imperative that we do all we can to strengthen this winter transfer with at least one quality player.

Edited by Booted Eagle (21 Dec 2019 7.21pm)

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
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Rachid Rachid Rachid 21 Dec 19 7.11pm
Originally posted by grumpymort Big Sam did a great job when he was with us with what he had to work with and used Benteke correctly which got him scoring again also he was the one that managed to get the Americans to spend money on a few players which he selected himself like PVA, Luka, Sakho loan could be a few more I forgot. Had he gotten proper backing would of stayed at the club and pushed us on. Benteke appeared to do fine for Belgium the other day the guy is not even being used correctly as I said before at times today he was playing on the wing. Regarding Wickham we dont know because he hasn't been used to see what he is about the same with so many others not getting chances. Max again not given proper chance this guy was game changer for us last game yet he gets 5min only. Heres to records comparing the two i said about Pardew - W(35) D(13) L(39) Ratio(40.2) Hodgson - W(37) D(24) L(40) Ratio(36.6) Edited by grumpymort (21 Dec 2019 7.03pm) Not much difference then apart from the fact that Pardew and Allardyce spent a sh!t ton of money and we still nearly got relegated. As you say. Allardyce left because he didn't get backed. Roy has been backed less.
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Rachid Rachid Rachid

21 Dec 19 7.11pm

Originally posted by grumpymort

Had he gotten proper backing would of stayed at the club and pushed us on.

Benteke appeared to do fine for Belgium the other day the guy is not even being used correctly as I said before at times today he was playing on the wing.

Regarding Wickham we dont know because he hasn't been used to see what he is about the same with so many others not getting chances.

Max again not given proper chance this guy was game changer for us last game yet he gets 5min only.

Heres to records comparing the two i said about

Pardew - W(35) D(13) L(39) Ratio(40.2)
Hodgson - W(37) D(24) L(40) Ratio(36.6)

Edited by grumpymort (21 Dec 2019 7.03pm)

Not much difference then apart from the fact that Pardew and Allardyce spent a sh!t ton of money and we still nearly got relegated.

As you say. Allardyce left because he didn't get backed. Roy has been backed less.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 21 Dec 19 7.22pm
Originally posted by grumpymort Big Sam did a great job when he was with us with what he had to work with and used Benteke correctly which got him scoring again also he was the one that managed to get the Americans to spend money on a few players which he selected himself like PVA, Luka, Sakho loan could be a few more I forgot. Had he gotten proper backing would of stayed at the club and pushed us on. Benteke appeared to do fine for Belgium the other day the guy is not even being used correctly as I said before at times today he was playing on the wing. Regarding Wickham we dont know because he hasn't been used to see what he is about the same with so many others not getting chances. Max again not given proper chance this guy was game changer for us last game yet he gets 5min only. Heres to records comparing the two i said about Pardew - W(35) D(13) L(39) Ratio(40.2) Hodgson - W(37) D(24) L(40) Ratio(36.6) Edited by grumpymort (21 Dec 2019 7.03pm) We would've been relegated with Pardew because defensively he had not a clue when the goalscoring dried up which is exactly what happened, with Hodgson that's never going to happen is it, as an attacking force we have struggled with players form and injuries, do not forget Benteke was injured a while ago and struggled on for well too long before having his opp, players sometimes take a very long time if ever to recover.
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Cornwall 21 Dec 19 7.22pm

Originally posted by grumpymort

Had he gotten proper backing would of stayed at the club and pushed us on.

Benteke appeared to do fine for Belgium the other day the guy is not even being used correctly as I said before at times today he was playing on the wing.

Regarding Wickham we dont know because he hasn't been used to see what he is about the same with so many others not getting chances.

Max again not given proper chance this guy was game changer for us last game yet he gets 5min only.

Heres to records comparing the two i said about

Pardew - W(35) D(13) L(39) Ratio(40.2)
Hodgson - W(37) D(24) L(40) Ratio(36.6)

Edited by grumpymort (21 Dec 2019 7.03pm)

We would've been relegated with Pardew because defensively he had not a clue when the goalscoring dried up which is exactly what happened, with Hodgson that's never going to happen is it, as an attacking force we have struggled with players form and injuries, do not forget Benteke was injured a while ago and struggled on for well too long before having his opp, players sometimes take a very long time if ever to recover.

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